2012 was a great year for mafia. With a wave of promising new players and the return of many of our veteran players the forum experienced some of the craziest game setups, great individual and team performances, terrible individual and team performances (we still love you), and more mason claim problems than ever before. Here is hoping to a great 2013 year of Mafia in Liquidia.
Poll: THE TOTALLY GOOD HEARTED AND NOT MEAN Drama Queen
Corazon (16)
62%
Geript (5)
19%
Dandel Ion as Co-host of Bastard Mini Mafia (3)
12%
Ace/Marvellosity 2013 awards thread argument (1)
4%
Raynpelikoneet in Back to the Basics Mafia (1)
4%
26 total votes
Your vote: THE TOTALLY GOOD HEARTED AND NOT MEAN Drama Queen
(Vote): Ace/Marvellosity 2013 awards thread argument (Vote): Dandel Ion as Co-host of Bastard Mini Mafia (Vote): Raynpelikoneet in Back to the Basics Mafia (Vote): Geript (Vote): Corazon
Poll: WTF? Moment
Blazinghand (15)
68%
Vivax for being a DT (7)
32%
Personality Mafia 2 (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: WTF? Moment
(Vote): Vivax for being a DT (Vote): Personality Mafia 2 (Vote): Blazinghand
Poll: Best Blooper
Corazon's Vig shot in Titanic II (9)
56%
raynpelikoneet's illiteracy in ## mafia (5)
31%
sk8tr's typo in PTP4 (2)
13%
16 total votes
Your vote: Best Blooper
(Vote): sk8tr's typo in PTP4 (Vote): raynpelikoneet's illiteracy in ## mafia (Vote): Corazon's Vig shot in Titanic II
Poll: The Vote thread award for dissapointment
GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the first time (2)
10%
GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the second time (1)
5%
GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the third time (1)
5%
iGrok taking over the Vote thread (14)
67%
People going along with the above (3)
14%
21 total votes
Your vote: The Vote thread award for dissapointment
(Vote): GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the first time (Vote): GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the second time (Vote): GreYMisT saying he would do the polls "this" weekend the third time (Vote): iGrok taking over the Vote thread (Vote): People going along with the above
Individual Awards
Best Individual Performance This award is awarded to an individual for outstanding performance as either alignment in a single game. + Show Spoiler [Nominations] +
Best Town Player This award is awarded to an individual for outstanding performance as town in a single game. + Show Spoiler [Nominations] +
Best Third Party Player This award is awarded to an individual for outstanding performance as third party in a single game. + Show Spoiler [Nominations] +
Most Impressive Newbie Performance This award is awarded to the player with the most impressive performance in one of his/her first three games. + Show Spoiler [Nominations] +
A couple of these are really hard to nominate. Things like "best circle" are only really possible to evaluate if you were in the circle (unless it leads directly to victory, in which case it is still not nominated because the game is perceived as imba. Just look at Sandroba in Space Station Mafia). However, if you were in the circle, then you cannot self-nominate. To a certain extent, the same goes for best plan. Maybe allow people to self-nominate, but if they do, then someone else from the game has to give their approval (meaning you had better explain very well why it was awesome if you self-nominate)?
Hey Grey, is there a Mafia Awards 2011 and 2010 and the like? It'd be nice to have links to them in here (also a link to the 2012 mafia awards....for when that thread gets buried later this year)
TL;DR Sup guys I'm a DT, it's D2 and I've got a red check on Gonzaw, but let's lynch the mayor (Marv) who succesfully lynched mafia d1 instead because we can just go for the big fish and Gonzaw (red check) already used his joat powers after all. After lynching Marv we should probably lynch Toad, the sheriff who ended up being sheriff with exactly as many votes as my red check Gonzaw, just comming in as second because he had 4 votes sooner. Once those two are dead we can lynch my red check and 5 other guys.
2) Marv, Bugs, Sandro (died n1...) and myself for Best Circle, also from BC's TL Mafia LIX Yeahyeah... shameless selfpromotion, anyways: I was a mason, masoned Sandro d1, masoned bugs d2, masoned Marv d3 so it should count as a circle, right? Well and basicly completly stomped mafia. Prplhz lynched d1 Gonzaw lynched d2 (only due to a red check, without that check oats / Chez / BKE would have been lynched) Chez + BKE lynched d3, huge dissapointment to see BKE flip town... Axle lynched d4. Oats gave up d5
Could as well be a nomination for best townie award for Marv because he was the one pulling the most strings as mayor but in the end pretty much all of us 4 wanted those 6 dead and it was just a discussion about the order...
On February 07 2013 03:17 Aperture Science wrote: I nominate random.org for best town player in MTG Mafia II.
there were two cases day one, one on each scum. I'd nominate the town as best town were it not for the Acro/marv shitfest and the fact that only half of town did anything while the others just sheeped.
Nominate Mocsta for Most Impressive Newbie in Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVII.
In spite of slipping preknowledge of the SK to town, managed to flip the script entirely getting the SK lynched (who had sights on him if town had cooperated) and after killing the outed PR and securing a mislynch on a lurker (not only by his own posts, but by helping his teammates construct posts) managed to keep his team unscathed to a perfect scum victory.
bugs was Chezinu and spent the entire game roleplaying. His posts were all from the point of view of a dog hunting for rats. He invented different names for people, told stories and was hilarious throughout. It's too much for me to describe so you should just read his filter.
I'd like to nominate Personality Mafia 2 as the Most Impressive Newbie Performance, because of how he handled the kebab and didn't nuke the sheriff....
......oh sorry, that game kind of melted my brain so it's not functioning properly
bugs was Chezinu and spent the entire game roleplaying. His posts were all from the point of view of a dog hunting for rats. He invented different names for people, told stories and was hilarious throughout. It's too much for me to describe so you should just read his filter.
I support this, what makes it unfunny is that he didn't shoot prplhz though. That was definitely a highlight in the game :D until evil people lynched BugsyBoy
I feel flattered by the nominations but really Personality mafia 2 should just be nominated for deletion by a mod.
I'd like to nominate Kitaman27 for best play in The Game [N]. As a scum player, he deduced that his ally, Layabout, was converted to 3p and working against the scumteam. He lied to Layabout, pumping him for information, then led a lynch on Layabout's captor, freeing his scum-mate and securing a scum win.
Mar 22 11:28:18 * Now talking on #MLPfanclub Mar 22 14:53:07 * Kita666 has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 22 16:06:43 * Kita666 (43f0e8cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.240.232.205) has joined Mar 22 16:14:55 * playa (02db242b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.219.36.43) has joined Mar 22 16:15:06 <playa> sup Mar 22 16:15:32 <playa> kita666 Mar 22 16:15:38 <Kita666> hey Mar 22 16:16:20 <Kita666> lol so don't tell anyone, but I'm your cult buddy. I was recruited this cycle ^_^ Mar 22 16:16:39 <playa> it's so cool being in a cult Mar 22 16:16:48 <playa> not like those stupid outsiders say Mar 22 16:16:55 <Kita666> i know, right Mar 22 16:17:05 <playa> they don't understand us Mar 22 16:17:05 <Kita666> have some kool aid Mar 22 16:17:23 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 16:17:39 <Kita666> good thing this dead noob can't report back to the others Mar 22 16:17:43 <playa> | Mar 22 16:17:46 <playa> hehe Mar 22 16:17:59 <playa> so we play for mafia win? Mar 22 16:18:09 <Kita666> what are you thinking? Mar 22 16:18:23 <Kita666> not sure what would be the easiest Mar 22 16:18:37 <playa> originally i wanted to backstab all of you Mar 22 16:18:49 <playa> but that was just cus of the noight actions Mar 22 16:19:00 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:19:01 <playa> if ryu and geript die we could surrender and win Mar 22 16:19:10 <playa> but i don't want it to go that way Mar 22 16:19:17 <playa> i want to win as mafia Mar 22 16:19:24 <playa> cus this game demands it Mar 22 16:19:29 <Kita666> hehe Mar 22 16:19:43 <playa> nobody on town derserves the win Mar 22 16:19:57 <playa> they are jumping over each other to stop playing Mar 22 16:20:07 <Kita666> can't compalin about that :p Mar 22 16:20:12 <playa> ironically the towniest thing trance has done is try to get replaced out Mar 22 16:20:21 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:20:29 <playa> not sure why thats ironic but i said it Mar 22 16:20:39 <Kita666> it must be true then Mar 22 16:20:48 <playa> thing that confuses me Mar 22 16:20:55 <playa> is how you could be converted Mar 22 16:21:06 <playa> i need some sort of questioning emotican Mar 22 16:21:14 <Kita666> hmm? Mar 22 16:21:25 <playa> well i thought i was masoning Mar 22 16:21:34 <playa> then i got a pm saying i was converted Mar 22 16:21:50 <playa> what happened to you? Mar 22 16:22:16 <Kita666> I got my mason pm, we chatted for an hour, I told him I knew who he was and then I was converted Mar 22 16:22:24 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:23:42 <playa> whgat is your role name? Mar 22 16:23:46 <playa> what* Mar 22 16:23:59 <Kita666> Devil Mar 22 16:24:06 <playa> i gots to be paranoid man Mar 22 16:24:16 <Kita666> paranoid? Mar 22 16:24:24 <playa> and what is your new role name Mar 22 16:24:45 <playa> as in not trusting you, you filthy mafioso Mar 22 16:24:54 <Kita666> I was told I remain a fool since my godfather power covers things Mar 22 16:25:16 <playa> but when you got converted did you get a new name? Mar 22 16:25:40 <Kita666> no, DrH told me I would have, but that would conflict with my devil role Mar 22 16:25:45 <Kita666> so I'm still a fool Mar 22 16:26:06 <playa> weird Mar 22 16:26:19 <playa> very weird.... Mar 22 16:26:22 <Kita666> guess it makes me so i can't return third party to dt checks Mar 22 16:26:25 <Kita666> can't complain Mar 22 16:27:08 <Kita666> we need to convince the other guys not to waste a shot on VE Mar 22 16:27:54 <playa> i kept my minotaur powers but got a new name Mar 22 16:28:05 <playa> why? Mar 22 16:28:21 <playa> pretty sure he wasn't converted Mar 22 16:28:42 <Kita666> not according to cosmic :p Mar 22 16:28:49 <playa> ahh Mar 22 16:29:02 <Kita666> he is just as clueless as us why he claimed tho Mar 22 16:29:06 <Kita666> Ve is hard to understand Mar 22 16:29:11 <playa> that would explain why he is so willing to die Mar 22 16:29:20 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:29:29 <playa> i wonder if he figured out i was masoned to cosmic Mar 22 16:29:43 <Kita666> maybe cosmic mentioned it to him Mar 22 16:29:48 <Kita666> would make sense why he isnt pushing you Mar 22 16:29:52 <playa> i think was a bit too obviuos Mar 22 16:30:02 <playa> since i was going to push him over bh Mar 22 16:30:31 <playa> well it looks like we are secure in a wiggles lynch Mar 22 16:30:39 <Kita666> ya hopefully Mar 22 16:31:01 <playa> VE is a bad player for town to have at endgame that alone should be enough of a reason for him to live Mar 22 16:31:08 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:31:16 <Kita666> I forget what DrH said happens to us if cosmic gets lynched and don't have access to tl to check the pm Mar 22 16:31:29 <playa> We can argue that the green check on TPS makes him the most threatening Mar 22 16:31:30 <Kita666> stupid work filter Mar 22 16:31:51 <playa> also we don't know if VE was protected and if we don't shoot WoS we need the roleblock for him Mar 22 16:31:58 <playa> it's possible VE still has his life Mar 22 16:32:22 <Kita666> maybe Mar 22 16:32:54 <playa> whether he does or not doesn't matter, it's a risk we don't need to take with a dead medic Mar 22 16:33:09 <Kita666> do you remember if we're removed from the game when cosmic dies? Mar 22 16:33:25 <playa> what else did you tell cosmic if anything? Mar 22 16:33:37 <playa> haven't been told havent asked Mar 22 16:33:46 <playa> because it's not going top happen Mar 22 16:33:54 <playa> *to Mar 22 16:33:59 <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work Mar 22 16:34:24 <playa> i would rather it stay a surprise Mar 22 16:34:39 <Kita666> lol I don't like surprises Mar 22 16:34:46 <Kita666> need to know if i need to sacrifice myself Mar 22 16:34:47 <Kita666> or not Mar 22 16:34:51 <Kita666> to save him if the time comes Mar 22 16:35:06 <playa> it's a surprise that happens if we have lost Mar 22 16:35:37 <Kita666> cosmic mentioned he was looking at ryu or kenpachi next since they were under the radar Mar 22 16:35:39 <playa> already Mar 22 16:35:52 <playa> hmm Mar 22 16:35:56 <playa> to recruit or push? Mar 22 16:35:59 <Kita666> recruit Mar 22 16:36:09 <playa> if it's ryu Mar 22 16:36:17 <playa> i think we can just backstab geript Mar 22 16:36:24 <playa> and that would be okay Mar 22 16:36:36 <playa> i would feel bad though Mar 22 16:36:40 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:36:51 <playa> thing is Mar 22 16:37:01 <playa> if he knows the scumteam Mar 22 16:37:08 <playa> he can still win if we die Mar 22 16:37:22 <Kita666> true, that's the dangerous part about him Mar 22 16:37:26 <Kita666> if he sides with town Mar 22 16:37:38 <playa> the other dangerous side Mar 22 16:37:43 <playa> is how scummy he looks Mar 22 16:37:47 <Kita666> lol -_- Mar 22 16:38:53 <Kita666> I wonder what happens in a scenario where its like 2 mafia, 2 third party mafia, 1 third party mirror, and 4 town Mar 22 16:39:14 <playa> then it's not endgame Mar 22 16:39:32 <Kita666> ya, but we would have control of the lynch Mar 22 16:39:40 <Kita666> if he sides with mafia Mar 22 16:39:56 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:40:01 <playa> which he should since he will win Mar 22 16:40:16 <Kita666> this mechanic doesn't make sense if we just decide to backstab the mafia team Mar 22 16:40:23 <Kita666> how would we possibly lose? Mar 22 16:40:47 <playa> i think we aren't allowed to out our team mates since it would break the game? Mar 22 16:41:00 <playa> it's basically like posting a pm or role list Mar 22 16:41:07 <Kita666> ya, but we're still allowed to push them for lynches Mar 22 16:41:18 <Kita666> and its not like ryu or greipt would be able to shoot us for it Mar 22 16:41:38 <playa> kita do you want to know something funny? Mar 22 16:41:46 <Kita666> whats that? Mar 22 16:41:51 <playa> i have been masoned to town once Mar 22 16:41:57 <playa> in about 5 masons Mar 22 16:42:12 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:18 <playa> next person to mason me i am gonna push like fuck Mar 22 16:42:31 <Kita666> The only mason I can remember is when we got married <3 Mar 22 16:42:43 <playa> opposite scumteams Mar 22 16:42:47 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:48 <playa> we won that game somehow Mar 22 16:43:11 <playa> it was the one where i got caught and called every person in thread mafia Mar 22 16:43:24 <playa> with the aid of pictures Mar 22 16:43:34 <Kita666> that game was so broken with the way the roles were passed on Mar 22 16:43:38 <Kita666> no idea how town lost Mar 22 16:44:04 <playa> drazerk was in a pm circle with acro and hassy who had the big powers Mar 22 16:44:12 <playa> and they sat back an let him win Mar 22 16:44:19 <playa> cus they stopped caring Mar 22 16:44:26 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:46:53 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:47:08 <Kita666> how many mislynches do we need until third party + mafia control the lynch? Mar 22 16:47:38 <playa> wait Mar 22 16:47:40 <playa> If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. If you are red your goal is to equal/outnumber the town, the same as it always is. I did not include specific win conditions in the role pms. Sorry for the confusion. Mar 22 16:47:57 <playa> do we count as mafia or 3rd party? Mar 22 16:48:12 <playa> i know we count towards mafia KP Mar 22 16:48:43 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:49:15 <Kita666> oh Mar 22 16:49:20 <Kita666> i have an pretty funny though Mar 22 16:49:23 <Kita666> *thought Mar 22 16:49:50 <Kita666> what would happen if cosmic recruited ryu tomorrow, then ryu told him to recruit greipt Mar 22 16:50:07 <Kita666> then we all claim mafia Mar 22 16:50:13 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:50:44 <playa> evryone can WIN Mar 22 16:50:52 <playa> FUCK IT Mar 22 16:50:59 <playa> THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN Mar 22 16:51:27 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:51:29 <playa> can we crumb him to do it? Mar 22 16:51:46 <Kita666> perhaps Mar 22 16:52:01 <playa> Like cosmic i think you should focus on RYU tomorrow? Mar 22 16:52:06 <playa> is that breaking the game? Mar 22 16:52:14 <Kita666> not sure Mar 22 16:52:23 <playa> no Mar 22 16:52:28 <playa> it playing to win condition Mar 22 16:52:38 <playa> plus it's risky Mar 22 16:53:25 <playa> ther are 17 alive Mar 22 16:54:33 <playa> 2 mafia 2 mafia/3p two 3p and 11 townies Mar 22 16:55:19 <playa> with mislynches and no vigs 3 town die per day Mar 22 16:55:29 <playa> if he converts town Mar 22 16:56:09 <playa> then tomorrow we have 4 mafia 3 third party and 7 town Mar 22 16:56:58 <Kita666> and that ensures he can't be lynched Mar 22 16:57:02 <playa> and the next day would be 4 mafia 4 third party and 4 town Mar 22 16:57:12 <playa> yup Mar 22 16:57:25 <Kita666> cool Mar 22 16:57:32 <playa> but it also assume that town will be converted and they will do so quickly Mar 22 16:58:46 <playa> if they take the full cycle recruit like i did then the 3p number will be 1 lower and the town ones will be 1 higher Mar 22 16:59:02 <playa> but us two at least need two more mislynches Mar 22 16:59:03 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:59:13 <playa> and then we should be able to get the next one Mar 22 17:14:50 <playa> are we done here? Mar 22 17:18:52 <Kita666> I think so Mar 22 17:18:56 <Kita666> I'm going to afk for a bit Mar 22 17:19:36 <playa> drh want to see communication Mar 22 17:19:44 <playa> but we cant post this in qt Mar 22 17:19:54 <playa> should i pm him? Mar 22 17:20:00 <Kita666> already did Mar 22 17:20:02 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 17:20:50 <playa> "[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work" Mar 22 17:21:00 <playa> LIAR Mar 22 17:25:44 <Kita666> lol he skyped me Mar 22 17:25:55 <Kita666> no tl needed :p Mar 22 19:36:00 <playa> night Mar 22 19:36:06 * playa has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 23 10:03:27 * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
On March 30 2013 18:20 Blazinghand wrote: I'd like to nominate Kitaman27 for best play in The Game [N]. As a scum player, he deduced that his ally, Layabout, was converted to 3p and working against the scumteam. He lied to Layabout, pumping him for information, then led a lynch on Layabout's captor, freeing his scum-mate and securing a scum win.
