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On January 26 2013 01:46 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote:On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote:On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days.
While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game.
As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia. Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity. Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment. His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way. His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here. And "I'm not sure he's aware to do all these scummy things" isn't a good defence for anybody. The fact is, those were his votes. He voted for the mafia in the running for Sheriff quite late in the day. This is very suspicious.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that, to me, Axle seems to be acting just like his town game. He is less aware of what town is doing and what his vote is doing than the average player. If you guys want to lynch/shoot him, that's fine with me because I don't see any other way to figure out his alignment to any degree of certainty. But if I had to bet on it, I would say he's town, and attempting to pursue a read on him is going to go nowhere because he isn't going to act any differently than he is now.
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On January 26 2013 01:47 DearestSnot wrote:Yeah, what's up? Also @Vivax, I never asked Chezinu about being masoned.
One of my masons provided me with an interesting thought.
Both my masons, who I'm reasonably confident are town (and even more confident that one must be town) were masoned with Chezinu Day 1. Given no-one knew they were masoned with Chezinu before I found out Day 2, why did mafia not take the opportunity to eliminate them, or at least one of them?
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On January 26 2013 01:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:42 yamato77 wrote:On January 26 2013 01:38 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? *raises hand* I'm going to regret asking this question, but why? 1. If Toad is town he would jail him tonight, so there's not even a point in discussing this now. We can't be totally sure of the outcome cause there might be a protection somewhere. But if there's a medic protecting and he claims then we will know that the extra KP is missing cause of that and not cause BKE is scum. I doubt scum would sacrifice a KP to push a BKE mislynch for the next day. Toad could also act not according to what he said so far and jail me, Bugs or anyone else for example. That leaves the danger open that he will still push for a BKE lynch tomorrow. 2. Other than that, you can't have a good read on people with low activity like BKE. Pushing for a lynch on him is comfortable, you don't need to tell many reasons. Sadly, I can't check Toad and FT who are pushing for his lynch. @ Bugs
Why are you ok with the mason information being withheld?
Most people oppose lunches because they have a reason to believe someone is town, but you oppose it because of the night action WIFOM happening the night before?
Okay Vivax.
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That's a good question, but I'm not sure how likely it is that it makes Chez town. You're sure both masons are town?
You have all the logs?
Perhaps they left them alive to allow gonzaw the opportunity to mason someone without being suspected?
Personally if I were mafia and speaking to two masons I'd leave them alive so that the next day they can mason someone else and tell them I'm town.
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Vivax you really need to NEVER TALK ABOUT NIGHT ACTIONS AGAIN EVER EVER EVER
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Yamato, what the fuck are you talking about. I wasn't even talking about the last night in that post.
On January 26 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:47 DearestSnot wrote:On January 26 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote:
bugs are you around for a little? Yeah, what's up? Also @Vivax, I never asked Chezinu about being masoned. One of my masons provided me with an interesting thought. Both my masons, who I'm reasonably confident are town (and even more confident that one must be town) were masoned with Chezinu Day 1. Given no-one knew they were masoned with Chezinu before I found out Day 2, why did mafia not take the opportunity to eliminate them, or at least one of them?
If one of the masons is mafia and the other isn't, the guy who dies is a town-mason and that leaves the question open why the other one is still alive. Easy.
Do you know if the masons knew each others' identities anyway?
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On January 26 2013 01:57 debears wrote:
Vivax you really need to NEVER TALK ABOUT NIGHT ACTIONS AGAIN EVER EVER EVER
I'm checking yamato tonight. Problem?
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On January 26 2013 01:56 DearestSnot wrote:
That's a good question, but I'm not sure how likely it is that it makes Chez town. You're sure both masons are town?
1.You have all the logs?
2.Perhaps they left them alive to allow gonzaw the opportunity to mason someone without being suspected?
3.Personally if I were mafia and speaking to two masons I'd leave them alive so that the next day they can mason someone else and tell them I'm town.
1. I have the logs, and I will provide them if/when necessary.
2. I had this thought too... but as far as we know, gonzaw didn't mason anybody, right? So what gives?
3. Possibly valid. I think both masons came into the day leaning town on Chezinu from their conversations.
They are two of my stronger town-reads, the masons.
