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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 02 2013 23:09 GMT
#741
Chillax, Sn0. I'm still waiting to see what others are going to do.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
February 02 2013 23:09 GMT
#742
Why don't you read corazons filter from a neutral perspective. Do you still not understand why we are voting for him?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 02 2013 23:16 GMT
#743
Is corazon actually like really not here any more?
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 02 2013 23:25 GMT
#744
Enough messing about with hypotheticals. I'm not going to sit here as vote #3 on corazon and leave open the likelihood that glurio and/or slay will pop in and wagon the shit out of it.

I've got the response that I need from Sn0.

##unvote
##vote: glurio


I had to turn confirmation bias on so hard in order to make that bullshit case.
Details briefly, just needed the vote switch in asap.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 02 2013 23:27 GMT
#745
On February 03 2013 08:09 Acid~ wrote:
Why don't you read corazons filter from a neutral perspective. Do you still not understand why we are voting for him?


I totally do, thats part of why a) this is annoying and b) I checked him night 1.
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Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
February 02 2013 23:41 GMT
#746
I'm at a loss here.

I'll go with the strategy that won us the last game, but I really hate the implications.

##unvote
##Vote: glurio
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#747
On February 03 2013 07:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2013 07:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Immediately post-night 2, glurio comes out swinging because he knows he *has* to discredit me or he loses. He makes more in-depth posts than ever before and they are extremely tunnelled on me (admittedly mine are equally tunnelled on him). After basically blowing his cover (since his previous excuse was basically bad/lazy town), he retreats into hiding hoping the seeds of doubt he has sown blossom and grow. He has flung his shit and has no real content to provide so he resumes lurking. And over the course of this day, instead of clearing stuff up, the rest of town decides that it wants to lynch... Corazon? what is up here? There is no possible way from any perspective that corazon is the right lynch. However, cakepie's obsession with "playing the game" have resulted in more uncertainty and lack of clarity. If you choose to believe that glurio is just a lazy townie, then explain his outburst post-N2, especially how well he grasped my options as cop and how scum could abuse them to make me look scummy. He clearly had spent a ton of time thinking on it and working through the possibilities. Not really consisted with lazy town IMO, but very consistent with lurky scum.


See, this is the sort of thing I wanted sooner.

I'm pretty sure I made these arguments sooner.

On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2013 07:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't know what else to say. There is no playing left for me. I have solved the game, provided as much info to you as possible, and now I await the jury's choice.


The jury needs convincing. You have to bring other evidence besides a policeman's testimony.
Oh really? Glurio runs up and screams "SNO IS SCUM GUYS", uses red text, then disappears. I make reasoned posts and lay the game out for you so that it is as simple as humanly possible. Good thing we wish to ignore the fuck out of me and just believe glurio. You are really pissing me off.



How is my last post just running and screaming? One of it's quotes is the last will of the voice of reason.
He posted it at 10:00 so tough luck for sn0.

Why i made a big ass post and didn't do before? Because i finally saw through your scheme. All that fakeclaiming and stuff.
And i don't wanna lose to such a gamble, already said that before.

I disappeared because it's saturday evening sorry for being busy. I made sure i was back before lynch and i am. You can ask me anything.

I still believe cora and Sn0 is the scumteam. If you vote for me we'll have another mislynch on our hands.

I'd be down to lynch cora since both of em are sure scum, it's the only combination we have left.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 23:55 GMT
#748
Just read coras and sn0s filter without believing sn0s fakeclaim for a while.
It should make things very clear.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:09 GMT
#749
Sn0 has shown no single argument why i should be scum except "i figured the game out" or "thats the only possible combination".
How can you believe such weak evidence when you got so much evidence against him and cora?
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 03 2013 00:18 GMT
#750
Here's what's wrong with with the case I put together:

- it is the mother of all association cases without flip
- the whole D1/N1 speculation on what happened is WIFOM. In particular, the choice for scum to kill Zare N1 is equally valid for other scumteams.
- Corazon voting Acid D2 was not unjustified, just poorly justified.
- Sn0's second vote on warbaby is not flippant. He did indeed take issue with warbaby's play, and painting him as "sadscum". The justification may not be strongest, but most importantly Sn0 understood the significance of his vote: to force warbaby to defend himself and his behavior, rather than brush it off.
- a lot of the D2 WIFOM I put out is equally explainable by Sn0 with a green check on Cora.
- slayalot votes onto warbaby to replace zare. this is incriminating for slayalot too, with lack of justification.

zare unvotes, but slaylot votes on.
the four votes on warbaby are Acid, Sn0, glurio, Slayalot.