Mar 22 11:28:18 * Now talking on #MLPfanclub Mar 22 14:53:07 * Kita666 has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 22 16:06:43 * Kita666 (43f0e8cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.240.232.205) has joined Mar 22 16:14:55 * playa (02db242b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.219.36.43) has joined Mar 22 16:15:06 <playa> sup Mar 22 16:15:32 <playa> kita666 Mar 22 16:15:38 <Kita666> hey Mar 22 16:16:20 <Kita666> lol so don't tell anyone, but I'm your cult buddy. I was recruited this cycle ^_^ Mar 22 16:16:39 <playa> it's so cool being in a cult Mar 22 16:16:48 <playa> not like those stupid outsiders say Mar 22 16:16:55 <Kita666> i know, right Mar 22 16:17:05 <playa> they don't understand us Mar 22 16:17:05 <Kita666> have some kool aid Mar 22 16:17:23 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 16:17:39 <Kita666> good thing this dead noob can't report back to the others Mar 22 16:17:43 <playa> | Mar 22 16:17:46 <playa> hehe Mar 22 16:17:59 <playa> so we play for mafia win? Mar 22 16:18:09 <Kita666> what are you thinking? Mar 22 16:18:23 <Kita666> not sure what would be the easiest Mar 22 16:18:37 <playa> originally i wanted to backstab all of you Mar 22 16:18:49 <playa> but that was just cus of the noight actions Mar 22 16:19:00 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:19:01 <playa> if ryu and geript die we could surrender and win Mar 22 16:19:10 <playa> but i don't want it to go that way Mar 22 16:19:17 <playa> i want to win as mafia Mar 22 16:19:24 <playa> cus this game demands it Mar 22 16:19:29 <Kita666> hehe Mar 22 16:19:43 <playa> nobody on town derserves the win Mar 22 16:19:57 <playa> they are jumping over each other to stop playing Mar 22 16:20:07 <Kita666> can't compalin about that :p Mar 22 16:20:12 <playa> ironically the towniest thing trance has done is try to get replaced out Mar 22 16:20:21 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:20:29 <playa> not sure why thats ironic but i said it Mar 22 16:20:39 <Kita666> it must be true then Mar 22 16:20:48 <playa> thing that confuses me Mar 22 16:20:55 <playa> is how you could be converted Mar 22 16:21:06 <playa> i need some sort of questioning emotican Mar 22 16:21:14 <Kita666> hmm? Mar 22 16:21:25 <playa> well i thought i was masoning Mar 22 16:21:34 <playa> then i got a pm saying i was converted Mar 22 16:21:50 <playa> what happened to you? Mar 22 16:22:16 <Kita666> I got my mason pm, we chatted for an hour, I told him I knew who he was and then I was converted Mar 22 16:22:24 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:23:42 <playa> whgat is your role name? Mar 22 16:23:46 <playa> what* Mar 22 16:23:59 <Kita666> Devil Mar 22 16:24:06 <playa> i gots to be paranoid man Mar 22 16:24:16 <Kita666> paranoid? Mar 22 16:24:24 <playa> and what is your new role name Mar 22 16:24:45 <playa> as in not trusting you, you filthy mafioso Mar 22 16:24:54 <Kita666> I was told I remain a fool since my godfather power covers things Mar 22 16:25:16 <playa> but when you got converted did you get a new name? Mar 22 16:25:40 <Kita666> no, DrH told me I would have, but that would conflict with my devil role Mar 22 16:25:45 <Kita666> so I'm still a fool Mar 22 16:26:06 <playa> weird Mar 22 16:26:19 <playa> very weird.... Mar 22 16:26:22 <Kita666> guess it makes me so i can't return third party to dt checks Mar 22 16:26:25 <Kita666> can't complain Mar 22 16:27:08 <Kita666> we need to convince the other guys not to waste a shot on VE Mar 22 16:27:54 <playa> i kept my minotaur powers but got a new name Mar 22 16:28:05 <playa> why? Mar 22 16:28:21 <playa> pretty sure he wasn't converted Mar 22 16:28:42 <Kita666> not according to cosmic :p Mar 22 16:28:49 <playa> ahh Mar 22 16:29:02 <Kita666> he is just as clueless as us why he claimed tho Mar 22 16:29:06 <Kita666> Ve is hard to understand Mar 22 16:29:11 <playa> that would explain why he is so willing to die Mar 22 16:29:20 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:29:29 <playa> i wonder if he figured out i was masoned to cosmic Mar 22 16:29:43 <Kita666> maybe cosmic mentioned it to him Mar 22 16:29:48 <Kita666> would make sense why he isnt pushing you Mar 22 16:29:52 <playa> i think was a bit too obviuos Mar 22 16:30:02 <playa> since i was going to push him over bh Mar 22 16:30:31 <playa> well it looks like we are secure in a wiggles lynch Mar 22 16:30:39 <Kita666> ya hopefully Mar 22 16:31:01 <playa> VE is a bad player for town to have at endgame that alone should be enough of a reason for him to live Mar 22 16:31:08 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:31:16 <Kita666> I forget what DrH said happens to us if cosmic gets lynched and don't have access to tl to check the pm Mar 22 16:31:29 <playa> We can argue that the green check on TPS makes him the most threatening Mar 22 16:31:30 <Kita666> stupid work filter Mar 22 16:31:51 <playa> also we don't know if VE was protected and if we don't shoot WoS we need the roleblock for him Mar 22 16:31:58 <playa> it's possible VE still has his life Mar 22 16:32:22 <Kita666> maybe Mar 22 16:32:54 <playa> whether he does or not doesn't matter, it's a risk we don't need to take with a dead medic Mar 22 16:33:09 <Kita666> do you remember if we're removed from the game when cosmic dies? Mar 22 16:33:25 <playa> what else did you tell cosmic if anything? Mar 22 16:33:37 <playa> haven't been told havent asked Mar 22 16:33:46 <playa> because it's not going top happen Mar 22 16:33:54 <playa> *to Mar 22 16:33:59 <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work Mar 22 16:34:24 <playa> i would rather it stay a surprise Mar 22 16:34:39 <Kita666> lol I don't like surprises Mar 22 16:34:46 <Kita666> need to know if i need to sacrifice myself Mar 22 16:34:47 <Kita666> or not Mar 22 16:34:51 <Kita666> to save him if the time comes Mar 22 16:35:06 <playa> it's a surprise that happens if we have lost Mar 22 16:35:37 <Kita666> cosmic mentioned he was looking at ryu or kenpachi next since they were under the radar Mar 22 16:35:39 <playa> already Mar 22 16:35:52 <playa> hmm Mar 22 16:35:56 <playa> to recruit or push? Mar 22 16:35:59 <Kita666> recruit Mar 22 16:36:09 <playa> if it's ryu Mar 22 16:36:17 <playa> i think we can just backstab geript Mar 22 16:36:24 <playa> and that would be okay Mar 22 16:36:36 <playa> i would feel bad though Mar 22 16:36:40 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:36:51 <playa> thing is Mar 22 16:37:01 <playa> if he knows the scumteam Mar 22 16:37:08 <playa> he can still win if we die Mar 22 16:37:22 <Kita666> true, that's the dangerous part about him Mar 22 16:37:26 <Kita666> if he sides with town Mar 22 16:37:38 <playa> the other dangerous side Mar 22 16:37:43 <playa> is how scummy he looks Mar 22 16:37:47 <Kita666> lol -_- Mar 22 16:38:53 <Kita666> I wonder what happens in a scenario where its like 2 mafia, 2 third party mafia, 1 third party mirror, and 4 town Mar 22 16:39:14 <playa> then it's not endgame Mar 22 16:39:32 <Kita666> ya, but we would have control of the lynch Mar 22 16:39:40 <Kita666> if he sides with mafia Mar 22 16:39:56 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:40:01 <playa> which he should since he will win Mar 22 16:40:16 <Kita666> this mechanic doesn't make sense if we just decide to backstab the mafia team Mar 22 16:40:23 <Kita666> how would we possibly lose? Mar 22 16:40:47 <playa> i think we aren't allowed to out our team mates since it would break the game? Mar 22 16:41:00 <playa> it's basically like posting a pm or role list Mar 22 16:41:07 <Kita666> ya, but we're still allowed to push them for lynches Mar 22 16:41:18 <Kita666> and its not like ryu or greipt would be able to shoot us for it Mar 22 16:41:38 <playa> kita do you want to know something funny? Mar 22 16:41:46 <Kita666> whats that? Mar 22 16:41:51 <playa> i have been masoned to town once Mar 22 16:41:57 <playa> in about 5 masons Mar 22 16:42:12 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:18 <playa> next person to mason me i am gonna push like fuck Mar 22 16:42:31 <Kita666> The only mason I can remember is when we got married <3 Mar 22 16:42:43 <playa> opposite scumteams Mar 22 16:42:47 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:48 <playa> we won that game somehow Mar 22 16:43:11 <playa> it was the one where i got caught and called every person in thread mafia Mar 22 16:43:24 <playa> with the aid of pictures Mar 22 16:43:34 <Kita666> that game was so broken with the way the roles were passed on Mar 22 16:43:38 <Kita666> no idea how town lost Mar 22 16:44:04 <playa> drazerk was in a pm circle with acro and hassy who had the big powers Mar 22 16:44:12 <playa> and they sat back an let him win Mar 22 16:44:19 <playa> cus they stopped caring Mar 22 16:44:26 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:46:53 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:47:08 <Kita666> how many mislynches do we need until third party + mafia control the lynch? Mar 22 16:47:38 <playa> wait Mar 22 16:47:40 <playa> If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. If you are red your goal is to equal/outnumber the town, the same as it always is. I did not include specific win conditions in the role pms. Sorry for the confusion. Mar 22 16:47:57 <playa> do we count as mafia or 3rd party? Mar 22 16:48:12 <playa> i know we count towards mafia KP Mar 22 16:48:43 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:49:15 <Kita666> oh Mar 22 16:49:20 <Kita666> i have an pretty funny though Mar 22 16:49:23 <Kita666> *thought Mar 22 16:49:50 <Kita666> what would happen if cosmic recruited ryu tomorrow, then ryu told him to recruit greipt Mar 22 16:50:07 <Kita666> then we all claim mafia Mar 22 16:50:13 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:50:44 <playa> evryone can WIN Mar 22 16:50:52 <playa> FUCK IT Mar 22 16:50:59 <playa> THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN Mar 22 16:51:27 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:51:29 <playa> can we crumb him to do it? Mar 22 16:51:46 <Kita666> perhaps Mar 22 16:52:01 <playa> Like cosmic i think you should focus on RYU tomorrow? Mar 22 16:52:06 <playa> is that breaking the game? Mar 22 16:52:14 <Kita666> not sure Mar 22 16:52:23 <playa> no Mar 22 16:52:28 <playa> it playing to win condition Mar 22 16:52:38 <playa> plus it's risky Mar 22 16:53:25 <playa> ther are 17 alive Mar 22 16:54:33 <playa> 2 mafia 2 mafia/3p two 3p and 11 townies Mar 22 16:55:19 <playa> with mislynches and no vigs 3 town die per day Mar 22 16:55:29 <playa> if he converts town Mar 22 16:56:09 <playa> then tomorrow we have 4 mafia 3 third party and 7 town Mar 22 16:56:58 <Kita666> and that ensures he can't be lynched Mar 22 16:57:02 <playa> and the next day would be 4 mafia 4 third party and 4 town Mar 22 16:57:12 <playa> yup Mar 22 16:57:25 <Kita666> cool Mar 22 16:57:32 <playa> but it also assume that town will be converted and they will do so quickly Mar 22 16:58:46 <playa> if they take the full cycle recruit like i did then the 3p number will be 1 lower and the town ones will be 1 higher Mar 22 16:59:02 <playa> but us two at least need two more mislynches Mar 22 16:59:03 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:59:13 <playa> and then we should be able to get the next one Mar 22 17:14:50 <playa> are we done here? Mar 22 17:18:52 <Kita666> I think so Mar 22 17:18:56 <Kita666> I'm going to afk for a bit Mar 22 17:19:36 <playa> drh want to see communication Mar 22 17:19:44 <playa> but we cant post this in qt Mar 22 17:19:54 <playa> should i pm him? Mar 22 17:20:00 <Kita666> already did Mar 22 17:20:02 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 17:20:50 <playa> "[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work" Mar 22 17:21:00 <playa> LIAR Mar 22 17:25:44 <Kita666> lol he skyped me Mar 22 17:25:55 <Kita666> no tl needed :p Mar 22 19:36:00 <playa> night Mar 22 19:36:06 * playa has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 23 10:03:27 * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
On March 30 2013 18:20 Blazinghand wrote: I'd like to nominate Kitaman27 for best play in The Game [N]. As a scum player, he deduced that his ally, Layabout, was converted to 3p and working against the scumteam. He lied to Layabout, pumping him for information, then led a lynch on Layabout's captor, freeing his scum-mate and securing a scum win.