The thought just makes me uncomfortable. Why not kill a town mason over JieXian/Djodref?!
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You're an idiot, Vivax.
If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched.
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On January 26 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:
You're an idiot, Vivax.
If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched.
Why don't you consider the option of being framed though?
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Would actually make sense if they made you godfather, given how bad you are as scum.
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On January 26 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:
You're an idiot, Vivax.
If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched. Why don't you consider the option of being framed though?
That's why I called you an idiot.
Either way, you get a red check on me and claim it and I am lynching you with all my might.
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Wouldn't that be the point where the game got really interesting though?
People shouting you have been framed
People shouting I'm lying
People shouting you're the godfather
People shouting we lynch you first
A really productive mayhem it would be
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On January 26 2013 02:00 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:56 DearestSnot wrote:
That's a good question, but I'm not sure how likely it is that it makes Chez town. You're sure both masons are town?
1.You have all the logs?
2.Perhaps they left them alive to allow gonzaw the opportunity to mason someone without being suspected?
3.Personally if I were mafia and speaking to two masons I'd leave them alive so that the next day they can mason someone else and tell them I'm town. 1. I have the logs, and I will provide them if/when necessary. 2. I had this thought too... but as far as we know, gonzaw didn't mason anybody, right? So what gives? 3. Possibly valid. I think both masons came into the day leaning town on Chezinu from their conversations. They are two of my stronger town-reads, the masons. The thought just makes me uncomfortable. Why not kill a town mason over JieXian/Djodref?!
Nah I think it makes sense.
If Chezinu spent that much time in PMs convincing them that he was town, shooting them is a waste. They would not be a threat to him.
I don't understand the JX and Djo kills either, but perhaps they were blue sniping or trying to take out people they knew would not be protected. Who knows.
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On January 26 2013 02:05 Vivax wrote:
Wouldn't that be the point where the game got really interesting though?
People shouting you have been framed
People shouting I'm lying
People shouting you're the godfather
People shouting we lynch you first
A really productive mayhem it would be
This dumb shit is why I want to kill you.
Honestly, I've been brooding over you this whole fucking game because of how fucking stupid you're being. Are you just this dumb?
Obviously not. You know that what you're doing is anti-town and you're doing it anyway. So either you're mafia, or you're a fucking troll.
Which is it?
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On January 26 2013 02:06 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 02:00 FiveTouch wrote:On January 26 2013 01:56 DearestSnot wrote:
That's a good question, but I'm not sure how likely it is that it makes Chez town. You're sure both masons are town?
1.You have all the logs?
2.Perhaps they left them alive to allow gonzaw the opportunity to mason someone without being suspected?
3.Personally if I were mafia and speaking to two masons I'd leave them alive so that the next day they can mason someone else and tell them I'm town. 1. I have the logs, and I will provide them if/when necessary. 2. I had this thought too... but as far as we know, gonzaw didn't mason anybody, right? So what gives? 3. Possibly valid. I think both masons came into the day leaning town on Chezinu from their conversations. They are two of my stronger town-reads, the masons. The thought just makes me uncomfortable. Why not kill a town mason over JieXian/Djodref?! Nah I think it makes sense. If Chezinu spent that much time in PMs convincing them that he was town, shooting them is a waste. They would not be a threat to him. I don't understand the JX and Djo kills either, but perhaps they were blue sniping or trying to take out people they knew would not be protected. Who knows.
Ok, this makes some sense. And the fact I guess that masons aren't confirmed town in any case. Also, the shots on JieXian and/or Djodref were weird whether they had town masons to shoot at or not.
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Don't answer me. I'm done with this conversation.
Check whoever the fuck you like. Do whatever the fuck you like.
Try to lynch me? You die. That's the last thing I have to say to you for the rest of this game.
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Good yamato, thanks for dropping in to give us your townread on axle.
Keep up your good play.
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hey WBG and fivetouch and toad
who are your top three scum reads pl0x
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On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote:
hey WBG and fivetouch and toad
who are your top three scum reads pl0x
already said it's Chez, BKE mkfuba. Everyone else is either very likely town or even confirmed town.
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