EPTIn the mean time you guys better explain why you guys were trying to kill obvious noob town
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
In the mean time you guys better explain why you guys were trying to kill obvious noob town | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On January 16 2013 05:47 iamperfection wrote: Sup have somewhat followed. game Be home in a few hours. In the mean time you guys better explain why you guys were trying to kill obvious noob town Because he voted right before the deadline on the bandwagon? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing. Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It's that simple. | ||
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supersoft
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:12 supersoft wrote: yeah ruush was rather town and he's an aweful vig target now since it's not iamp and not ruush. good god, you guys... I suggested him getting vigged before he was replacced | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Are you scum, Grush? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:41 MrZentor wrote: He was a pretty terrible vigi target, imo. Are you scum, Grush? Yea, I forgot your a better target. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
If Hapa is indeed the SK there is a high chance that he got bulletproof, right? Now, if Vigilante shoots him and pierce through his bulletproof defence, there is NO proof that the vigilante actually did shoot Hapa. A player claiming to be Vigilante shooting Hapa can then be either Vigilante, scum or even SK himself holding his shoot. While getting rid of Hapa's bulletproof doesn't actually hurt town, it does not help us that much either. You say that Vigilante's are likely to shoot townie and that is probebly correct. But that is irrelevant. Lurky/bad players who are hard to read because they play anti town no matter what alignment they've got and/or players that are likely to get lynched are where we want to place our Vigi shoots. People all the time say that Jay looks scummy but noone wants to lynch him because ''he played like this last game as town''. But what if he rolled scum this game? Are we seriously going to let a player live forever just because he played bad as town? I say Jay is far superior Vigi shoot tonight than Hapa even IF he would be the SK. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 16 2013 05:09 thrawn2112 wrote: Btw thrawn, I actually read stuff quite fast the first time I look through the thread. Look up my filter from last game, LVIII for those who wasn't in it. I do missinterpret/missread stuff all the time and I was town. It really isn't alignment indicative at all.that is true. but i'm still having a hard time not seeing it as a lie. lazer said "Didn't see you wrote scum team, thought you meant Vigi." Super's entire post was meant to be directed at the scumteam. It even starts with "hey scumteam." | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 15 2013 23:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Oh, nvm. Didn't see you wrote scum team, thought you meant Vigi. Well, I'm cool with that then : ). | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 16 2013 07:02 thrawn2112 wrote: ...why did you suddenly switch from tunneling super to being friendly as soon as he caught you? SS said that in an obviously joking fashion so why wouldn't I? It's not that I have to call everyone I think is scum bad names 100% of the time. And I am cool with scum shooting the SK : D. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 15 2013 23:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Are you serious or joking? I have a hard time to figure actually : /. and what is this? why would scum super or town super be joking about this accusation? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
GL HF, and hopefully I'll see you on the other side of the deadline. Bolded Green = Strong town-read Green = slight-to-moderate town-read Black/Bolded = Null Red = Suspicious, needs to get looked into Bolded Red = Scum Thrawn - Thrawn has played two scum-games (Mafia LVIII, Mario Mini Mafia), in which he was lurky and really tried to avoid attention. In this game, his activity as well as his voting-shenanigans early in the game are strongly-indicative of a town thrawn. He's not trying to blend in, and his early-game actions match up very well with his recent town-games. MrZentor - He's generally very scared of posting and very self-conscious about his image when he's scum. He's the polar opposite this game. He's playing incredibly similar to his previous two town games (British Mini + Witchcraft Mini), and is even more active and fearless than in those games. WBG - A mix of gut-feeling and the fact that all his posts have made sense. I really liked his post breaking down the votes... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=43#854 ... and there are certain posts in his filter that look too attention-grabbing to be from a scum player, notably: On January 15 2013 07:42 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl I'm not going to even argue against this. You guys can lynch who you want. Also lol @ hopeless. sadly I can't tell whether you're scum trying to appear reasonable or whether you're simply town. Sigh. WBG is a damn-good scum player, so there's certainly a possibility that he is doing what he's doing as scum. I don't think that's the case though. Jaybrundage - Like MrZ, activity is very indicative of Jay's allignment. He's lurk-tastic as scum, but much more open and active as town. He passes the activity test for now, and all his behavior so far seems really typical of town Jay. I'll be worried if he stops posting, but it's unlikely he's scum based on his behavior so far. SloOsh - Probably a slight town-read on the basis that he's making sense and has been assertive about his reads. He did make the initial case on Promethelax on Day 1, but I agreed with it at the time and it didn't seem malicious. He's lurkier than I would like, but that's not a reason to lynch him. I'm interested to see his reads tonight. As WBG said, best to read him based on what cases he's pushing. SuperSoft - I'm torn on his pre-lynch actions. On the one hand, him voting for Promethelax looks really bad, and he seems more obsessed with shooting his SK read rather than