Mar 22 11:28:18 * Now talking on #MLPfanclub Mar 22 14:53:07 * Kita666 has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 22 16:06:43 * Kita666 (43f0e8cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.240.232.205) has joined Mar 22 16:14:55 * playa (02db242b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.219.36.43) has joined Mar 22 16:15:06 <playa> sup Mar 22 16:15:32 <playa> kita666 Mar 22 16:15:38 <Kita666> hey Mar 22 16:16:20 <Kita666> lol so don't tell anyone, but I'm your cult buddy. I was recruited this cycle ^_^ Mar 22 16:16:39 <playa> it's so cool being in a cult Mar 22 16:16:48 <playa> not like those stupid outsiders say Mar 22 16:16:55 <Kita666> i know, right Mar 22 16:17:05 <playa> they don't understand us Mar 22 16:17:05 <Kita666> have some kool aid Mar 22 16:17:23 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 16:17:39 <Kita666> good thing this dead noob can't report back to the others Mar 22 16:17:43 <playa> | Mar 22 16:17:46 <playa> hehe Mar 22 16:17:59 <playa> so we play for mafia win? Mar 22 16:18:09 <Kita666> what are you thinking? Mar 22 16:18:23 <Kita666> not sure what would be the easiest Mar 22 16:18:37 <playa> originally i wanted to backstab all of you Mar 22 16:18:49 <playa> but that was just cus of the noight actions Mar 22 16:19:00 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:19:01 <playa> if ryu and geript die we could surrender and win Mar 22 16:19:10 <playa> but i don't want it to go that way Mar 22 16:19:17 <playa> i want to win as mafia Mar 22 16:19:24 <playa> cus this game demands it Mar 22 16:19:29 <Kita666> hehe Mar 22 16:19:43 <playa> nobody on town derserves the win Mar 22 16:19:57 <playa> they are jumping over each other to stop playing Mar 22 16:20:07 <Kita666> can't compalin about that :p Mar 22 16:20:12 <playa> ironically the towniest thing trance has done is try to get replaced out Mar 22 16:20:21 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:20:29 <playa> not sure why thats ironic but i said it Mar 22 16:20:39 <Kita666> it must be true then Mar 22 16:20:48 <playa> thing that confuses me Mar 22 16:20:55 <playa> is how you could be converted Mar 22 16:21:06 <playa> i need some sort of questioning emotican Mar 22 16:21:14 <Kita666> hmm? Mar 22 16:21:25 <playa> well i thought i was masoning Mar 22 16:21:34 <playa> then i got a pm saying i was converted Mar 22 16:21:50 <playa> what happened to you? Mar 22 16:22:16 <Kita666> I got my mason pm, we chatted for an hour, I told him I knew who he was and then I was converted Mar 22 16:22:24 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:23:42 <playa> whgat is your role name? Mar 22 16:23:46 <playa> what* Mar 22 16:23:59 <Kita666> Devil Mar 22 16:24:06 <playa> i gots to be paranoid man Mar 22 16:24:16 <Kita666> paranoid? Mar 22 16:24:24 <playa> and what is your new role name Mar 22 16:24:45 <playa> as in not trusting you, you filthy mafioso Mar 22 16:24:54 <Kita666> I was told I remain a fool since my godfather power covers things Mar 22 16:25:16 <playa> but when you got converted did you get a new name? Mar 22 16:25:40 <Kita666> no, DrH told me I would have, but that would conflict with my devil role Mar 22 16:25:45 <Kita666> so I'm still a fool Mar 22 16:26:06 <playa> weird Mar 22 16:26:19 <playa> very weird.... Mar 22 16:26:22 <Kita666> guess it makes me so i can't return third party to dt checks Mar 22 16:26:25 <Kita666> can't complain Mar 22 16:27:08 <Kita666> we need to convince the other guys not to waste a shot on VE Mar 22 16:27:54 <playa> i kept my minotaur powers but got a new name Mar 22 16:28:05 <playa> why? Mar 22 16:28:21 <playa> pretty sure he wasn't converted Mar 22 16:28:42 <Kita666> not according to cosmic :p Mar 22 16:28:49 <playa> ahh Mar 22 16:29:02 <Kita666> he is just as clueless as us why he claimed tho Mar 22 16:29:06 <Kita666> Ve is hard to understand Mar 22 16:29:11 <playa> that would explain why he is so willing to die Mar 22 16:29:20 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:29:29 <playa> i wonder if he figured out i was masoned to cosmic Mar 22 16:29:43 <Kita666> maybe cosmic mentioned it to him Mar 22 16:29:48 <Kita666> would make sense why he isnt pushing you Mar 22 16:29:52 <playa> i think was a bit too obviuos Mar 22 16:30:02 <playa> since i was going to push him over bh Mar 22 16:30:31 <playa> well it looks like we are secure in a wiggles lynch Mar 22 16:30:39 <Kita666> ya hopefully Mar 22 16:31:01 <playa> VE is a bad player for town to have at endgame that alone should be enough of a reason for him to live Mar 22 16:31:08 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:31:16 <Kita666> I forget what DrH said happens to us if cosmic gets lynched and don't have access to tl to check the pm Mar 22 16:31:29 <playa> We can argue that the green check on TPS makes him the most threatening Mar 22 16:31:30 <Kita666> stupid work filter Mar 22 16:31:51 <playa> also we don't know if VE was protected and if we don't shoot WoS we need the roleblock for him Mar 22 16:31:58 <playa> it's possible VE still has his life Mar 22 16:32:22 <Kita666> maybe Mar 22 16:32:54 <playa> whether he does or not doesn't matter, it's a risk we don't need to take with a dead medic Mar 22 16:33:09 <Kita666> do you remember if we're removed from the game when cosmic dies? Mar 22 16:33:25 <playa> what else did you tell cosmic if anything? Mar 22 16:33:37 <playa> haven't been told havent asked Mar 22 16:33:46 <playa> because it's not going top happen Mar 22 16:33:54 <playa> *to Mar 22 16:33:59 <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work Mar 22 16:34:24 <playa> i would rather it stay a surprise Mar 22 16:34:39 <Kita666> lol I don't like surprises Mar 22 16:34:46 <Kita666> need to know if i need to sacrifice myself Mar 22 16:34:47 <Kita666> or not Mar 22 16:34:51 <Kita666> to save him if the time comes Mar 22 16:35:06 <playa> it's a surprise that happens if we have lost Mar 22 16:35:37 <Kita666> cosmic mentioned he was looking at ryu or kenpachi next since they were under the radar Mar 22 16:35:39 <playa> already Mar 22 16:35:52 <playa> hmm Mar 22 16:35:56 <playa> to recruit or push? Mar 22 16:35:59 <Kita666> recruit Mar 22 16:36:09 <playa> if it's ryu Mar 22 16:36:17 <playa> i think we can just backstab geript Mar 22 16:36:24 <playa> and that would be okay Mar 22 16:36:36 <playa> i would feel bad though Mar 22 16:36:40 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:36:51 <playa> thing is Mar 22 16:37:01 <playa> if he knows the scumteam Mar 22 16:37:08 <playa> he can still win if we die Mar 22 16:37:22 <Kita666> true, that's the dangerous part about him Mar 22 16:37:26 <Kita666> if he sides with town Mar 22 16:37:38 <playa> the other dangerous side Mar 22 16:37:43 <playa> is how scummy he looks Mar 22 16:37:47 <Kita666> lol -_- Mar 22 16:38:53 <Kita666> I wonder what happens in a scenario where its like 2 mafia, 2 third party mafia, 1 third party mirror, and 4 town Mar 22 16:39:14 <playa> then it's not endgame Mar 22 16:39:32 <Kita666> ya, but we would have control of the lynch Mar 22 16:39:40 <Kita666> if he sides with mafia Mar 22 16:39:56 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:40:01 <playa> which he should since he will win Mar 22 16:40:16 <Kita666> this mechanic doesn't make sense if we just decide to backstab the mafia team Mar 22 16:40:23 <Kita666> how would we possibly lose? Mar 22 16:40:47 <playa> i think we aren't allowed to out our team mates since it would break the game? Mar 22 16:41:00 <playa> it's basically like posting a pm or role list Mar 22 16:41:07 <Kita666> ya, but we're still allowed to push them for lynches Mar 22 16:41:18 <Kita666> and its not like ryu or greipt would be able to shoot us for it Mar 22 16:41:38 <playa> kita do you want to know something funny? Mar 22 16:41:46 <Kita666> whats that? Mar 22 16:41:51 <playa> i have been masoned to town once Mar 22 16:41:57 <playa> in about 5 masons Mar 22 16:42:12 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:18 <playa> next person to mason me i am gonna push like fuck Mar 22 16:42:31 <Kita666> The only mason I can remember is when we got married <3 Mar 22 16:42:43 <playa> opposite scumteams Mar 22 16:42:47 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:48 <playa> we won that game somehow Mar 22 16:43:11 <playa> it was the one where i got caught and called every person in thread mafia Mar 22 16:43:24 <playa> with the aid of pictures Mar 22 16:43:34 <Kita666> that game was so broken with the way the roles were passed on Mar 22 16:43:38 <Kita666> no idea how town lost Mar 22 16:44:04 <playa> drazerk was in a pm circle with acro and hassy who had the big powers Mar 22 16:44:12 <playa> and they sat back an let him win Mar 22 16:44:19 <playa> cus they stopped caring Mar 22 16:44:26 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:46:53 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:47:08 <Kita666> how many mislynches do we need until third party + mafia control the lynch? Mar 22 16:47:38 <playa> wait Mar 22 16:47:40 <playa> If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. If you are red your goal is to equal/outnumber the town, the same as it always is. I did not include specific win conditions in the role pms. Sorry for the confusion. Mar 22 16:47:57 <playa> do we count as mafia or 3rd party? Mar 22 16:48:12 <playa> i know we count towards mafia KP Mar 22 16:48:43 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:49:15 <Kita666> oh Mar 22 16:49:20 <Kita666> i have an pretty funny though Mar 22 16:49:23 <Kita666> *thought Mar 22 16:49:50 <Kita666> what would happen if cosmic recruited ryu tomorrow, then ryu told him to recruit greipt Mar 22 16:50:07 <Kita666> then we all claim mafia Mar 22 16:50:13 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:50:44 <playa> evryone can WIN Mar 22 16:50:52 <playa> FUCK IT Mar 22 16:50:59 <playa> THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN Mar 22 16:51:27 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:51:29 <playa> can we crumb him to do it? Mar 22 16:51:46 <Kita666> perhaps Mar 22 16:52:01 <playa> Like cosmic i think you should focus on RYU tomorrow? Mar 22 16:52:06 <playa> is that breaking the game? Mar 22 16:52:14 <Kita666> not sure Mar 22 16:52:23 <playa> no Mar 22 16:52:28 <playa> it playing to win condition Mar 22 16:52:38 <playa> plus it's risky Mar 22 16:53:25 <playa> ther are 17 alive Mar 22 16:54:33 <playa> 2 mafia 2 mafia/3p two 3p and 11 townies Mar 22 16:55:19 <playa> with mislynches and no vigs 3 town die per day Mar 22 16:55:29 <playa> if he converts town Mar 22 16:56:09 <playa> then tomorrow we have 4 mafia 3 third party and 7 town Mar 22 16:56:58 <Kita666> and that ensures he can't be lynched Mar 22 16:57:02 <playa> and the next day would be 4 mafia 4 third party and 4 town Mar 22 16:57:12 <playa> yup Mar 22 16:57:25 <Kita666> cool Mar 22 16:57:32 <playa> but it also assume that town will be converted and they will do so quickly Mar 22 16:58:46 <playa> if they take the full cycle recruit like i did then the 3p number will be 1 lower and the town ones will be 1 higher Mar 22 16:59:02 <playa> but us two at least need two more mislynches Mar 22 16:59:03 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:59:13 <playa> and then we should be able to get the next one Mar 22 17:14:50 <playa> are we done here? Mar 22 17:18:52 <Kita666> I think so Mar 22 17:18:56 <Kita666> I'm going to afk for a bit Mar 22 17:19:36 <playa> drh want to see communication Mar 22 17:19:44 <playa> but we cant post this in qt Mar 22 17:19:54 <playa> should i pm him? Mar 22 17:20:00 <Kita666> already did Mar 22 17:20:02 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 17:20:50 <playa> "[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work" Mar 22 17:21:00 <playa> LIAR Mar 22 17:25:44 <Kita666> lol he skyped me Mar 22 17:25:55 <Kita666> no tl needed :p Mar 22 19:36:00 <playa> night Mar 22 19:36:06 * playa has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 23 10:03:27 * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
agreed 100% on this, that was some PYP:I Kavdragon-esque spy infiltration shit right there.
it's like walking up to a bear and convincing it you're its brother, then killing the mother bear, turning the bear into a human.
On March 28 2013 16:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Darthpunk and testsubject are dead
Fool and sword respectively
Sorry I will edit this later, I picked a bad time to start being social
On March 28 2013 16:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Omg I fucked up
Also for not knowing which Day the final deadline was on.
Second the biggest WTF moment: VE outing The Mirror
On March 21 2013 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote: The "Mirror" is a third party cult leader of some kind and he tried to recruit me last night. Everyone beware "The Mirror" - he is in our midst and he will try and convert you too.
Fuck it I accept. If I'm going to be ignored by most of the thread, I might as well punish them for it. 7 The Mirror
Of course I have countermeasures for survival. I would not have been given such an arduous task if it were not. And it seems like you are perceptive enough to understand what I offer you.
Do not fret about the delay in notification. That seems to be ... a trend this game. I shall inform you that playing "townie" will be in your best interest, and will hardly conflict with the greater purpose you shall receive. Everything will be made ... crystal clear. A-haha. 6 VisceraEyes
sciberbia you should probably give me the specifics of your role because you're essentially claiming 3rd party to me here. I have received no notification from DocH that my win condition has changed, so as far as I'm aware I still win with town. You see what sticky situation this puts me in. 5 VisceraEyes
Ooohhhh you're good. You're REAL good.
Tell me how this arrangement works. Because I'm assuming that I am already a part of whatever you have planned considering the choice of whether to be masoned with you or not is mine.
You're representing "townie" super hard and scum are going to want to kill you. Does your role account for this? 4 VisceraEyes
Too late you invited the wrong guy. I'm a compulsive claimer you see and have already revealed you to the thread. That would have been cool though.
No, if I keep surviving town would just lynch me. I'm of no use to you I'm afraid. But I may be of use to town. Thanks for the offer though! I'll tell you what: I'll give you until D4 to gather as many supporters as you can, then I reveal your purposes to town and we hunt you down.
That is, if I live that long :OOOOOOOOO
Unless you can convince me? If you have the power to give me what you say, surely you have a purpose in mind for bestowing it to me. If I were to...know that purpose? 3 The Mirror Welcome, VisceraEyes, to my humble abode.
I come to offer you a titillating proposition. I have powers. Oh so great powers. And it seems like you too have a great power. I want you to join me. I want you to employ you for my services, and in return I shall bestow upon you even greater power. Even, dare I say it, immortality.
"Surely you jest" you may think. But think closer again. I have already begun to recruit the brightest and crafty of minds. Town, mafia, these factions are child's play. These are just mere pawns in the greater power that is I, the Mirror.
I offer you an invitation to join me. It does not matter whether you herald town or scum.
If you are town, you have quite the powerful role. But dare I muse, it cannot be without limit? To you I offer an impregnable shield, one who will not falter during the night. Hide behind he and you can gain for yourself immortality.
If you are scum, then you will play the part of the double agent. Use your former teammates at your disposal. Manipulate the scum team to your own devices? To be numbered among the greats such as Keyser Söze, Mr. Orange, William "Billy" Costigan, Jr. or Staff Sgt. Colin Sullivan. Perhaps, to live out the dream that could have been Bureaucracy?
Of course if you are neither, you already know my purposes, and that you are but a step behind. Pressure me, threaten me, do as you wish, for I know it is all but a meaningless bluff.
My reach is infinite and it is not long that I will gather enough for my grand purposes. You may choose to join, you may choose to decline. What I offer you isn't employment ... but true freedom. 2 VisceraEyes
I demand satisfaction, mystery mason! REVEAL YOURSELF! 1 VisceraEyes
Interesting development. -.-
I suspected it was sciberbia based on the timing of the posting, but I don't think that's the case any longer. I told him I accept and immediately unmasoned him (I was told masoning with him was at my will) and came to the thread.
It was both how and how the thread devolved after it. It wasn't as much the outing of the mirror as much as it was including the "I accept" line seemingly outing the Mirror and admitting to be 3P at the same time. Maybe it's just how I saw it.
yes it was a perfectly decent play, it's just the thread took a weird turn.
Like literally "the accept" line made it almost certain that VE was town. Because there's only one argument to be made that it made VE 3rd party - the WIFOM argument - "but he did that to make us THINK that he was actually town, but he's 3p!!!"
The problem is, what is the actual alternative? If VE has actually been recruited, the alternative is to say nothing at all, and it's literally impossible you get caught (outside of gosu thread analysis or something).
It's almost impossible that VE is 3p by then. Which is why I thought Ace should be mafia, because he should be clever enough to understand this. Ditto layabout and WF (who were the two biggest culprits of jumping on the wagon without thinking about the logical explanation)
On March 31 2013 07:04 TheRavensName wrote: I feel like Newbie Mafia 39 Shold be nominated for worst lynch day 1, because we managed to lynch a person with only two votes and neither of them were scum... and it was a tie with someone who voted for himself... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424¤tpage=12
I'm really not a fan of Worst-Lynch nominations from Newbie Games. I mean it's a newbie game - dumb shit like that happens =/
On March 31 2013 07:04 TheRavensName wrote: I feel like Newbie Mafia 39 Shold be nominated for worst lynch day 1, because we managed to lynch a person with only two votes and neither of them were scum... and it was a tie with someone who voted for himself... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424¤tpage=12
I'm really not a fan of Worst-Lynch nominations from Newbie Games. I mean it's a newbie game - dumb shit like that happens =/
Does that mean I should also not nominate Krafia assuming there was a watcher in a game with no watcher possible in the set up?
On March 31 2013 07:04 TheRavensName wrote: I feel like Newbie Mafia 39 Shold be nominated for worst lynch day 1, because we managed to lynch a person with only two votes and neither of them were scum... and it was a tie with someone who voted for himself... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424¤tpage=12
I'm really not a fan of Worst-Lynch nominations from Newbie Games. I mean it's a newbie game - dumb shit like that happens =/
Does that mean I should also not nominate Krafia assuming there was a watcher in a game with no watcher possible in the set up?
Honestly newbie games will always have that sort of moment, they're newbie games.
As Catwoman I chose my disguise to be Ra's Al Ghul, a role which could choose its disguise as well then I got checked N1 by wbg (ra's) and then I killed wbg N2
On March 31 2013 07:43 marvellosity wrote: yes it was a perfectly decent play, it's just the thread took a weird turn.
Like literally "the accept" line made it almost certain that VE was town. Because there's only one argument to be made that it made VE 3rd party - the WIFOM argument - "but he did that to make us THINK that he was actually town, but he's 3p!!!"
The problem is, what is the actual alternative? If VE has actually been recruited, the alternative is to say nothing at all, and it's literally impossible you get caught (outside of gosu thread analysis or something).
It's almost impossible that VE is 3p by then. Which is why I thought Ace should be mafia, because he should be clever enough to understand this. Ditto layabout and WF (who were the two biggest culprits of jumping on the wagon without thinking about the logical explanation)
??? what? It doesn't matter what VE wants to do - he can't be contacted by 3rd party and go "lol no I dont want to" and turn it down. That would just make 3rd parties useless. I've already explained why it wasn't a WIFOM argument - the prior Vet claim which for some odd reason people keep ignoring.
Once VE outs the 3rd party after already saying screw the Town in the thread who the fuck cares what motivation exist: he can be recruited. Lynch him. You're overthinking the situation.
On March 30 2013 18:20 Blazinghand wrote: I'd like to nominate Kitaman27 for best play in The Game [N]. As a scum player, he deduced that his ally, Layabout, was converted to 3p and working against the scumteam. He lied to Layabout, pumping him for information, then led a lynch on Layabout's captor, freeing his scum-mate and securing a scum win.