- Corazon shits his pants at impending lynch is technically null.
- Sn0's failure to switch is null, as I have described before.
- Cora's N2 is easily bad town.

- and lastly

On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote:
[...]. He only cop claimed after Cora was under a lot of attack

Well duh, he didn't want to out himself so soon if he could help it.
On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote:
his earlier posts make it seem as though he didn't know the setup blue possibilities despite bieng cop.

He is the cop, does not believe warbaby, thinks it could be cop+VT or cop+JK or cop+doc. For a stretch of time, he even believed that there was a real doc who should not counter claim and expose himself yet.
The simple explanation is that Sn0 was just wrong about warbaby.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 03 2013 00:31 GMT
#751
On February 03 2013 08:41 Acid~ wrote:
I'm at a loss here.

I'll go with the strategy that won us the last game, but I really hate the implications.


You have any better ideas? Because my case was complete bullshit and I had trouble making myself believe it.

And glurio's pleading isn't gaining any traction with me.

glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:38 GMT
#752
Acid: do you truly believe cora and sn0 are town? How can you not vote for a person you believe is scum?

cake: so what is it you want? If you believe sn0s lies you will mislynch. I have no idea how he thought his fakeclaim gamble is a good idea, but it worked out for him which is utter bullshit if you ask me.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 03 2013 00:40 GMT
#753
On February 01 2013 22:03 glurio wrote:
Look at sn0s voting pattern and don't just cherry pick what fits your agenda.

On February 02 2013 23:38 glurio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmm, my vote history is identical to glurio's. Fascinating how incriminating MY vote history is.


Right. It's just as incriminating as mine or slays, which i thought cakepie should've also highlighted. So i did highlight it in a fitting color.


It's a different thing to make a wagon credible with a second vote, as opposed to blind bandwagoning for critical mass.

-----

On February 03 2013 09:09 glurio wrote:
Sn0 has shown no single argument why i should be scum except "i figured the game out" or "thats the only possible combination".
How can you believe such weak evidence when you got so much evidence against him and cora?


You mean my bullshit "case"? It doesn't hold water under scrutiny, and I didn't even believe it myself.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
February 03 2013 00:44 GMT
#754
On February 03 2013 09:31 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2013 08:41 Acid~ wrote:
I'm at a loss here.

I'll go with the strategy that won us the last game, but I really hate the implications.


You have any better ideas? Because my case was complete bullshit and I had trouble making myself believe it.

And glurio's pleading isn't gaining any traction with me.



No, that's what makes me sad. I really believe glurio is scum, which means Corazon is town. I think that's going to be it for me on the mafia games for a while.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:46 GMT
#755
There was no blind wagoning from my side.
warbaby cast the first vote after quoting me.
And i was suspicious of warbaby from N1, it took a while to cast my vote but i was simply busy doing rl stuff.


No, i mean the countless posts acid holds with evidence against cora for example.
Or how incredible scummy sn0s filter looks if you just don't believe his fakeclaim.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 03 2013 00:58 GMT
#756
On February 03 2013 09:44 Acid~ wrote:
No, that's what makes me sad. I really believe glurio is scum, which means Corazon is town. I think that's going to be it for me on the mafia games for a while.


I won't blame you for wanting to take a break after this game, but know this:

- This game is completely out of whack. Most games aren't like that. When I did my catching up and saw a 5.5-player D1 (I count many people as not playing or half-playing) with a tainted voting record (abenson), and the whole early-mid D2 mess I was like, what the fuck did I just replace into? And I still feel that way. BTW Hey can I get a refund on my newbie game quota?

- Your logical deduction, when you chose to use it, was excellent. I really hope you don't let this game discourage you from playing in future.

- Aggressive and abrasive is a perfectly valid playstyle to adopt. Just watch yourself and don't overstep the line and become personally nasty. (You're not the only one at fault for that in this game.) Don't worry about offending people -- it's a game, and if they can't take it, that's their problem, not yours.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 03 2013 00:58 GMT
#757
Lynch in 2 minutes? Has slayalot voted at all?
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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
February 03 2013 01:00 GMT
#758
No, Slayalot has not appeared for the longest time.
Yes, we could no-lynch and see if slayalot gets modkilled, but I think most of us would rather just end this game now.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 03 2013 02:24 GMT
#759
If I'm not mistaken, lynch was supposed to occur 1 hour 25 mins ago?
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
February 03 2013 02:25 GMT
#760
glurio, the mafia role cop has been lynched
slayalot, the mafia goon has been modkilled for not voting


The Town is victorious.

I'll have the endgame stuff up in a little. Thanks for playing guys.
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