the people he's convinced are scum. However, he's an arrogant asshole, and I can rationalize a lot of this from said town mentality. His attitude on Prome for example... On January 15 2013 09:30 supersoft wrote: guys i understand, you don't understand my playstyle. That's because I have a long term strategy for more than one cycle. Something most of you are not capable of because of limited brainactivity. I prefer to sacrificing a prawn in the middle to get it out of the my bishops line rather than a pawn at the side with no reward. ... if anyone can think like that as town, it's probably SuperSoft. I'm generally worried about him because he's supposedly a good player, and then proceeds to vote a town read, and he seems more obsessed with killing the SK than his actual scumreads. I don't see a reason why he's not calling a vigi shot on the guy he's convinced is scum (Lazer). grush - Is grush. I gave my thoughts earlier on him: On January 15 2013 22:29 Hapahauli wrote: Grush is always going to spontaneously come up with reads or make a sketchy vote regardless of his alignment. What's more telling about his alignment is his attitude. Marv in Hero Mini was talking about how grush tended to be more trolly and antagonistic as scum. Though marv was scum in that game, the read methodology was genuine. As for grush's attitude, I haven't seen any of his "scum traits" this game, but I just don't have enough of a sample-size to go on. I don't think he's someone one could reliably read 48 hours into the game. I'm mostly interested in seeing how he reacts to you and Jay's case against him. ... Iamperfection - Replacement gets a blank slate. Also pretty happy with this development, considering that iamp has a really easily distinguished scum/town meta. If you see him clam up and have difficulty posting frequently and openly, he's scum. If he's super-spammy, he's town. Xatalos - Also very lynch-baity. I have very conflicting reads on him. He's more active than I've seen him in British Mini Mafia. At the same time, I haven't been thrilled with his Day 1 contributions. I tried to look in more detail through his town meta to see if I could pin down why he could be scum this game, and I can't find anything super-convincing about his alignment one way or the other. I need to see some more reads from him before I make a decision. He's a pretty wishy-washy guy regardless of alignment, so be careful with this one. Lazer - I've been looking over his "scumslip" for some time now. First off, I don't think a slip like that is damning by any measure. Townies can butcher wordings and do stupid things all the time. It's a really really bad idea to lynch him only based on his "slip." That being said, I'm leaning scum on him for the behavioral oddities in his defense (as thrawn pointed out): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=45#896 And given how Supersoft worded his "hey scumteam, shoot Hapa" post, it's unlikely that Lazer simply misread things. I do think it's POSSIBLE though, so handle with care. Hopeless - His pre-lynch are extremely scummy. Hopeless shows a shocking level of lynch-apathy that is completely at odds with his town mentality. He votes lazermonkey here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=28#552 This is individually fine and dandy, but then there's this post on Promethelax: On January 15 2013 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote: He has asked a lot of questions and generally follows them up. They don't appear to be useless and he seems to have read British Empire, which he didn't play in. He's going out of his way to interact with people, like asking you (sloosh) about xat's play in Paranoia, which again he didn't play in or me about my "policy", as discussed in an obs qt. In short, he's active and paying attention, pursuing information from outside of this game where possible. His "swapping" his stance on Xata was deliberate and pre-meditated to me, as evidenced by his post here: Further to the above, I don't recall him ever taking a proper stance on Xatalos until this post. His unvote of SS is sketchy, especially what Hapa pointed out, with the unvote reasons having nothing to do with the initial voting reasons. His case against Lazer, and followup to that are much stronger than his push against SS, which makes me wonder if his heart was ever in pushing SS to begin with. I'm leaning town on Prom. If he gives a town-read on Prome, what is even the point of the bolded section? He doesn't attempt to discredit that viewpoint or even qualify it. He piles suspicion on Prome then gives an arbitrary town-read on him at the end of it. After that, he doesn't attempt to push lazer at all. When he does, he questions Lazer about his Jay read. On January 15 2013 02:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Thrawn, that is very demotivating. You're hurting my feelings. The last time that type of post happened, grush shot me in the back. Please stahp. @Lazer, I don't think your case on jay shows how what he's done is scummy. Show me. On January 15 2013 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, then go figure out how to convince me jay is scum, because at the moment, I am not convinced. He wants Lazer to convince him that Jay is scum, rather than pushing through the Lazer lynch. Then he stops pushing Lazer and begins pushing MrZ: On January 15 2013 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Examples please. I disagree with your statement. On January 15 2013 07:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Im poking Zentor for misrepresenting wbg's filter. On January 15 2013 07:33 Hopeless1der wrote: If I can show him to be scummier than Prom, then yes, that would be rather useful. ZENTOR, HOP TO IT Then FINALLY, when he's confronted for not pushing the Lazer lynch: On January 15 2013 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote: KILL LAZER MONKEY SO SCUM OMG There, I've hard defended every other player in the game. Gratz He replies sarcastically and is annoyed by the fact that he should be posting a scumread. So Hopeless's play can be characterized by: 1) Not pushing his scumreads 2) Being remarkably unconcerned that his town read is getting lynched (and soft-pushing the Prome lynch) 3) Flinging shit at OTHER players rather than being concerned with the lynch (namely MrZ) Most importantly, make