Mar 22 11:28:18 * Now talking on #MLPfanclub Mar 22 14:53:07 * Kita666 has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 22 16:06:43 * Kita666 (43f0e8cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.240.232.205) has joined Mar 22 16:14:55 * playa (02db242b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.219.36.43) has joined Mar 22 16:15:06 <playa> sup Mar 22 16:15:32 <playa> kita666 Mar 22 16:15:38 <Kita666> hey Mar 22 16:16:20 <Kita666> lol so don't tell anyone, but I'm your cult buddy. I was recruited this cycle ^_^ Mar 22 16:16:39 <playa> it's so cool being in a cult Mar 22 16:16:48 <playa> not like those stupid outsiders say Mar 22 16:16:55 <Kita666> i know, right Mar 22 16:17:05 <playa> they don't understand us Mar 22 16:17:05 <Kita666> have some kool aid Mar 22 16:17:23 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 16:17:39 <Kita666> good thing this dead noob can't report back to the others Mar 22 16:17:43 <playa> | Mar 22 16:17:46 <playa> hehe Mar 22 16:17:59 <playa> so we play for mafia win? Mar 22 16:18:09 <Kita666> what are you thinking? Mar 22 16:18:23 <Kita666> not sure what would be the easiest Mar 22 16:18:37 <playa> originally i wanted to backstab all of you Mar 22 16:18:49 <playa> but that was just cus of the noight actions Mar 22 16:19:00 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:19:01 <playa> if ryu and geript die we could surrender and win Mar 22 16:19:10 <playa> but i don't want it to go that way Mar 22 16:19:17 <playa> i want to win as mafia Mar 22 16:19:24 <playa> cus this game demands it Mar 22 16:19:29 <Kita666> hehe Mar 22 16:19:43 <playa> nobody on town derserves the win Mar 22 16:19:57 <playa> they are jumping over each other to stop playing Mar 22 16:20:07 <Kita666> can't compalin about that :p Mar 22 16:20:12 <playa> ironically the towniest thing trance has done is try to get replaced out Mar 22 16:20:21 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:20:29 <playa> not sure why thats ironic but i said it Mar 22 16:20:39 <Kita666> it must be true then Mar 22 16:20:48 <playa> thing that confuses me Mar 22 16:20:55 <playa> is how you could be converted Mar 22 16:21:06 <playa> i need some sort of questioning emotican Mar 22 16:21:14 <Kita666> hmm? Mar 22 16:21:25 <playa> well i thought i was masoning Mar 22 16:21:34 <playa> then i got a pm saying i was converted Mar 22 16:21:50 <playa> what happened to you? Mar 22 16:22:16 <Kita666> I got my mason pm, we chatted for an hour, I told him I knew who he was and then I was converted Mar 22 16:22:24 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:23:42 <playa> whgat is your role name? Mar 22 16:23:46 <playa> what* Mar 22 16:23:59 <Kita666> Devil Mar 22 16:24:06 <playa> i gots to be paranoid man Mar 22 16:24:16 <Kita666> paranoid? Mar 22 16:24:24 <playa> and what is your new role name Mar 22 16:24:45 <playa> as in not trusting you, you filthy mafioso Mar 22 16:24:54 <Kita666> I was told I remain a fool since my godfather power covers things Mar 22 16:25:16 <playa> but when you got converted did you get a new name? Mar 22 16:25:40 <Kita666> no, DrH told me I would have, but that would conflict with my devil role Mar 22 16:25:45 <Kita666> so I'm still a fool Mar 22 16:26:06 <playa> weird Mar 22 16:26:19 <playa> very weird.... Mar 22 16:26:22 <Kita666> guess it makes me so i can't return third party to dt checks Mar 22 16:26:25 <Kita666> can't complain Mar 22 16:27:08 <Kita666> we need to convince the other guys not to waste a shot on VE Mar 22 16:27:54 <playa> i kept my minotaur powers but got a new name Mar 22 16:28:05 <playa> why? Mar 22 16:28:21 <playa> pretty sure he wasn't converted Mar 22 16:28:42 <Kita666> not according to cosmic :p Mar 22 16:28:49 <playa> ahh Mar 22 16:29:02 <Kita666> he is just as clueless as us why he claimed tho Mar 22 16:29:06 <Kita666> Ve is hard to understand Mar 22 16:29:11 <playa> that would explain why he is so willing to die Mar 22 16:29:20 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:29:29 <playa> i wonder if he figured out i was masoned to cosmic Mar 22 16:29:43 <Kita666> maybe cosmic mentioned it to him Mar 22 16:29:48 <Kita666> would make sense why he isnt pushing you Mar 22 16:29:52 <playa> i think was a bit too obviuos Mar 22 16:30:02 <playa> since i was going to push him over bh Mar 22 16:30:31 <playa> well it looks like we are secure in a wiggles lynch Mar 22 16:30:39 <Kita666> ya hopefully Mar 22 16:31:01 <playa> VE is a bad player for town to have at endgame that alone should be enough of a reason for him to live Mar 22 16:31:08 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:31:16 <Kita666> I forget what DrH said happens to us if cosmic gets lynched and don't have access to tl to check the pm Mar 22 16:31:29 <playa> We can argue that the green check on TPS makes him the most threatening Mar 22 16:31:30 <Kita666> stupid work filter Mar 22 16:31:51 <playa> also we don't know if VE was protected and if we don't shoot WoS we need the roleblock for him Mar 22 16:31:58 <playa> it's possible VE still has his life Mar 22 16:32:22 <Kita666> maybe Mar 22 16:32:54 <playa> whether he does or not doesn't matter, it's a risk we don't need to take with a dead medic Mar 22 16:33:09 <Kita666> do you remember if we're removed from the game when cosmic dies? Mar 22 16:33:25 <playa> what else did you tell cosmic if anything? Mar 22 16:33:37 <playa> haven't been told havent asked Mar 22 16:33:46 <playa> because it's not going top happen Mar 22 16:33:54 <playa> *to Mar 22 16:33:59 <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work Mar 22 16:34:24 <playa> i would rather it stay a surprise Mar 22 16:34:39 <Kita666> lol I don't like surprises Mar 22 16:34:46 <Kita666> need to know if i need to sacrifice myself Mar 22 16:34:47 <Kita666> or not Mar 22 16:34:51 <Kita666> to save him if the time comes Mar 22 16:35:06 <playa> it's a surprise that happens if we have lost Mar 22 16:35:37 <Kita666> cosmic mentioned he was looking at ryu or kenpachi next since they were under the radar Mar 22 16:35:39 <playa> already Mar 22 16:35:52 <playa> hmm Mar 22 16:35:56 <playa> to recruit or push? Mar 22 16:35:59 <Kita666> recruit Mar 22 16:36:09 <playa> if it's ryu Mar 22 16:36:17 <playa> i think we can just backstab geript Mar 22 16:36:24 <playa> and that would be okay Mar 22 16:36:36 <playa> i would feel bad though Mar 22 16:36:40 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:36:51 <playa> thing is Mar 22 16:37:01 <playa> if he knows the scumteam Mar 22 16:37:08 <playa> he can still win if we die Mar 22 16:37:22 <Kita666> true, that's the dangerous part about him Mar 22 16:37:26 <Kita666> if he sides with town Mar 22 16:37:38 <playa> the other dangerous side Mar 22 16:37:43 <playa> is how scummy he looks Mar 22 16:37:47 <Kita666> lol -_- Mar 22 16:38:53 <Kita666> I wonder what happens in a scenario where its like 2 mafia, 2 third party mafia, 1 third party mirror, and 4 town Mar 22 16:39:14 <playa> then it's not endgame Mar 22 16:39:32 <Kita666> ya, but we would have control of the lynch Mar 22 16:39:40 <Kita666> if he sides with mafia Mar 22 16:39:56 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:40:01 <playa> which he should since he will win Mar 22 16:40:16 <Kita666> this mechanic doesn't make sense if we just decide to backstab the mafia team Mar 22 16:40:23 <Kita666> how would we possibly lose? Mar 22 16:40:47 <playa> i think we aren't allowed to out our team mates since it would break the game? Mar 22 16:41:00 <playa> it's basically like posting a pm or role list Mar 22 16:41:07 <Kita666> ya, but we're still allowed to push them for lynches Mar 22 16:41:18 <Kita666> and its not like ryu or greipt would be able to shoot us for it Mar 22 16:41:38 <playa> kita do you want to know something funny? Mar 22 16:41:46 <Kita666> whats that? Mar 22 16:41:51 <playa> i have been masoned to town once Mar 22 16:41:57 <playa> in about 5 masons Mar 22 16:42:12 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:18 <playa> next person to mason me i am gonna push like fuck Mar 22 16:42:31 <Kita666> The only mason I can remember is when we got married <3 Mar 22 16:42:43 <playa> opposite scumteams Mar 22 16:42:47 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:42:48 <playa> we won that game somehow Mar 22 16:43:11 <playa> it was the one where i got caught and called every person in thread mafia Mar 22 16:43:24 <playa> with the aid of pictures Mar 22 16:43:34 <Kita666> that game was so broken with the way the roles were passed on Mar 22 16:43:38 <Kita666> no idea how town lost Mar 22 16:44:04 <playa> drazerk was in a pm circle with acro and hassy who had the big powers Mar 22 16:44:12 <playa> and they sat back an let him win Mar 22 16:44:19 <playa> cus they stopped caring Mar 22 16:44:26 <Kita666> lol Mar 22 16:46:53 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:47:08 <Kita666> how many mislynches do we need until third party + mafia control the lynch? Mar 22 16:47:38 <playa> wait Mar 22 16:47:40 <playa> If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. If you are red your goal is to equal/outnumber the town, the same as it always is. I did not include specific win conditions in the role pms. Sorry for the confusion. Mar 22 16:47:57 <playa> do we count as mafia or 3rd party? Mar 22 16:48:12 <playa> i know we count towards mafia KP Mar 22 16:48:43 <Kita666> hmm Mar 22 16:49:15 <Kita666> oh Mar 22 16:49:20 <Kita666> i have an pretty funny though Mar 22 16:49:23 <Kita666> *thought Mar 22 16:49:50 <Kita666> what would happen if cosmic recruited ryu tomorrow, then ryu told him to recruit greipt Mar 22 16:50:07 <Kita666> then we all claim mafia Mar 22 16:50:13 <Kita666> XD Mar 22 16:50:44 <playa> evryone can WIN Mar 22 16:50:52 <playa> FUCK IT Mar 22 16:50:59 <playa> THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN Mar 22 16:51:27 <Kita666> haha Mar 22 16:51:29 <playa> can we crumb him to do it? Mar 22 16:51:46 <Kita666> perhaps Mar 22 16:52:01 <playa> Like cosmic i think you should focus on RYU tomorrow? Mar 22 16:52:06 <playa> is that breaking the game? Mar 22 16:52:14 <Kita666> not sure Mar 22 16:52:23 <playa> no Mar 22 16:52:28 <playa> it playing to win condition Mar 22 16:52:38 <playa> plus it's risky Mar 22 16:53:25 <playa> ther are 17 alive Mar 22 16:54:33 <playa> 2 mafia 2 mafia/3p two 3p and 11 townies Mar 22 16:55:19 <playa> with mislynches and no vigs 3 town die per day Mar 22 16:55:29 <playa> if he converts town Mar 22 16:56:09 <playa> then tomorrow we have 4 mafia 3 third party and 7 town Mar 22 16:56:58 <Kita666> and that ensures he can't be lynched Mar 22 16:57:02 <playa> and the next day would be 4 mafia 4 third party and 4 town Mar 22 16:57:12 <playa> yup Mar 22 16:57:25 <Kita666> cool Mar 22 16:57:32 <playa> but it also assume that town will be converted and they will do so quickly Mar 22 16:58:46 <playa> if they take the full cycle recruit like i did then the 3p number will be 1 lower and the town ones will be 1 higher Mar 22 16:59:02 <playa> but us two at least need two more mislynches Mar 22 16:59:03 <Kita666> true Mar 22 16:59:13 <playa> and then we should be able to get the next one Mar 22 17:14:50 <playa> are we done here? Mar 22 17:18:52 <Kita666> I think so Mar 22 17:18:56 <Kita666> I'm going to afk for a bit Mar 22 17:19:36 <playa> drh want to see communication Mar 22 17:19:44 <playa> but we cant post this in qt Mar 22 17:19:54 <playa> should i pm him? Mar 22 17:20:00 <Kita666> already did Mar 22 17:20:02 <Kita666> :p Mar 22 17:20:50 <playa> "[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work" Mar 22 17:21:00 <playa> LIAR Mar 22 17:25:44 <Kita666> lol he skyped me Mar 22 17:25:55 <Kita666> no tl needed :p Mar 22 19:36:00 <playa> night Mar 22 19:36:06 * playa has quit (Quit: Page closed) Mar 23 10:03:27 * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
Kitaman27 is so clever that he deduced from me telling you all that i had been recruited that i had been recruited. The information you "pumped" from me was almost entirely information i had voluntarily shared with you.
I didn't play against the scumteam until day4 when the team decided to push cosmics, and that push gave town plenty of evidence that kitaman27 and ryu were scum. Town should have lynched kitaman on day 4 and that it would have put mafia in a bad position if that had happened. I know it worked out well but luck played a big part in the day 4 and 5 lynches.
E: Maybe you could phrase it to make me sound less stupid than i actually was rather than more stupid?
I actually think the idea that you got tricked paints you in a better light than the idea that you voluntarily shared crucial information with an enemy but I will rephrase it
You knew i was masoned to the mirror, you knew that it was cosmics and then the mirror was outed in thread as a 3p recruiter. You also knew that the qt has cut off mysteriously. Also for some strange reason i didn't push a cosmics lynch on day2 despite the fact that i had told you that i intended to do so just before the qt died. If you had figured it out by yourselves with the information staring you in the face and me not saying a word i would have been shot by a "town vig" faster than a very fast car.
On March 31 2013 07:43 marvellosity wrote: yes it was a perfectly decent play, it's just the thread took a weird turn.
Like literally "the accept" line made it almost certain that VE was town. Because there's only one argument to be made that it made VE 3rd party - the WIFOM argument - "but he did that to make us THINK that he was actually town, but he's 3p!!!"
The problem is, what is the actual alternative? If VE has actually been recruited, the alternative is to say nothing at all, and it's literally impossible you get caught (outside of gosu thread analysis or something).
It's almost impossible that VE is 3p by then. Which is why I thought Ace should be mafia, because he should be clever enough to understand this. Ditto layabout and WF (who were the two biggest culprits of jumping on the wagon without thinking about the logical explanation)
??? what? It doesn't matter what VE wants to do - he can't be contacted by 3rd party and go "lol no I dont want to" and turn it down. That would just make 3rd parties useless. I've already explained why it wasn't a WIFOM argument - the prior Vet claim which for some odd reason people keep ignoring.
Once VE outs the 3rd party after already saying screw the Town in the thread who the fuck cares what motivation exist: he can be recruited. Lynch him. You're overthinking the situation.
no, you're UNDERthinking it, because you decided to lead a lynch on someone who was blatantly town.
No, he wasn't. And I've proven it several times over. If you're so confident go in the thread and show me the posts that prove he was "blatantly Town" up to that point in the game. I'll even be so kind as to ask Qatol, Ver, and Incognito to look over your proof. If 2 of 3 agree with your findings I'll wire $10,000 to your paypal account if you're so confident. This should be an easy payday since you believe you're right.
Wow, no shit really? If we all could look at the role list before playing it would be simple. Read what I said: find the posts in the game up to that point that prove he is blatantly Town. Stop being a lazy, results oriented "I told you so player" and evaluate the process. I even offered you $10,000 since you're so confident. But you know you can't and your just talking out of your ass. If a blatantly Town player is that close to getting lynched guess what? They aren't blatantly Town.
On March 31 2013 19:20 Ace wrote: Wow, no shit really? If we all could look at the role list before playing it would be simple. Read what I said: find the posts in the game up to that point that prove he is blatantly Town. Stop being a lazy, results oriented "I told you so player" and evaluate the process. I even offered you $10,000 since you're so confident. But you know you can't and your just talking out of your ass. If a blatantly Town player is that close to getting lynched guess what? They aren't blatantly Town.
He posted a QT conversation which clearly looks like he was accepting the invitation to be 3rd party.
Only town would be so careless / not think about that.
A 3p or mafia would have rigorously checked and removed anything incriminating like that.
Good god...it doesn't matter what VE does. Period. Once he gets contacted, he is recruited. This was covered ad naseum like 50 times already. You lynch him. You haven't even addressed the fact that he could do anything he wants at that point, revealing the logs don't matter for his alignment. You keep somehow ignoring the problem with his earlier Vet claim which when combined with the Mason logs and his apathy towards Town ended up getting him in trouble. I guess you also ignored the conversation in the game thread where he responded with some lie about him "outting" the Mirror to get a reaction which was summarily dismissed as fallacy. So the fact that he flipped Town didn't even match up with his actions or his post game explanation.
You can keep trying to get this money though. Go ahead.
On March 31 2013 19:29 Ace wrote: Once he gets contacted, he is recruited.
Perhaps this is the crux of the matter. -- I can understand this thought process, but the in-game mechanic does not actually reflect this line of thought.
Does this 8=====D contest really matter?
All of us can be ObsQT heroes
Hopefully u guys can duke it out in the next game, when the in-game reads actually matter.
On March 31 2013 19:29 Ace wrote: Good god...it doesn't matter what VE does. Period. Once he gets contacted, he is recruited. This was covered ad naseum like 50 times already. You lynch him. You haven't even addressed the fact that he could do anything he wants at that point, revealing the logs don't matter for his alignment. You keep somehow ignoring the problem with his earlier Vet claim which when combined with the Mason logs and his apathy towards Town ended up getting him in trouble. I guess you also ignored the conversation in the game thread where he responded with some lie about him "outting" the Mirror to get a reaction which was summarily dismissed as fallacy. So the fact that he flipped Town didn't even match up with his actions or his post game explanation.
You can keep trying to get this money though. Go ahead.
So he got hit by mafia, reveals something only town reveals, and he's not town. Ok Ace, you're a fucking pro.
Once again you didn't read the thread. This was covered already but for completeness and reading's sake I'm going to do this fully.
Veteran is one of the safest Mafia fakeclaims around. It is an almost unconfirmable role because it's passive. You can't ask the player to prove it. Hello safe claim!
So now that we know that let's get to the thread. We have no idea how much KP is around. One player dies that night. VE shows up and says he took a hit and claims Veteran.
And this is where you messed up. He didn't just say "I took a hit", he roleclaimed. Under 0 pressure. He wasn't even going to be lynched at this point in the day. So why is this important?
Because a Townie that's paying attention and is actually thinking isn't going to claim Vet here: He will just say he got hit. The Mafia know they hit him, thats why he reveals that in the thread. The Scum do not know how he survived: was it Medic? Vet? Jailkeeper? There is no point in a Townie letting that information go. But a Scum player would because they aren't thinking like that from a Town point of view: they just want to establish Town cred. Just because someone flips Town doesn't mean they didn't make a mistake. People get myslynched for stuff like this all of the time. Townies do things that Scum are more than likely to do sometimes. This was one of them.
And to make it even more concrete - the setup is 100% closed. We don't even have normal role names in the OP. This is even more incentive not to let the Scum know anything - they didn't even know Veterans existed in the game. To top it all off he ends up getting shot the next night now that they know how he survived the first time.
yeah. Newsflash: it's VE. He's been around for years. Dunno how you've missed this nugget.
It's a closed setup, but it's a 25 player game. Probably not a bold assumption that in a 25 player game, mafia have more than one KP (especially as no other KP has been revealed).
So you have VE, a known claimer, claiming the 2nd KP on night 1 when there is extremely likely to be more than 1KP from the mafia.
VE at this stage is already very likely town.
VE was interested in the game, if you didn't think so, you should have been reading the thread better.
What you're ranting about with his claim is that it's bad play. You've been playing the game long enough to know that bad play doesn't equal scumplay.
To recap: Town player who looks town claims a hit when basic assumptions lead you to believe he was hit (more than 1KP in 25 player game). Further, he then goes on to be so careless / not caring about releasing logs that incriminiate him massively, something he would never do if he had already been recruited and/or was already mafia.
Yes, all of us clearly think Mafia would have more than 1 KP. But they don't have to use all of it. I even covered this in the thread, and if they wanted to make a fake Vet claim it is entirely doable. I mean this is comical.
Look at what you just did here:
So you have VE, a known claimer, claiming the 2nd KP on night 1 when there is extremely likely to be more than 1KP from the mafia.
VE at this stage is already very likely town.
If VE is known to be a claimer then it's even better for all you meta characters if he is Scum: He does what he always does and lolz as he gets Town cred since he always claims. It doesn't even prove him is Town - it's literally at worst a null tell and even gives him cred here. You are at this moment admitting that the necessary tools for this scenario to happen exist because the player in question is known for doing it.
What you're ranting about with his claim is that it's bad play. You've been playing the game long enough to know that bad play doesn't equal scumplay.
It was bad Town play and it was Scum play. And I've even said if VE is Town he is going to be recruited so we can't even leave him alive - lynch. Do you not know how the role works??
Keep talking out of your ass though. Contact Qatol and co when you want to try and win this 10,000.
So you're saying someone Scum really wanted dead, wouldn't get double stacked. Even though the Scum QT confirms it. lol good job reading the game genius.
On March 31 2013 20:16 Ace wrote: There's no desperation over here. Just cold hard logic and $10,000. You're just mad because...well, no one knows.
I'm not mad at all, I'm just laughing because I've never seen anybody so desperately try to justify their bad wagon.
Most people are man enough to put their hands up when they tried to lynch a townie, but oh no, not Ace. Ace's *process* was right! Doesn't matter that the end result was wrong! Ace was right to try to lynch a townie! Go, Ace!
On March 31 2013 20:16 Ace wrote: There's no desperation over here. Just cold hard logic and $10,000. You're just mad because...well, no one knows.
I'm not mad at all, I'm just laughing because I've never seen anybody so desperately try to justify their bad wagon.
Most people are man enough to put their hands up when they tried to lynch a townie, but oh no, not Ace. Ace's *process* was right! Doesn't matter that the end result was wrong! Ace was right to try to lynch a townie! Go, Ace!
see I knew you'd eventually come around and see how things really work around here. Bravo!
I would like to nominate marv/ace for the drama queen award for their argument in the 2013 mafia awards thread, their interactions did nothing to convince each other of their respective points and instead made themselves into a spectacle for the rest of the TLMafia community.
On April 01 2013 13:19 Promethelax wrote: I would like to nominate marv/ace for the drama queen award for their argument in the 2013 mafia awards thread, their interactions did nothing to convince each other of their respective points and instead made themselves into a spectacle for the rest of the TLMafia community.
Is there a "2013 Meta Mafia Awards", where people award awards for stuff that happens in the "2013 Mafia Awards" thread?
If so, I'd like to nominate Promethelax for Best Play of 2013 for suggesting the creation of said thread in the first place or the use of said thread.
I'd like to nominate myself for Best Circle of the 2013 Meta Mafia Awards as well (what circle? Check OP, I have best circle)
On April 01 2013 13:19 Promethelax wrote: I would like to nominate marv/ace for the drama queen award for their argument in the 2013 mafia awards thread, their interactions did nothing to convince each other of their respective points and instead made themselves into a spectacle for the rest of the TLMafia community.
On March 31 2013 19:29 Ace wrote: Good god...it doesn't matter what VE does. Period. Once he gets contacted, he is recruited. This was covered ad naseum like 50 times already.
this is like my favorite part
that ace keeps saying this
despite, you know, it actually being wrong as proved by the setup they are talking about
like, "my setup speculation can't be wrong! The setup was wrong, not my speculation!"
you're right. We should all ignore common knowledge of how a role actually works and expect mods to change them. Next time someone claims Cop and proceeds to kill 4 Townies I guess we should just all accept it.
eh? We've allowed people to deny being recruited to 3rd parties? In a closed set up? Link me to that game. If we've allowed that to happen that is extremely bad for obvious reasons.
And why would I believe VE when the person he's getting the information from is the 3rd party - who didn't get any confirmation on how his role worked anyway?
Basically what I'm saying here is, there was quite a lot of evidence that your assumption was wrong, but instead of considering it in the game you pushed for a VE lynch and got lynche yourself because of it. And even after that happened, you're not willing to consider that your setup speculation might have been wrong. Despite the fact that it was. It's kind of entertaining. That's all I'm saying.
It wasn't setup speculation - it was role speculation which is completely different. If I see someone claim Cop, I'm expecting investigation results because thats the way Cops work. Doctors? Protections. Recruiters? people being recruited. If you want to say players shouldn't use their foreknowledge of how roles work to their advantage then so be it -but it's downright silly. You're punishing players for not only playing to their win condition but expected behavior of claimed roles in a closed set up. You have no leg to stand on here (thx Ryu!)
On April 02 2013 09:43 strongandbig wrote: You just played in it. This is the first TL game in over a year with a third party recruiter. It's not a role that is used here.
And now we know why. Maybe you should read some games on mafiascum to see how recruiters actually work.
On April 02 2013 09:41 Ace wrote: eh? We've allowed people to deny being recruited to 3rd parties? In a closed set up? Link me to that game. If we've allowed that to happen that is extremely bad for obvious reasons.
And why would I believe VE when the person he's getting the information from is the 3rd party - who didn't get any confirmation on how his role worked anyway?
The only "recruiter game" I can recall where it was in any way fucked up was callers three kingdom one where the non recruited people "ganged up" and did a neutral win.
All games I have ever seen forced whoever was recruited by third party to be recruited and thus was third party.
From what I am gathering is that VE claimed someone attempted to recruit him and Ace tried to get him lynched for being third party as there was no way VE could deny being recruited?
If thats the case I can clearly say I would have pushed a lynch on VE as well -_-
On April 02 2013 09:52 strongandbig wrote: Nah a better analogy is to speculating over whether cops can be insane or paranoid.
I don't agree. We all know Cops can come with sanities. That is expected and outside of games hosted by Caller won't break anything. Recruiters can't be denied recruiting Townies outside of special roles and/or Scum. That is essentially breaking the game when you allow it and the role. Cops usually don't do that.
On April 02 2013 09:54 strongandbig wrote: Why is punishing players for making unfounded assumptions about a closed setup a bad thing?
Let's say we're in a game and I pop up Day 2 and claim Vigilante. You say "ok Ace I don't believe you, you've gotta prove it. Shoot BloodyCobbler tonight".
Day 3 I show up and say I've got an innocent result on BC. You call me a liar.
You lynch me and I flip vigilante that can investigate a player.
The way Vigilantes actually work don't match the action of the role in any way.
You can't punish players for expecting behavior of roles - especially in a closed setup that is called Normal.
On April 02 2013 09:54 strongandbig wrote: Why is punishing players for making unfounded assumptions about a closed setup a bad thing?
how is it unfounded? If player x claims he is cop/medic/recruiter/whatever
And his claim doesn't match what the power of that role should be. Then you lynch the fucker. If I claim Cop but the guy I target dies im bullshitting If i claim medic and the guy I protect gets roleblocked im bullshitting If i claim recruiter and the guys I target don't get recruited I am bullshitting
Obviously in this case the guy being recruited said he could deny it but my first instinct given any knowledge of the role (I also like checking previous games / mafiascum to get an idea how a role i have never seen should work) then you lynch him barring some insane circumstance.
And before you say I wouldn't get lynched for it. I recall playing a game where I called out mattchew for claiming self aware miller in a normal setup and until mods came out and confirmed no millers were self aware I was just as likely or more likely to get lynched than he was.
Using setup or role knowledge to push lynches is sensible and if the person can give a solid reason (or you are playing a heavy theme game from hosts like caller) then the guy gets lynched.
On April 02 2013 09:42 strongandbig wrote: Basically what I'm saying here is, there was quite a lot of evidence that your assumption was wrong, but instead of considering it in the game you pushed for a VE lynch and got lynche yourself because of it. And even after that happened, you're not willing to consider that your setup speculation might have been wrong. Despite the fact that it was. It's kind of entertaining. That's all I'm saying.
there was no evidence for it btw.
I would strongly suggest not making these claims unless you've read/played the game yourself. If you have, then I apologize, but you are just wrong.
The summary of the situation is this:
VE gets masoned by 3P VE declines the recruit by leaving the QT but tells the 3P that he accepts. VE posts these logs in the thread and tells the town that he is still town.
So, he tells town that he is still town, but he told the 3P that he accepted the recruit, and the evidence is in the thread for everyone to see.
Confirmed liar. Town should ordinarily kill him on the spot, since by the evidence in the thread it would appear that he was recruited. The only thing that says otherwise is VE's word, which clearly cannot be trusted.
e: also Ace ended up getting lynched because town was full of sheep and lack of rational and cohesive thought.
The simple fact is that neither VE nor Ace should ever have been lynched, but based on what happened in the thread, it would be completely justified for a VE lynch to happen. VE fucked up, he should have been punished for it.
I think perhaps based on his reputation, VE is known to do these kinds of things, and so he got a slip. However, if a townie known to act rationally/be good at scum had done this, they would have instantly been lynched. VE (IMO) got a pass because sometimes his play is somewhat irrational.
The Ace lynch was simply a classic example of a townie getting mislynched for saying controversial things, and there being no defense either on his part or on the part of others. That can be attributed to Ace not having enough time to deal with a very overactive day 2, and town not being able to see the game from his perspective. Add to that a bit of scum encouragement and you can see why he was mislynched.
I do not think that Ace did anything wrong in this situation.
I followed the game up until the point that Ace got lynched, and I would have voted for Viscera.
Incidentally, marvel said something about how as an actual third party VE would have removed the part where he accepted? Two explanations: he either just forgot to remove it or he intentionally left it in because he thought he could twist it around/nobody would care (I forget the name but there was some all-smurf game where mafia instead of having a normal night kill assumed the identity of the dead person and in that game after losing his only partner day 1, VE intentionally slipped and acted like his original self and said post-game that he thought he could use it as a trap).
On April 02 2013 10:22 HiroPro wrote: I followed the game up until the point that Ace got lynched, and I would have voted for Viscera.
Incidentally, marvel said something about how as an actual third party VE would have removed the part where he accepted? Two explanations: he either just forgot to remove it or he intentionally left it in because he thought he could twist it around (I forget the name but there was some all-smurf game where mafia instead of having a normal night kill assumed the identity of the dead person and in that game after losing his only partner day 1, VE intentionally slipped and acted like his original self and said post-game that he thought he could use it as a trap).
right, and I think this is important:
the situation is indistinguishable from a situation in which VE actually has accepted. There is literally nothing there that would be different.
He accepts, becomes third party, comes back to the thread and tells the town, hey yo, I'm town but I got masoned by this third party recruiter guy. Still town.
Had he removed the part about "I accept" or even replaced it with "I decline your offer" then town might even keep him alive because "oh it's unlikely he faked those logs" or whatever reason they can come up with. So the argument "well why wouldn't he as third party simply choose not to mention the mason" doesn't hold much water, when it could be argued that actually mentioning it (and lying) has the potential to make him super-likely town in the eyes of many townies.
Essentially what I'm saying is that you can do what I did in SS mafia. As it was a PM game, about five seconds into the game I messaged sandroba on skype (I was scum, he was town) and fakeclaimed to him within a few minutes of talking to him.
Most of you will say "but scum would never take that risk!" and that's exactly what I was counting on sandroba to do. Thankfully, he did exactly that, and considered me very townie until he confirmed basically everyone through roles, and decided to check me just to be safe.
The argument "but scum would never take that risk" seems great until you get a scum who is actually willing to take that risk. VE is definitely one of those players with the balls to do something like that.
I think with recruiting mechanics, you have to reevaluate your lynch priorities.
Lynch all liars cannot apply in a game with a cult recruiter.
Imagine a scenario where the cultist recruits the strongest townie in the thread, the recruited player starts spewing nonsense and lies and the town lynches the recruited player. Rinse and repeat.
Town is going to get nowhere fast if this cycle continues.
If the town felt that VE was mafia or the cult leader, then a VE lynch is fine. If town felt VE was a recruited third party, then a VE lynch is far less ideal.
Ohhhhh .... this is the same thing that happened in Personality 1 !
The inconfirmability of whether VE actually was recruited or not neuters his outing as an alignment indicative action. Especially so since VE is a player who could be comfortable doing that.
FWIW, I honestly thought VE was scum up until I masoned him, and had I not been the 3rd party I probably would have pushed him as others did this game.
On April 02 2013 23:02 slOosh wrote: Ohhhhh .... this is the same thing that happened in Personality 1 !
The inconfirmability of whether VE actually was recruited or not neuters his outing as an alignment indicative action. Especially so since VE is a player who could be comfortable doing that.
FWIW, I honestly thought VE was scum up until I masoned him, and had I not been the 3rd party I probably would have pushed him as others did this game.
How about I get an award for that shit hey! Fuck I mean it's taken up half the Awards thread already. Maybe an award for "Largest Waste of Time and Thought and Posts of All Time"
What do you say? Give me an award and shut up about it?
I nominate Austinmcc for the following in Best Role Claim: Austinmcc had not been playing particularly stellar. He had coasted by until the endgame, but his team had already shafted him completely by D2 by conspicuously not hammering him D1 (and the fact that he was in a position to be hammered D1 says something about his play so far). Anyway, crazy stuff was happening and austin significantly picked up his play during most of D2.
Being a PTP, pretty much everybody was dead by the time D3 rolled around and it was a 3-1-1 situation with the 3P already claimed, so just 1 more scum to find. Then this happened:
On July 01 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: Seriously though, either no-lynch or lynch kita (sorry kita), and then ... I probably lose. Unless crossfire blew all that crap you said existed. Would you like to tell me what powers of his are remaining?
Austin claims scum. Terrible right? Except it was a stroke of genius. Kita was a known dayvig who had played anti-town all game. By claiming scum, austin could now freely post parts of the scumQT incriminating Kita, who had been masoned with another scum. He could also argue about how nightkill roulette with Xfire's amazing powers were a better bet than being stuck with an unstoppable dayvig the next day. It worked, Kita was lynched, and austin won the nightkill roulette!
I nominate gonzaw for the following in Best Town Role Idea: Honestly, it's not a town role idea in PTP, but seeing as xfire (the receiver of the role) was town, it fits better here than any other category:
On July 04 2013 02:46 gonzaw wrote: Shit about my role:
"You are the Wanderer. You don't know your name, you don't know your past. You only know your path, the one you've been walking since you have memory It was a couple of hours ago when you woke up with that terrible headache, and couldn't remember anything at all. You put your hands in your pocket, and found 3 things:
A photo of a little girl: looks like she's ten Some sort of gun: Doesn't have any bullets A rubber duck: Seems it's missing its eye
You woke up in a deserted hospital, in a deserted city. Your head felt dizzy, so you took some aspirins, some first aid kit stuff and left the hospital. You decided to search the city, both for supplies....and for clues about your past
Role Info: You'll be playing a ""story"". Your role is to uncover more of this story so you can get powerful abilities in the long run. You can use abilities by using the items that come to your possession. You start with 3 items: The photo, the empty gun and the rubber duck. You can only use 1 item at night, and once used it disappears.
To gain items, you'll have to play the story. Every cycle, you'll receive a PM from your host about an ""Event"" in the story This is a continuation of the story of The Wanderer, and at the end of it you will always be given a choice. There are always 2 choices to choose (which depend on the story). However, at certain times, if you have specific items in your possession, you can unlock a hidden 3rd option where you can use said item instead of choosing one of the previous options (using this item will consume it, so you won't be able to use it at night). Depending which of the 2 (or potentially more) options you choose, the story will change, and as the story changes and continues you can receive new items once the event ends (once you make a choice and PM the host back, he'll PM you the resolution of your choice, and PM you any items you gained).
If you don't send a choice for an event after the cycle is over, then the host will PM the same event again until you do (you won't be able to advance the story nor receive new items, so be sure to answer every choice to every event every cycle if you can)
Try to survive until N3 to experience the ending of the story! Once the story ends, you won't receive any more events nor items.
Initial Items:
Rubber Duck: After using this item, you can choose 2 targets, and any action done on one of them will be done on the other one, and viceversa Empty Gun: After using this item, you can RB a player of your choice this night Photo of girl: After using this item, you can protect yourself from 1 KP this night"""
You walk through the desolated streets of the big city. You seem to notice people hiding in the shadows of the alleys, seemingly afraid of going into the light. You continue walking, looking at the empty buildings around you. Seems like this city was abandoned some time ago, and only a few people lurk in the darkness within. You come across a store. It seems it was sacked a lot of times, and there is debris all around the entrance. You decide to go in to get some supplies. You've been drifted in thought so long you haven't noticed your left arm was numb the whole time, and you can barely even walk. It seems you were asleep in that hospital bed for quite a while. You enter the store, and you can still see some fresh items. Seems some people WERE indeed here few time ago. You take some beans and other supplies, and you put them in a bag you found in said store. You decide to rest a little bit... ...you suddenly wake up and hear a noise, it's quite a noise actually. You go to the entrance and see a bunch of punks outside breaking more stuff. You count 4 of them. You pay little notice so you come back inside. However one of them sees you, stops the rest and comes inside. "Hey, hey you!" he shouts. "Have I met you before?" he says, but you don't say a word. "Answer me dumbass!" he screams at you. "I think not, I don't remember much actually" you say. "I know him Yoz!" one of them says, and whispers something into the ears of the guy that came in first. "Really? ... yes yes I remember. I wonder how you survived, but you won't survive again you ****ing piece of shit!" Yoz says, and all of them lunge towards you. What do you do?:
You decide to stay and fight them. Yoz throws a punch but you dodge it. You punch one of his henchmen in the face and he drops down cold. Another henchmen manages to punch you in the gut, taking your breath away. Yoz gains the upper hand as well and punches you in the face, but you punch back, stunning him. However, your weak body can't withstand much of the fight, and they outnumber you, so you end up receiving more punches and kicks than the ones you give. After minutes, you end up being beaten on the floor. After it's obvious they won the fight, Yoz takes out a gun "Finally I'm going to get my revenge! You destroyed everything I had!" he said "....well, although I can't say I'm not enjoying my new life, haha!" He looks at the others and they all laugh He starts raising his gun to shoot you, when a siren is heard. "Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble and leave the store in a heartbeat.
You lay down in pain for a few minutes, until you hear lots of steps outside. "You there, stand up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" Someone pokes you with a baton it seems, and you manage to stand up. "Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He pokes you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them. "Who...who are you?" You say. "This dude seems to have taken quite a beating to not know who we are! Haha" Some of them laugh
"This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said You stay quiet and leave the store. They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside.
Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them. But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past? You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you.
This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life.
You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength. You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning, hopefully your wounds would have healed up by then <You received no new items>
They outnumber you, so you decide to run. You run to the back of the store and they run after you. After a frantic chase up the stairs of the back of the store, you end up on the roof. You don't have place to run, so you hide behind the water tank. You hear Yoz and his dudes arrive at the rooftop. What are you going to do? You hear him calling out for you, and you hear his friends coming closer as well.
"I'll have your life for what you did to me! I'll finally have my revenge!" Yoz said.
But that's when you hear a siren. "Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble go down the stairs. You see them going off the back of the store and leap some walls to run away.
You stand up and see the other side of the store: You see a lot of what seems to be soldiers, all dressed in white army armor, with a white mask/helmet covering their entire face. Before you come down the stairs though, you see a police badge on the floor of the rooftop. "How would this get here?". "Might be of some use later", you put it in your pocket. After that you come down the stairs to see what those soldiers want. As soon as you come down, what appears to be the main commander of the group of soldiers turns to you
"You there, hurry up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" You stop and stare at him. "Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He tells you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them.
"Who are you? Are you the police?" you say. "What have you been smoking? How do you not know who we are? haha" some of them laugh "This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said. You stay quiet and leave the store. You notice they aren't wearing any badges like the on you encountered before. Maybe they aren't the police at all.
They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside. Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them, specially since they didn't have any badges. But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past?
You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you. This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life.
You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength. You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning. <You have received: A Police Badge>
Police Badge: After using this item, you can check the alignment of one player of your choice. You'll receive back TOWN or NOT TOWN
After gaining your strengths, you decide to continue your journey. You come across a bar, and decide to see if there's any supplies in. You knock on the door of the bar, and a female voice answers "Who is this?" "I just want some food and shelter for a while please" "Are you WYM?" She says. "Who? I'm not a WYM whatever that means" you tell her. "Good good, come in then" she opens the door.