sure you look at Hopeless's town games. Page 3 of his filter in Mario Mini Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725¤tpage=3 On November 15 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Switch back to debears plox On November 15 2012 10:52 Hopeless1der wrote: ZB, how is what debears doing townie at all? He's trying to lynch me for inactivity when I said I was on my way home from work. He's had like 10 desperate posts trying to push me for no other reason than 'he's not here' - This is almost half his entire case on me. Lynch debears. On November 15 2012 10:54 Hopeless1der wrote: KILL DEBEARS GODDAMNIT On November 15 2012 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm voting scum. Screw you all. Hell the entirety of his ChronoTrigger mafia play (as town) is night and day compared to his play this game. I need not pick specific examples, just read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&user=123725 | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 16 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Well, since I think that Vigi shooting Hapa SK is bad I didn't understand at all why he was pushing me for it.and what is this? why would scum super or town super be joking about this accusation? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On the off chance that I die tonight (going to sleep after writing this), I want everyone to also look at wherebugsgo tomorrow. There are just too many things wrong with him for it to be merely poor town play. Especially considering how experienced he is. 1) Posting a lot of useless "list" posts where he just throws dirt at most of the players in the game for little to no reason. On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote: super, agree/disagree: three of four Hopeless Xatalos Zentor Promethelax On January 14 2013 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote: He wasn't on my list because he didn't stand out to me on my first read, only on subsequent reads. I need to do more rereading since I really wanted to kill kush today. Tentatively I'd put Hopeless and Xatalos up there, followed by Zentor. On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either. On January 15 2013 05:30 wherebugsgo wrote: either way if Lazer flips I'd still be interested in Xatalos, but if Lazer flips town hopeless looks much worse. On January 15 2013 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too) Xatalos (1): jaybrundage Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point. Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him. Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me. In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either. So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful. On January 16 2013 02:48 wherebugsgo wrote: one thing that bothers me about jay's posting is that he summarized a bunch of shit for no good reason. I looked through jubjub and if I remember correctly he did it a bit in that game as scum, but I'm not entirely sure whether he would post this much content as scum (he didn't there) Anyway, if I'm not back before deadline, and I die, for tomorrow: 1. Either force Ruuch to play the game, or kill him. 2. Keep an eye on Xatalos, grush, Hopeless, at least one of them is likely scum IMO. 3. It's fairly likely that there's a scum between the more active/towny looking players, there almost always is. Between super and slOosh, if they at any point stop making sense or lead bad lynches, or have reads that are terrible, kill them. I can't necessarily say the same about the other players since they are more likely to do stupid shit as town. If you end up having an "auto-town" read on one of these players and the game goes to lylo, and they have not been under suspicion all game, consider killing them at that point. This is what I meant about the sciberbia thing, in Yet Another Mini I had an auto-town read and occasional niggling suspicion about sciberbia but it never was fleshed out into any sort of read and I perpetually procrastinated on fully reading his posts because I didn't view them as that important. I basically didn't pay attention to him. Don't make that same mistake. 4. If there are two kills at any point in the game, strongly consider the possibility of SK. 2) Completely sheeping both his opinion and vote on Lazermonkey. On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. On January 15 2013 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote LazerMonkey 3) Willing to lynch MrZentor despite certainly knowing that this is exactly MrZentor's town meta with his experience. On January 14 2013 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote: I am completely down to kill Zentor as an alternative to Xatalos today as well. His play has seemed somehow different this game, and he seems to be inconsistent. I am more confident in Xatalos, though. 4) Being frustrated when an anti-town (lynchbait) player, Kush, gets replaced. He should be happy as town! On January 14 2013 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote That's annoying. I'll be back in a few hours. 5) Not showing any real seriousness or interest about the D1 lynch. On January 15 2013 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote LazerMonkey On January 15 2013 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I would very much like to last minute lynch zentor if possible. ##unvote ##vote MrZentor On January 15 2013 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote: If that were anyone else I would call that a scumclaim. So, let's treat him like anyone else LOL ##unvote ##vote Ruuch 6) Last and the least: wanting to eagerly lynch me despite me being so "hard to read", but giving Jay a 100% free pass during D1 for the same reason. A pretty contradicting approach. On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch. I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive. Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card. ##vote Xatalos On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote: it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum. In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII. | ||
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supersoft
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thrawn2112
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