"Hi, my name is Lina" she says. She's a young woman with brown hair, although has quite dirt on her clothes and hair. "Hi, sorry but I can't remember my name, I just woke up from the hospital yesterday" you tell her. "Oh poor you! Do you remember anything else?" she asks. "No, nothing" you tell her. She gets you a drink and some food, and you tell her about what happened in the store back then. "It seems you had a close encounter with Yoz's gang then, how did you escape?" "Some guys in white armor came and scared them away. I thought they were police or something, but they didn't seem like it" you said
"Oh, those were the WYM" she said. "They stand for White Youth Movement, and they rule the place, and basically all places" "They think themselves as revolutionaries and saviors, but they are as bad, if not worse, than the previous people in charge" she said, and then sighed. "So they weren't in charge all the time?" You asked. "No, there was a general government before. This was like 2-3 years ago, I was 16 then"
"Before there was this war between the government and these rebels. They were lead by a guy called Stein, who is their leader". "At some point, the rebels won, then called themselves WYM and started destroying everything in their path". She points outside "This city is like this because of them. The whole country is in a similar state as well. When they first arrive to a city, they sack every store, they take every family that resists away and they are never seen again, they destroy buildings with RPGs and granades just to have fun"...she paused... "it's horrible"
She starts sobbing "I lost my dad when they first attacked this city 2 years ago, I remember it as clear as day". "I ....I'm sorry..." that's the only thing you could say. "Thanks. Well, we learnt to live now, we stay clear of the streets at day to not cross paths with them, and try to live with whatever we can" she said.
After a long pause, you dared ask her "Do you know anything about that hospital I was in? Or anything that I might need to know to figure out what happened to me?" She stopped to think for a second "Well, that hospital was up and running until a few days ago. Over the last year most doctors left to try their luck in another city. Only a couple of nurses were left, I assume those were the ones that were healing you" She continued "But there was a bombing 2 days ago there and everybody left for good....Thank god we have good Ol' Frank around the corner to heal our wounds and treat us, if not we would all die from diseases now that the hospital is out".
"Thanks, I guess I can't find any info there then"... ..after a little silence she said "Wait, you could go to the Central Station and find anything out". "It's a WYM station, and I doubt they can tell you much, but my friend Roshi there can tell you more about what happened to you..." she said "Really? How could he know what happened to me?" you responded in return "Well...it seems you were in a pretty bad fight to be put into that hospital, you even have scars of bullets all over your body!" She pointed at your chest, you haven't really noticed those scars before. "If there was a big fight any time soon, he should know about it, he knows all the underground and shady stuff. Just tell him Lina sent you".
"I'm very grateful, Lina. Thank you for your service, and don't worry I'll come back once I figure out some things, I'm sure I can help you out in your situation" you told her "Nah, don't worry, it was my pleasure!" ..."wait, before you go..." she said, leapt out of her chair and went behind the bar, she seemed to be looking for something. "It's quite dangerous out there....one of these might help you survive longer out there.....hmm, where is it" she kept throwing stuff around, until she finally came out from beneath the bar, with 2 items on her hands. "You might need this to protect yourself, take one. I might need the other one to protect myself so you can't take both!" In the table, there was something that seemed like a tazer of sorts, and a baseball bat "Thank you Lina, this will be great help" What do you do?
"Nice! That will surely keep the bad guys out of your reach!" Lina took the tazer and put it back under the bar. "Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said.
"Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door.
Armed with a baseball bat, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now
[If player chose (1) on A][ It'll be time for "your" revenge on him, after that beating you took, there's no doubt about it] [If player chose (2) on A][ They got away back at the rooftop, but you know you'll see them again, and this seems enough to hold them back.]
You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high. It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about. <You have received: A Baseball Bat>
Baseball Bat: After using this item, you can hit a player of your choice. That player will die after the NEXT night cycle ends.
Nice! That will surely shock anybody trying to get near you!" Lina took the baseball bat and put it back under the bar. "Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said. "Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door.
Armed with the tazer, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now
You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high. It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about. <You have received: A Tazer> Tazer: After using this item, if anybody visits you that night, they will die (his action on you will still go through though)
You see a couple of those white soldiers guarding the door. As you cross the door you can see them turning their heads to see you. Maybe they recognize you? But you don't remember seeing them back in the store (those guys must still be there).
The hall is huge, and there is a single long white desk going all across the hall from left to right. There are lots of receptionists, all dressed, in white, all along it.
You go to one of them. "Excuse me..." you say. "Yes..?" the receptionists says, with a grumpy face. She clearly doesn't want to be your friend. "Hi, I'd like to know if I could get a record of what happened at that hospital down the road..." Before you could finish the sentence she shouted "No queries with no authorization!" then she slammed her hand on the desk. "Consult with your Mediator for authorization for that kind of information sir! If you don't have a Mediator we can initiate the process of assigning one to you, you'll have to come here back in 1 month, and deposit 10000 yules and wait for further instructions..." "...pardon me, but what is a mediator...and what are yules?" you ask her, not knowing any of that stuff. "Yules is the new national currency. It was created by the WYM after they overthrew the corrupt government 2 years ago, and has lead to the most stable economy in the world. A Mediator is the WYM representative that is assigned to every involved citizen, to make sure they follow the correct procedures and have the proper authorization...and have the proper coin to get their permits and processes and..." You interrupted her before she could finish "I understand, thank you for your help".
You left the table. Clearly you wouldn't get any answers here. You went back outside; the same guards guarding the door. This time you tried going around the block, seeing if you could find any alley where you could find this "Roshi".
You went around the block for minutes (it's just that big), until you encounter a little crevice by the side. You squeeze into it, and manage to get into a dark room, lit by some torches on the sides. "Hold on, who are you and what do you want?" You hear a voice coming from the dark. "I'm looking for Roshi, Lina sent me" you respond back... ...you don't hear anything for a while, and then you hear a door open. "If Lina sent you then you must be cool. Come on in! My name is Robert Shinodi, they call me 'Roshi' for short..." a black man with a white mohawk appeared in the threshold of the door. Beyond the door you could see a very lit room.
You stepped in, you could see some high people sitting in some couches inside. "Tell me, so why did Lina sent you here?" he said "I need to find out what happened to me. I was in an accident or big fight some time ago it seems, and I woke up a couple of days ago, but I can't remember anything" you told him. "Hmm, where you by any chance at that hospital down the road?" he asked. "Yes, yes I was!" you responded back. "Well, I have bad news for you then..." he sat down on a couch before continuing. "It seems to me you were in the Big Massacre of '73", he paused, "2 years ago there was a fight between the big mafia family, and some other minor mafia scum I think, and they basically obliterated each other. Only very few survived, and it seems you were one of them. After that happened the WYM took their chance and raided the place, executing any mafia member left alive".
"I....was in the mafia?" "Apparently. Why? Does that surprise you?" he said "Well..yeah. Can you tell me more about them?" "Yes. They were lead by the big Boss Borini. Lucas Borini. He was the head of the mafia family. He controlled everything in the city, no cop could ever even come near him."
He continued "They controlled all the organized crime in the city, controlled all the drug deals going on, and all the attacks to gangs and families of other cities". "He was pretty powerful, until one day he died in that fight. The only known survivors were a group of his men who escaped. They are dirty thugs now destroying everything they see. Their leader is called Yoz". "Yoz? I met that guy back in a store down the road, he seemed to recognize me and wanted me dead. You say he was part of this mafia as well?" you said "Yes, he was Borini's right hand. Seems you did something back then when you were part of the family to piss him off, ya?" He said.
"I need to find Yoz, I need to get some answers from him no matter what it gets" you said. Yoz is the only link to your past life you had. "That won't be hard, I'm sure he's looking for you already. The WYM are also on his back, ever since 2 years ago they've wanted to get rid of him" Roshi said.
....you suddenly felt a chill down your body. There was something weird in the air, like a weird smell, or maybe it was cold. Your mind couldn't really determine what it made you feel that way, nor it had the time, because in the split of an eye you heard a shot, and then you saw Roshi's head fall to the side, and then Roshi felt to the ground.....he was shot in the head.
Chaos followed, with all the other people in the room running for their lives. That was when you saw Yoz coming from behind a corner "So you were in coma this whole time? Huh, then too bad you'll live so shortly after waking up. I'll make you pay for your treason" Yoz said. "Wait! I need to know what happened! What happened in the Big Massacre?...wait, "treason"? I didn't betray anybody!" you responded "You betrayed the boss, and you betrayed me. You were an undercover agent tasked with joining our ranks, and destroying the family from within. You killed the boss!" he said, before shooting you in the arm. It hurt...it hurt really bad.
You can't believe everything he's saying. You just found out you were a mafia, and now you find out you were an undercover cop as well? Surely this can't be true...however, it's not time to ponder, you have to escape, you can't fight Yoz while he has a gun.
You start running down the corridors of this weird place, while Yoz is on your back. The place seems to have turns and turns and corners and corners, which dont' seem to stop. You hear Yoz franticly very close behind you. You also hear other shots, most likely Yoz's men wrecking havok in the original hall you were in.
After running and running, you see a light. You go through a threshold, and you appear right back at the big hall of the Central Station. You even see the same receptionists and everything. You have little time to think, because Yoz shortly emerges from the door "Die for ****'s sake" he starts shooting you. You duck, but he hits a receptionists. The WYM soldiers come in and start shooting at Yoz, who takes cover behind the long desk. You take a run for it and enter an office to the side. You lock it behind you. You hear shots outside, Yoz and WYM are fighting each other.
You notice a window in the office, you could use it to momentarily escape, it's dangerous out there in the hall. However you need some answers from Yoz! You can't just leave like that! What do you do?
1)Escape through the window 2)Go out to the hall [If Player has the Empty Gun] 3)Use Empty Gun
You can't risk your life like this. You escape through the window. You hear more gunshots, but soon they fade. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street. The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes.
The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird.
You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him. You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.
You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received no new items>
You open the door, start screaming off the top of your lungs, and lunge at the desk. Yoz hears you and starts opening fire at you, but you manage to tackle him. Both of you start struggling and fighting, all the while the WYM are across the hall firing back.
You manage to punch Yoz in the face and kick the gun off to a side. "I didn't betray anyone! Tell me exactly what happened! you yelled at him "I'll tell you anything you want to know...over your grave!" he yelled back.
You and Yoz kept struggling, and both of you keep punching each other off. Suddenly, both of you break off, Yoz takes his gun and points it at you, and pulls the trigger....*click* empty. Puzzled, Yoz puts the gun to his face, then screams in anger and runs away. You chase him, first across another big hall, then up some stairs. Yoz then goes inside a utility door, and you follow through. He starts climbing up a ladder and you follow, he opens a door and you both arrive at the rooftop of the Central Station.
"You have nowhere to run Yoz" you say "I have more tricks up my sleeve, you scumbag!" he says "I'm going to get more answers out of you, even if I have to beat them out of your skull" you scream back at him. "I want to see you try! The boss was very pleased with you. You always finished all the drug deals, you sent "messages" to people without hesitation. But I knew something was wrong the MOMENT I saw you. AND I WAS RIGHT. You were an undercover cop or agent or whatever, and you came and killed the boss. I almost got to kill you, but those damned couldn't let me finish you!" he finished
"What are you talking about?" you said "Nothing, we'll meet again" he said, then he run off the rooftop, leapt off the side and landed on the roof of a building on the other side of the road.
After a few moments the WYM soldiers arrived. They went to the ledge of the roof, but couldn't jump to the other roof to pursue Yoz. After that they took a look at you, and then they started talking to the radio. "Anything wrong...?" you asked. They didn't answer, and kept talking. After they finished talking, they approached you "Take this to heal your wounds, now be gone!".
They handed you a first aid kit, then turned around and left. "This is so strange..." you thought to yourself. Why would they let you go just like that? And on top of that give you aid? Something's wrong.
You go down the stairs, to the main hall, and exit the building You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him again.
You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.
You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received: A First Aid Kit> First Aid Kit: After using this item, you can save a player of your choice from 1 KP
Before opening you door, you check your gun. Empty as always. However, you decide to check the drawers, just in case. You start checking them as fast as you can. It takes you quite a lot of time, and after opening almost all of them you feel defeated. However you decide to open the last one...and then you find what you were looking for: bullets. You decide to load the gun with them, but suddenly you hear no more shots....it's silent.
You open the door very closely, and take a peek..Yoz is nowhere to be seen, and neither are the WYM soldiers. Well, at least you didn't waste the bullets you just found, they may prove useful later. One receptionist is dead, and the other ones are running away screaming. Maybe Yoz tried to escape and the WYM chased him.
You decide to go outside the front door. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street. The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes.
The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird.
You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him.
You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.
You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received: A Gun> Gun: After using this item, you can kill a player of your choice (1 KP)
You entered the school. It seemed so familiar. You can vaguely remember the faces of the students there. Then you get another flashback: You are in the hall, and there's a teenager there with you. He seems troubled, and you seem to try and confort him. He then turns his head away and runs away, and you look troubled. You regain your composure again.....yes....you remember now, you were a teacher in this school, way before.
You enter a classroom, and you see the blackboard with something written on it "..sky, the best". Seeing those letters, seeing that classroom...now you remember everything.
You were no cop, or undercover spy, you were a teacher at this school. You were Arthur Trotsky, junior high teacher. You had a normal life, you remember your wife Emily, and your son Titus. You remember you taught class in this classroom, and you remember your students very well. You loved your students, and they loved you back, but they came from troubled families, and were pushed into dealing with the mafia. You knew this, and that's why you tried to help them. They got into drugs, some were even working for the mafia dealing drugs themselves. But they couldn't help it, and you knew that.
You remember some more...you remember that one day you went to one of the mafia thugs dealing drugs to your students, and asked him for some work. You wanted to protect your students, you tried infiltrating the mafia so you could stop everything from within so they could be free of the mafia and live a normal life. How naive of you...
Your life....your family...your wife, your son. You remember where you used to live as well.
You leave the school, and walk home.
After a few minutes, you arrive....it's destroyed, just as everything else. You wonder, what happened to your family? It's been 2 years, hopefully they've escaped or are safe.
You look around, but you can't find any clues. Everything of worth was already stolen, even the photographs
[If Player has Rubber Duck] [ You go to the bathroom. You take the rubber duck out of your pocket. You remember this as well, this was your son's favourite duck, he always used to use it when taking a bath! ]
You decide to search a little bit more for supplies, or something What do you do?
1)Search the kitchen 2)Search the bedroom [If Player has Rubber Duck] 3)User Rubber Duck
You search the kitchen, see if you can find any supplies, or any other clues about your past life. There is nothing in the fridge or in the drawers, not even knives. However, on the front of the fridge there is a drawing....a drawing your son made.
It has his mommy and his daddy, under a purple house, under the sun. You try to hold back the tears....what if you never meet him again?
The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up
You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Drawing > Drawing: After using this item, you can pardon someone from the lynch the next day
You search the bedroom. You see some old clothes lying around..they are from your wife. Will you ever see her again? Feel her soft touch upon your cheeks? You feel like you'll never see her again, after all, where could she be? Where could your son be? They could be anywhere, they could even be de....no, you don't want to think about that, you just remembered about them, you can't just find out they died, they HAVE to be alive somewhere...
You also notice a cellphone over the bed table. It was your wife's as well. You take it. It may not seem so useful, it has no batteries...but you never know.
The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up
You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Cellphone > Cellphone: After using this item, choose 1 player, and you'll be able to communicate with that player for the remainder of the next phase (Day+Night cycle)
You go to the bathroom and put the rubber duck on the bottom of it. Now you start crying, what if you'll never see your son again? You spend some time alone in that bathroom, waiting, maybe waiting your family will come back, maybe waiting your students will come back as well, and everything will be alright.
After some time...you notice something shiny on the bottom of the bath: a coin. It may not be useful now in this world...but who knows, maybe it will be useful some time, for somebody else.
The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up
You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Coin > Coin: After using this item, you can choose any player of your choice. You'll be able to steal that player's vote for the next day.
You follow Yoz's man down the road, until you arrive at an old building. "Go inside mate, d' boss is waiting for ya'" he said. You enter the decrepit building. Every step you make the whole framework croaks, it feels like it could crumble in any second now.
After walking through a small passageway, you enter a huge room. It seems like an old ball room, it has a huge staircase going upstairs, with balconies on the sides. In the balconies above it's full of men...Yoz men. There's also quite a big checkered floor...and Yoz in the middle of it.
"Where is my family!?" you yell at him. "If you want anything with me let me see my family first!". "Haha".. he says... "I'm afraid I can't do that Arthur" "What are you talking about? Explain yourself!" you scream back at him "Well...you see, I can't show you your family...because your family is already DEAD"
... Your heart sunks into your chest. You gasp for air, but you can't seem to find any... ....few moments ago you finally remembered your family, you finally realized the beautiful life you had...only for it to be taken away so quickly.. Seconds seem like years, you seem frozen in time, not knowing how to react.
"Wh..why...how...when...." you mumble. "Yes, I killed them" Yoz said. "I knew you were and undercover agent, but the boss wouldn't listen. However, I decided to take matters into my own hands and killed your family, as deserved punishment for your treason!" he started laughing.
"You...you monster....i'll kill you" you couldn't contain your rage anymore
"Funny, because that's exactly what you tried to do! You came back to the hideout and started shooting everybody. You shot down most of our guards and went into the big boss' room. You demanded his blood for murdering your family, just like now! ahahah" he kept laughing.
"..." you just kept staring at him with wrath "The boss took a shot off you, and you stayed down. But then from the floor you shot the boss on the back and he fell dead. Then you took a shot at me but I already started gathering my men and leaving; with the boss down I was on my own and wouldn't risk my life. You were going to die anyways."
"It was afterwards they came. Those damn WYM ruining the party. That was the day they started that revolt of theirs or whatever. They stormed in the hideout and slaughtered everybody that remained. Luckily me and my men were already out by then, and you and the boss dead, so we left all that behind......but apparently I was wrong about you."
"...I'm going to finish what I should have done 2 years ago, you won't get alive out of this one Yoz" you say, this time in a calm, firm voice. You know what has to be done.
"Bring it on!" He said
As soon as he finishes, you throw yourself at him, like a lion. He tries to aim with his gun, but before he can pull the trigger you already jump and tackle him. You throw a punch at him and connect. He throws another one, but you dodge it. You start pouncing at him with all your might. He seems surprised at your newly found strength, and is overwhelmed by it. One of his men come down the stairs and grabs you from behind. Yoz calmly stands up, then punches you in the gut
"Looks like you can put up a fight huh? Haha" he laughs, while his men are holding you back
[If Player has the Photo][ In between the struggle, it seems you dropped the photo of that little girl you had with you.
"Hmm, let's see what we have here" Yoz said, and picked up the photo "Haha, I can't believe you still have this!" he said. "Wanna know a little fun story? Well, fun for me, you may not like it" he continued. "There was this kid I think you knew, who was with us. He was one of the guards of the boss. When you came in guns blazing, you didn't notice him and shot him dead, so so dead!" he started laughing again
"You had to look at yourself after shooting that poor kid! The look of your face! You just shot your student or whatever! haha".
You then remember. You remember the flashback you had at the school with that student, that kid. He was the one you wanted to protect all along, the one that made you "join" the mafia in the first place. But you were in a frenzy, your wife and infant son were murdered, and everybody that was with them was the enemy. You didn't notice him, you just noticed a mafia guard with a gun, so you took the shot. After the shot you noticed it was your student. After killing him, you went and looked into his pocket, and found that photo...a photo of his sister.
In that moment of heat, in that split second you had to analyse what had happened, you bowed to take that girl as your own daughter, it would be the least you could do after the atrocity you did...
...but then you were shot, and left for dead and you were in a coma for 2 years. What could be of that girl in these 2 years? Anything could have happened to her, but she had no brother, you robbed her from that... ...you think maybe you deserve what happened to you, but....no....Yoz and Borini the Mafia boss are to blame. They coerced your students into taking the thug life, they murdered your family, they put your student in that uniform with that gun...
...most of them already paid with their lives, but there is one more. No matter how much you blame yourself, you can't rest easy until Yoz is finally put where he belongs...
"No words, huh? Oh well, not like you are going to need them soon or anything, haha" Yoz said ]
But before Yoz could say anything else, you see a grenade rolling to Yoz's side, then you hear a big explosion. Debris starts flying everywhere, and Yoz and his men fall to the floor. You hear that siren you heard before....the WYM. What a coincidence, it wasn't a long time ago the WYM rescued you from a similar situation back in the store.
You hear shots flying everywhere, and screams of Yoz men. You roll to the side and hide behind a little fountain. Yoz is stumbling over his feet and is trying to get on top of the stairs, still hurt from that grenade.
After a few moments, the coast is clear, this is your chance What do you do?
1)Follow him stealthily to where he's going and confront him later 2)Quickly get to him and confront him right now [If Player has the Gun] 3)Use Gun
You decide to play it safe. There are bullets flying everywhere right now, it wouldn't be wise to confront him in the main ball room. You crouch and silently follow him up the stairs. He starts tumbling from side to side
He keeps going through a hallway, and into room. You follow him in, and you arrive outside, where Yoz is trying to get into a car. Right then you start running towards him. You won't be merciful now, you want him dead, and will try to do so as quick as possible. You tackle him again, but this time you go to his gun. Yoz is still stunned by the previous explosions and he can barely fight. You have nothing to lose right now, your past is gone, your family is dead, you are only fuelled by revenge, and that alone gives you enough strength to keep fighting. You 2 keep struggling until you subdue Yoz and take his gun. You quickly get on your feet and point the gun at him. Your eyes are wide open, your mouth open gasping for air, your chest beating rapidly, you can barely focus. You hear Yoz say something to you. You faintly hear something along the lines of "...you will not find..." and "..they won't come back, you know ..." and you hear him laughing.
There's nothing else to do, no speech to give, nothing else to listen to....you pull the trigger, and Yoz falls to the ground.
With the WYM wiping the rest of Yoz men inside the Yard, you take the car keys from Yoz's corpse, get into the car, and drive...and drive... You get out of the city, hoping to never set foot on it again.
You may never recover from this....but it seems this was your fate. You are the Wanderer, cursed to wander, cursed to forget, now cursed to remember. You'll carry that curse as your own skin, because it's what you are now, it's what you've become.
ENDING A. The Path of the Wanderer <You have received: A Car > Car: After receiving this item, you can hide behind another player, so if any actions are directed at you, they are instead directed that that player.
You have no time to lose, you run towards Yoz as soon as you can. Before he gets halfway through the stairs, you tackle him down again. Both of you start rolling down the stairs. Yoz can barely stay up, and that's when you punch him, and keep punching him, and keep punching him. You are momentarily deaf from the ongoing explosions and battle, and in your rage your vision faults you The only thing you can feel is the pain of your fists...the pain and the wetness.
After a couple of seconds, you suddenly stop. Yoz's head is a bloody pulp in the floor. You look around, there's no more whistling... All of Yoz's men are dead, and the WYM soldiers are standing right beside you.
After a little while, you hear steps coming over to you. You look up, and see a tall imposing figure.. "Good job lad, we couldn't have tracked Yoz without you" the man said. "My name is Christian Stein. But maybe you know me for being the leader of the WYM." He said and extended his hand over to you to pick you up. You took his hand and stood up, but you could barely speak any words "Good job to you too for saving me before" "No problem! Ha" he laughed. "For your actions you deserve a reward. Here have this" he said, and he took something out of his back. It was a pile of cash, and a ticket to the local casino.. "You deserve some rest, have some fun!" He started to walk away from you, but suddenly he stopped in his tracks and asked you "Hey, you didn't seem to recognize me, did you?" "No, this is the first time I meet you" you respond back "Oh, haha!" he laughed. "I'm not used to people NOT knowing me around this town!. Stay safe, and be sure to not get into trouble." he added
"I'll have a personal guard of WYM guards near you at all times, I don't want anything bad to happen to you!" after adding that, he kept walking and left the room. "Thanks..I guess?" you said, not knowing how else to react.
Some of his men escorted you out of the building into their jeep. Soon you arrived at the casino, and they escorted you to your room. You took a nice long shower, went downstairs to eat some snacks, and played some roulette. You certainly felt lighter, and better. You take a look at the front door of the casino, and the WYM guards start looking at you with what seems disgust, and also had a playful look on them. You pay little notice, as you pour down another drink and keep playing.
You won't be able to have a normal life, but at least you can drown your sorrows and spend the rest of your remaining miserable life in bliss, and maybe...just maybe, you might find solace in this bleak world.
ENDING B. The Path of Submission <You have received: A Casino Ticket > Casino Ticket: After using this item, you can buy the next day's lynch. The next Day cycle, you can PM the host and the lynch will be on a player of your choice.
You remember you have the fully loaded gun from before. You take it out of your pocket, aim and yell "YOZ!!". Yoz turns around, and as soon as you pull the trigger he ducks, and keeps running up the stairs. You calmly walk up the stairs, but Yoz manages to go through a door, you follow him.
You are outdoors. You end up in a sort of parking lot or garage, and there's a car in the middle of it. You aim at Yoz again and tell him "Don't move a muscle". Yoz freezes. You slowly move towards him, with the whole intent of killing him.
"Wait...wait...before you kill me, don't you want to know what really happened?" he says "You already told me everything I need to know, I don't need you alive any longer" you tighten your grip. "You do sound like them, haha!" he laughs. "I know now why they chose you as undercover agent to infiltrate our family" he said. "You keep repeating I'm an undercover agent, but you are wrong" you said. "I'm just a teacher who wanted to protect his students and his family.. ...but ultimately failed. I'm no cop and I don't know what you are talking about" you say "You forgot about that too? Haha you moron" he kept laughing.
He continued "You WERE an undercover agent, and undercover agent for those ****ers of the WYM". You were surprised to hear that "What..?" "I didn't figure it out until it was too late though. I knew you were suspicious, but after you left to your then dead family, it dawned on me you were with them." he said.
You still have a shock in your face "So you are telling me you think those pretty white boys out there are helping you just because they are good people? NO, they are helping you because you are STILL their undercover agent, and your mission is to kill me...you just had forgotten about it, haha!" he laughs.
"So...so that's why they let me go back in the Central Station? They thought I was still doing my mission?" you added "But I don't remember anything of that, and I DO remember joining the mob to help my students! The WYM had nothing to do with it!" you shout "Then your memories are betraying you". He said.
"...none of this matters, you murdered my family, and I'll avenge them" you tighten your grip. "This is just too funny!" he said. "I didn't murder your family you dumb fuck". "What?" you were even more confused than before "I lied before" he said. "I lied, to make you angry and desperate, to make you suffer, to make you hate me even more!" he added. "You are lying right now, I remember everything" you said. "Well no you don't you piece of shit, we just established that earlier".
He continued "I don't know who killed your family and I don't care. You are such a stupid fuck you believed it was us that did so, and that stupid mistake costed me of my home and family. Not that I'm not enjoying this though, but I had more coke and bitches back then!"
You lower your gun, you seem to believe the words he's saying. "So who killed my family then?".
But before he could say anything, you heard a monstrous noise, just before Yoz got riddled with bullets all over his body. "I did" you heard from behind.
You turn around and see a tall and imposing figure. He's carrying a minigun, one he just used to riddle Yoz with bullets. "You...who are you?" you ask in shock "I am Christian Stein, leader of the WYM" he said, not leaving his combat stance at all and pointing the minigun at you.
"What he said is true, you did work for us" he continues. "2 years ago we were desperately trying to find a reason to rise in arms against the government, but not be persecutted by the masses in doing so. We later learned, from our hidden spies inside the mafia family, of you rising to power. Ha! Who would have thought a slim ol' teacher could do something like that?" he laughed.
"So we contacted you, we told you we wanted some dirt on the mafia so we could bring them to justice legally, we told you we wanted you to give us inside-info on all their shady business. And you bought all of it"
He continued "We forced you into taking high-risk mafia jobs, and even ones you were against, like deliberately dealing drugs to children and even committing murder. You refused to do those, but you had to do them to gain more of the family's trust. After a long list of failed missions and you failing to follow our orders, I got fed up and ordered your family dead". He stopped
You just couldn't believe it...this man, the one that seemingly had the WYM help you all along your journey, was the one that murdered your family, and you mistakenly thought it was the mafia that did it, and mistakenly murdered most of them!
He then added "We figured out we had enough dirt on the mafia, so we got rid of you and made our move..." ..you interrupt him "but why would you need dirt on the mafia if your fight was against the government?" "Well my boy, because the mafia were receiving funds and dirty money from the government. The government used the mafia to control the whole city, to control it with fear. They staged police runs against them just for appearances, they were all content in their little scheme to rule over everything in this city. But after some info you got on the mafia, we were able to convince the masses of the government's evil deeds, which made it quite easy for us to gain support in taking over the city!"
He continued "We marched that day down to the mafia hideout to wipe them out, only to find out you've done most of our job for us! Haha such irony"
You then have another flashback. You remember being on the floor in the mafia hideout, still breathing. You hear the mafia boss groaning in the ground where you shot him, but he gets up, ignores you and decides to run outside. You then hear him pleading for his life, and a couple of shots.You then hear a body fall to the ground.
You then remember a tall figure coming into the room....it was Stein. He was grinning, he couldn't believe what was happening. "I can't believe this boy! You did this!? Ahahah" he laughed as hard as he could, and you couldn't believe what was happening. "Let me give you a final reward boy, for your services!" he said, he raised his gun, and you saw a flash....you don't remember anything anymore.
"Yes, I was the one that shot you, couldn't really have you alive and telling secrets out there could I?" He continued.
"I was quite surprised when I heard you were still alive, but apparently so was Yoz, and he seemed to have taken a like for you this past few days. I let my WYM guards let you go so you could lead us to Yoz, and lo and behold, you did! Another great job!" he then starts clapping.
He continued "I heard about you losing your memory, and I couldn't believe it either! I decided to even let you live if you survived this ordeal, under heavy surveillance of my men of course. Too bad you found out the truth, because now I have to kill you..." he starts pulling the trigger of his minigun, which starts spinning.
You jump to the side and hide behind the car, and you hear all the bullets penetrating the other side of it. The only way you can beat him is to run around him, he will have little speed to turn around with that thing. You wait for the perfect opportunity.....and then you hear the minigun's cylinders slow down. You then start running to the side of the car and keep running. Stein starts shooting you again, but can't keep up with your speed while he turns around. After you run almost behind of him, you do a flip, land, take your gun and shoot...
Everything is silent for a while, you can only hear the minigun's cylinders slowing down again. You then hear Stein cough, and he coughs blood. Then in the split of an eye, the giant falls to the ground, defeated.
You go down towards him, and point the gun at his face "You made me realize something Stein" You continued "I made a lot of mistakes, I was manipulated by everybody, I had everything important in my life stolen from me, and then have it been rubbed in my face by the likes of you.... ....but I know now this is not my fault. If men like you are still alive, then other men, other good men, women and children will suffer the same fate my family did, the same fate I did. By getting rid of you and Yoz, I'm making the world a better place...and now this barren world is the only thing I have left"
You kept talking "After you die the WYM will surely disbandle. But even if someone takes charge, if he's a same man as you, I'll find him. I'll find him, and the next one, until I know I can at least prevent what happened to me and my family, and my students, and the people I loved from happening to them..." ...
Before taking the shot, you see him grin, but before he can say anything you shoot him in the face....once...twice....three...countless times. You hear the WYM soldiers back inside wondering what's happening, so without wasting time you search Yoz's body for keys. You find some car keys, you hop in the car and leave.
As you are driving you remember Lina back at the bar. She didn't know you, but she gave you shelter, gave you food, gave you warmth, and gave you weapons to defend yourself. She doesn't deserve to live in a place like this, run by men like Stein. Even if your past is bleak and full of pain and sorrow, you can only look to the future now, to Lina's future, to every good man and woman's future.
You have no life of your own now, but you can at least give them a life to live. This is your path now, and you embrace it. Not because it was fallen on to you, but because you chose to follow it...
ENDING C. The Path of Redemption <You have received: A Minigun > Minigun: You can only use this item at the Day phase. Once used, you can use 1 KP on the target of your choice as a day-vig. This item has 2 shots before being consumed.
Long story short (but really, read it), it was a 6-part "pick your story" role which had all kinds of insanely awesome broken powers to pick up... or nothing if you picked wrong :D
Finally, I'll nominate sk8r for Best Blooper: Causing himself to get lynched, over a confirmed evil 3P and a highly suspicious scum. This is the post-game summary:
On July 04 2013 03:57 gonzaw wrote: I had no troubles with the PTP aspect of the game. I mean, I didn't really cry at night because of kita's day vig, geript's MK, the TARDIS fucking us up, etc. Actually yes...the worst problem a PTP game can have is non-existance.......sk8 I'm looking at you
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT MY ROLE SOMEHOW I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON
Sk8 said he made me veteran lookout who can track people that make visits at night or some shit. That didn't sound so bad (although it being passive is kind of a drag, the most fun PTP roles are interactive). Then hosts said they didn't change roles at all basically, other than little tweeks ....yet I got fucking vengeful-spirit townie-killer
wtf, who is lying?
This is the role PM I got from sk8:
Original Message From xxSK8rGUy277xx: You are a Mischevious Troll!
If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide.
At night, you can activate your Troll Toll. If any player visits you while you are doing this, they will gain the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide".
At night, you can visit a player and remove the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide". You may not activate the Troll toll AND visit a player on the same night.
You are immune to suiciding from lynching someone. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know if it's worded correctly. But this is my ROLE! :D
On June 26 2013 12:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: dont be all upset cause the role I wrote for u got nerfed. I could post the original I wrote for you. It was jester veteran lookout but the lookout gives u numbers with alignment instead of names, cuz that would just be OP. and then u can use your second ability to remove the jester ability from people based on the number u received.
i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town
so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced
s0lstice from Basterd Mini Mafia for best scum performance.
Read his filter. It is one of the most town filters i've ever read. As in, that is precisely how a townie should act. It doesn't feel forced at all. He manages to cast doubt on pretty much every decent strategy town attempted to use, while massaging bad ones without ever being the guy driving them (see the no 3P double scum claim idea Marv put forth).
This guy managed to draw precisely enough heat to move town, whenever he wanted, to avoid himself or his scumbuddy getting lynched. He did this so well that his scum buddy wasn't even suggested when I asked the Obs thread who the scumteam was. And all this in his first game as scum.
All in all, a really solid performance as his first time.
On July 09 2013 11:34 iGrok wrote: s0lstice from Basterd Mini Mafia for best scum performance.
Read his filter. It is one of the most town filters i've ever read. As in, that is precisely how a townie should act. It doesn't feel forced at all. He manages to cast doubt on pretty much every decent strategy town attempted to use, while massaging bad ones without ever being the guy driving them (see the no 3P double scum claim idea Marv put forth).
This guy managed to draw precisely enough heat to move town, whenever he wanted, to avoid himself or his scumbuddy getting lynched. He did this so well that his scum buddy wasn't even suggested when I asked the Obs thread who the scumteam was. And all this in his first game as scum.
All in all, a really solid performance as his first time.
On July 06 2013 02:14 Onegu wrote: Id like to nominate Hzflank for best newbie in NMMXLIII, for a town win from 4-3 lylo.
<shrug> I think that would be doing Hurricane Sponge and FirmTofu a disservice, they played good games as well - they just got NK'd first.
If I had to choose between them I think it might be FirmTofu for nailing the two scum who'd posted much at all by night 1
Big time team effort. In order of influence, I'd say the best townies that game were:
1.) Chromatically 1a.) FirmTofu 1b.) Aqua and HZ
All tied for first, all favorites. Chrom MORE favorite, but still all favorites.
Didnt see enough of chrome, firm I think I could have got lynched if I didnt claim because he lied, Aqua was duped and was the main reason alakaslam got lynched, That leaves hurricane and hz, I gave it to hz because he made the decideing vote and got stim on his side.
Oh, looks like you guys are talking about our newbie game.
Objectively, I think Hurricane, Chrome, and I played the best game and would tie for 1st place.
Aqua played well, but was wrong about one too many reads. hzflank posted a few conspiracies theories and made himself look very town, but didn't do an outstanding job of scumhunting. He did well, but his reads weren't spot on enough to deserve the first place prize. Consider that he was still quite unsure of who scum was in the last few days.
Hurricane played amazingly. He pretended to have scum reads in order to force a mistake from scum. It did a good job of giving false hope to the scum and helped form reads on them by generating tons of discussion. The one mistake he made was his reasoning on lynching Alakaslam over Onegu. I will say that I believe the calculated risk of lynching Onegu was superior to the "insured" lynch of Alakaslam. It was a complicated experience so I won't get into it. I guess it's not necessarily a mistake, but more of a sub-optimal move.
Chrome was extremely good at looking town. He pushed well and probed his reads with a sort of mechanical diligence. It was great to watch. He didn't live long enough, so I don't think I can give him the first place prize. Upon his death, he did have a few reads off(namely SpicyDinosaur as town), but in the Obs QT, it looked like he figured out the scumteam pretty quickly.
I was also extremely good at looking town. On day 1, I pushed Spicy. By Night 2, I had the entire scumteam on my to-do list. I defended Aquanim when I thought he might be lynched and I made 2 solid cases on 2 scum. I think it's debatable as to whether I made the correct decisions when I lied, but I personally believe that my actions ended up helping town in the long-run.
So yeah, I'd say it ends up being a 3-way tie. There will probably be more newbie games where there is a clear victor, but I think in our game, credit must be awarded to this mini-team of town. It just wouldn't be fair to give only one of us the award.
On June 28 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote: I will rate German texts by German-ness and distribute cute stars to those that do well.
Kids love cute stars.
After some issues with role PMs, he was more or less fired by the host, and started raging in the thread, demanding a public apology from the host, and going berserk with his posting after the game finished, resulting in him getting temp banned.
On July 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote: Hey igrok, you still owe me a full apology.
I even sent you a suitable one, don't even have to write it yourself. just post it bro. don't be shy.
On July 10 2013 04:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's quite clear you are a narcissistic dickhead that cares about nothing but your own opinion of yourself, and are unwilling to owe up to your own mistakes.
Even if you had been correct in all the bullcrap you made up about me, posting it in the thread without even trying to contact me about it already shows that you are basically a gigantic penis hopping around on a pogo stick.
I have no problem with this being public, because I know I'm in the right, honeydew.
On July 10 2013 05:11 Dandel Ion wrote: JUSTICE WILL NOT BE SILENCED BY THE LIKES OF YOU
On July 10 2013 05:12 Dandel Ion wrote: #fuckthepolice
Nomainating FirmTofu's fake traitor claim in I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia 2 for best play!
The game has an unusual game game mechanic where everyone has a mason partner and there is a one time use mason-partner-kill where the first mason who pm the host will cause his partner to die instantly. At the end of D1 Sylencia decides to kill his Partner Artanis who flips scum. The 2 leftover scum, Rayn and Z-Boson are left in a bad position. The rest is history.
On July 27 2013 05:04 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys, I just won the game for town. Here are my chats with Z-Boson.
Z-BosoN 07-26-2013 03:51 PM ET (US) Fuck it
This game is lost to us anyways scum team is me and rayn.
If you really are traitor, do just that. Prob bus rayn is good, since you are already pushing him.
If you are bluffing, well, gj, at least this game ends faster
#yolo 16 FirmTofuPerson was signed in when posted 07-26-2013 03:42 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Okay, I'm starting to get a feeling that you are scum. I'm going to take a leap of faith because this is my only chance to win. I am the traitor. If I name 2 people in your scumteam, I can join it. Right now, I'm fairly confident that it's you and stutters. I'm more confident in you than stutters.
If you are scum, tell me. I can join your team tonight. 15 FirmTofuPerson was signed in when posted 07-26-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Are you scum? Be honest. If so, this game is about to get very interesting.
On July 27 2013 05:07 FirmTofu wrote: P.S. I lied about being traitor.
On July 09 2013 11:34 iGrok wrote: s0lstice from Basterd Mini Mafia for best scum performance.
Read his filter. It is one of the most town filters i've ever read. As in, that is precisely how a townie should act. It doesn't feel forced at all. He manages to cast doubt on pretty much every decent strategy town attempted to use, while massaging bad ones without ever being the guy driving them (see the no 3P double scum claim idea Marv put forth).
This guy managed to draw precisely enough heat to move town, whenever he wanted, to avoid himself or his scumbuddy getting lynched. He did this so well that his scum buddy wasn't even suggested when I asked the Obs thread who the scumteam was. And all this in his first game as scum.
All in all, a really solid performance as his first time.
this is a super-weird nomination.
Care to elaborate? I thought he did pretty great considering we were all first timers.
On July 27 2013 03:15 Vivax wrote: I want to nominate Dandel Ion for 2013's drama queen, in his role as co-host in Basterd Mafia. Warning for [NSFW] language.
On June 28 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote: I will rate German texts by German-ness and distribute cute stars to those that do well.
Kids love cute stars.
After some issues with role PMs, he was more or less fired by the host, and started raging in the thread, demanding a public apology from the host, and going berserk with his posting after the game finished, resulting in him getting temp banned.
It's quite clear you are a narcissistic dickhead that cares about nothing but your own opinion of yourself, and are unwilling to owe up to your own mistakes.
Even if you had been correct in all the bullcrap you made up about me, posting it in the thread without even trying to contact me about it already shows that you are basically a gigantic penis hopping around on a pogo stick.
I have no problem with this being public, because I know I'm in the right, honeydew.
I nominate Koshi. I don't actually know how he played in his newbie game(s), but after that was Titanic, where he made bad posts, then apologized for his bad play, called himself bad and it resulted in his mislynch on the last day. After that Koshi has been awesome and picked up his game! He's never been mislynched as town and has been the shiny beacon of towniness. Afaik he has won all his scumgames. He also won the Sicilian mafia as Serial Killer which is probably the most impressive thing i have seen in a while (considering that was his ~5th game here).
EDIT: I dunno if this could be considered in The most impressive newbie category aswell, but imo Koshi was not that impressive in his first couple of games -- only after that.
On October 01 2013 11:41 austinmcc wrote: I will tell you, but I need you to phrase your request as if I were a busty hot dog vendress and you were either (a) an intoxicated college student after a night of partying, just looking for a delicious hot dog before going home to pass out or (b) a guy who works at a dog grooming place down the street and regularly comes to the hot dog stand for Tuesday lunch.
On December 11 2012 00:21 austinmcc wrote: I think you guys are all forgetting something.
I AM A BUNCH OF OLD, WISE DUDES
Throughout history, old wise dudes have been proven to be (1) intelligent and (2) good at martial arts. Nobody has ever been trained in martial arts by a child, or a teenager, or even just a slightly-balding middle-aged man. No. If you really want good martial arts training, you find the oldest, most wrinkled, old dude in the land. He imparts all sorts of wisdom, you train under him, and you become awesome. That's how it works. Always.
Daniel-san befriends Mr. Miyagi. Learns martial arts and important life lessons from Mr. Miyagi. At the final karate tournament, Daniel-san uses the crane kick to win. Lynching me is the equivalent of Daniel-san walking out of the ring in the final match and crane kicking Mr. Miyagi in the face. It's a bad idea, and it wouldn't be right.
Master Splinter teaches the teenage mutant ninja turtles martial arts and ... how to live in the sewers or whatever. Do the teenage mutant ninja turtles ever get tired of fighting Shredder and decide to poke holes in Master Splinter with their weapons? No. Because that would be stupid, and they'd probably get fat and lazy and just eat pizza without his training.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Gandalf is old, although not necessarily good at martial arts. However, when some gimpy little midgets leave him to fall down a hole, what happens? He comes back and helps those same gimpy little midgets with his wise old man powers.
Do the X-men ever think "gee, I haven't seen any bad mutants in a while, better just clobber Professor X today!"? No. He's an old man and he's got friggin' mind powers. He doesn't even have to be good at martial arts (probably isn't). He can probably force someone else (who IS good at martial arts) to fight for him. And he's pretty friggin' wise.
Confucious, high expectations asian father, Doc Brown, Dumbledore, etc.
I can keep going, but I think this should be apparent. You don't attack old, wise men. They are smart. They are good at martial arts. They are valuable assets. Everyone who has ever been trained by an old wise person DOESN'T GO AND ATTACK THAT OLD WISE PERSON. It's just wrong.
there are more, but I'm too lazy to search them right now.
Hey guys, I know that this isn't a category, but I would like to nominate Ange777 for Best Co-host.
Ange is always happy to co-host games. When she does, she is always on point with everything. When I think that a vote count needs to be done, it's already done by Ange. When something needs to be posted, usually Ange is on it. It also helps that she is very knowledgeable with the game of mafia and is always in control of her emotions. It always makes it really easy to deal with her and enjoyable. I think that she should be recognized for all of her hard work and dedication to the TL Mafia forums. Usually the co-host just does all of the bitch work, but she never complains about doing something and usually does it better than anyone else.
I hope that you can make a new category just to give her a special honor or something. Thanks :D
I would like to nominate Justanothertownie for best action for useing his vigi shot the night before mylo on me the last scum when everyone else in the thread had a town read on me, if he doesnt shoot me that night town loses as I would have completed the alternate win condition.
And also nominate Blazeinghand for WTF moment, while I thought is was very funny, others were wtf for these posts.
On October 29 2013 19:17 Blazinghand wrote: There's not a lot I can say about the night actions. I really don't know what happened. I wasn't RBed and I recieved no notification that my save was moved from sn0 to someone else. I wish I had an answer that made sense but I really don't. It's a legitimate criticism of my play that I haven't really been in the thread. I guess I had a slow start, replacing in when i didn't really expect to, and once I fell behind I never really got into the game again like I should have.
Part of it is just generally feel demoralized and feeling low. I don't really know if it had to do with my brithday itself, or maybe it's just that I don't have what it takes to play mafia any more. I used to really feel energized by coming to the keyboard to play mafia. Even if my team was so ahead I didn't have to be serious, or if my team was so behind loss was certain, or people were pushing me, or whatever, these would be challenges I'd strive to overcome. These facts would give me strength, not sap my energy. Do people really think of me like Marv does? When HiroPro said he agrees with Marv he knew I'd see that observer QT again.
I was the one who caught scum that day, who kept town on track, and in the end I couldn't do it. I led them astray. Now I feel like that "spark" or whatever is gone, and I don't know how to get it back. I feel like when I've always been able to do everything naturally it's now like trying to speak a language I barely know, or write a story I've never thought of. It's not even like a sense of unfunness, it's just being... tired. Like when you are in bed and don't want to get up and face the world, but with none of the comfort and warmth that come from pulling the blankets over your head. I know that it's no excuse and that saying something like this is alignment-neutral but it's true.
I see Mocsta doing a reread and making new reads, and I think I should do that, since I don't have good reads now, but I can't. I just can't do it. It would probably save me too if I did. when I'm in the zone, I'm good. The game's only a couple hundred pages, I've read more in less time. I just can't, and I feel like dick that I can't.
Maybe I should just stick to hosting games.
On October 29 2013 19:20 Blazinghand wrote: The worst part is i know how I would respond to a guy like me, I'd just lynch him. And I'd laugh at him and call him scum, and tell him IRL reasons don't mean anything and that he should use what time he has left alive to make some reads if he's really town. I hate other me, the me that's good at mafia, because I want to be him, and because he's merciless, and I can't be him. I can't be him now
On October 29 2013 19:21 Blazinghand wrote: This is probably one of the few places where I get to be the me I really wanted to be in high school, who could really take charge in a situation and be charismatic. I could never be the "king of shenanigans" in rela life I really just don't have... the force of personality for it, you know? But here online I could be something larger than I am in life, I could be the Blazinghand aggressive mafia player with thousands of posts and a huge e-peen that people actually respected. Maybe it was something IW as never meneat to have
On October 30 2013 04:10 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah I know and if I get lynched for it that's my fault too. I needed a place to vent so I dropped it in there, and it's something I could fake as scum but it's also the truth. I've been kind of hoping someone would claim cop with a green check on me but it doesn't look like there's a superman out there for me. At least if I die today or tomorrow I didn't "pull an Oatsmaster" and get mislynched at lylo
I'd like to nominate raynpelikoneet for best blooper in "##" Mafia for misreading his role PM for three times resulting in not helping his team but the town instead and finally getting lynched for it (amongst other reasons).
raynpelikoneet 10-27-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) haha i fucked up. Let's see if i fucked up too bad. :D *used a wrong power at the start of the game when the plan was to use it to gain town credit - resulting to the opposite*
raynpelikoneet 10-29-2013 11:35 PM ET (US) I can Cloister you Vayne and make the nuke happen on N2 instead of N1 if you want and if don't find better use to my power. *thought Cloister could be usedin the following phase while it was not*
Crossfire99 10-29-2013 11:37 PM ET (US) Rayn, you can only act once per cycle. That means day and night. You can't act again until day 2. Do people get confused as to what phase and cycle and mean? I feel that's happening a lot.
raynpelikoneet 10-29-2013 11:58 PM ET (US) Whoopsie i didn't read the second chapter of my role PM..
After that i thought my Cloister action is silent...
Then marv lynched me for my actions regarding my powers. Well done rayn..
I'd like to nominate raynpelikoneet for best blooper in "##" Mafia for misreading his role PM for three times resulting in not helping his team but the town instead and finally getting lynched for it (amongst other reasons).
raynpelikoneet 10-27-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) haha i fucked up. Let's see if i fucked up too bad. :D *used a wrong power at the start of the game when the plan was to use it to gain town credit - resulting to the opposite*
raynpelikoneet 10-29-2013 11:35 PM ET (US) I can Cloister you Vayne and make the nuke happen on N2 instead of N1 if you want and if don't find better use to my power. *thought Cloister could be usedin the following phase while it was not*
Crossfire99 10-29-2013 11:37 PM ET (US) Rayn, you can only act once per cycle. That means day and night. You can't act again until day 2. Do people get confused as to what phase and cycle and mean? I feel that's happening a lot.
raynpelikoneet 10-29-2013 11:58 PM ET (US) Whoopsie i didn't read the second chapter of my role PM..
After that i thought my Cloister action is silent...
Then marv lynched me for my actions regarding my powers. Well done rayn..
Haha rayn if you could nominate yourself this would be filled with people nominating themselves for best play, best mafia player, best town player, etc
On November 11 2013 03:45 Risen wrote: Haha rayn if you could nominate yourself this would be filled with people nominating themselves for best play, best mafia player, best town player, etc
I could nominate myself for "worst mafia play" for half of my scumgames. I have no idea how that happens and exactly in 50% of the games. :p
No rayn, you can't nominate yourself for "Worst X" award, only others can do it. You should get a "Worst Mafia Nomination Award " award for that!
I'd like to nominate gonzaw for Best "Worst Mafia Award Nomination" Nomination Award, for intending to nominate raynpelikoneet for Worst Mafia Nomination Award, who intended to nominate raynpelikoneet for Worst Mafia Play Award
I'd like to nominate raynpelikoneet for best roleclaim in Witchcraft Mini Mafia II. Used his own strong townstatus to give his teammate (Umasi) a greencheck, securing an easy mislynch into victory the next day.
I would like to nominate Raynpelikoneet for Drama Queen in Back to the Basics Mafia. Having established himself as town early on, Rayn proceeded to self destruct once others disagreed with his reads. This culminated in yelling "scum" profusely at everyone who disagreed, and "town" at everyone who agreed. The climax was thought be a martyr (as part of a policy lynch) but post-game it was realised that this was the start of the drama about to unfold in the ObsQT. I would like to nominate cDgCorazon for Worst Claim in Back to the Basics Mafia. Having established himself as town early on, Corazon proceeded to continually grow reary of Onegu. This culminated in the development of several cases, which did not manage to gain traction. The reached a climax when cDgCorazon decided to fake-claim cop 1 hr before the nightkill deadline (with no resolution period) and claiming to cop-check Onegu that night. Once day starterd, Corazon claimed to have a red-check on Onegu, and a previous green-check on Sciberbia. When the game ended: Onegu was green, Corazon was a vt; and the clincher: Sciberbia was scum.
Many people wish World War II didn't happen... but it did - Nothings going to change that. Need to accept it and learn the lessons that are there to be learnt.
I am entitled to make these nominations. Further: I didn't even write about the events offensively, nor snidely.
You're welcome to nominate me for Noir for worst claim if you like.
On December 04 2013 18:44 DarthPunk wrote: This thread was supposed to be about fun/funny or impressive stuff that happened in games. Not to publicly air our dysfunction.
Unfortunately, if you look back through the thread this year it's mostly been the latter. It's hard to see good play through the drama.
You know what? I'mma make a nomination. From Feburary, but whatever.
I nominate Vivax for Best Plan in TL Mafia LX. (Could alternatively be Best Play or Best Role Claim.)
Vivax was scum in LX. Scum had been lynched day 1 (Prom) and day 2 (Chez). Vivax's solution? Shoot yet another scum with scum KP and claim Vigilante. He had already claimed to have been roleblocked N1, justifing why he hadn't used the shot then. Obviously the lack of scum KP that night was a flaw in the plan - however, scum had a roleblocker and knew town had a roleblocker/jailkeeper, so they figured the missing KP would be attributed to one of the two.
The scummer who was shot was lurking hard and likely to be lynched anyway; shooting him cleared the decks for a Geript mislynch the next day, which began the fall of a previously flawless town.
The plan didn't work because the town JK failed to send in an action that night, meaning that there were no plausible explanations for the missing KP. If not for that, he'd probably have gotten away with it.
tl;dr: Vivax shot his scumbuddy with scum KP while playing to wincon
I'd like to nominate Ace and Carnival Cruise for Best Run Game.
I know many people enjoy themed games or crazy roles but throughout all the games I have played in and read through this year, this game was run the best.
The basic hosting duties were performed well, It had good flavor, amusing images etc.
But the real reason this was the best game was because of the amount of effort Ace went to to provide excellent and unbiased analysis through PM on request, In the obs thread and in post game.
Thorough post-game analysis by the host is not that common and Ace nailed it.
Look at this endgame post. Pay special attention to his running diary of the game.
On May 25 2013 08:28 Ace wrote:
Endgame
kushm4sta, Single Adult (Vanilla Town) has been end gamed + Show Spoiler +
Single Adult (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! You heard cruises were filled with women ready to get laid so you booked your ticket. Ready to enjoy endless booze, possible drugs, and raunchy behavior your loins ripen at the thought of spreading your progeny. Bad news bro - some major cockblockers have snuck on board and plan to take over the ship. And if you know anything about the opposite sex it's that no one puts out with a gun to their head outside of a Chuck Norris flick. Stop the cockblockers from taking over the ship and ruining your fantasy on the high seas.You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck! Have fun!
ObviousOne, the Unregistered Sex Offender (Voyeur) has been end gamed + Show Spoiler +
Unregistered Sex Offender (Voyeur) - Running from the law since you're suspected of sex crimes, you end up on a cruise full of beautiful people. The alcohol infused blood now coursing through your body has heightened your voyeuristic powers to Dirk Diggler levels. You pull out your trusty x-ray binoculars and get a tingling sensation in your fingers. This time you're sure it isnt gonnorhea. At night you can target a player and find out what kind of actions were performed on them: None, investigative, protective, status modified, roleblocking or killing. You can not target the same player on consecutive nights, passive roles dont return results to you and you can not target yourself. You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck!
grush57, Jeb Bush (Vote Thief) has been end gamed + Show Spoiler +
Jeb Bush (Vote Thief) - hailing from the mighty land of Florida, where mysticism in the arts of politics and passing fishy gun laws are rampant, you sit back and enjoy the cruise and the political backwater money funding your trip. Unfortunately the ship only hands out 1 meal ticket per passenger and this doesn't sit right with your greedy ways. At night you can coerce a drunk passenger out of his ticket by buying it off of him (steal the vote), showing up the next day to the mess hall and proving to the greedy ship waiters that you do indeed have an appetite for two. Since no one checks the names on the ticket you can just slip it in the serving trey and get a free meal (PM the mods, it will show up as "Anonymous vote" when you use it). Sadly you can't buy tickets off the poor sap on consecutive nights - he has to eat sometime. As drunk as he was when you conned him he will realize his meal ticket is missing and will be informed by the authorities he can not eat that day (no vote). You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck!
Game Over - The scum team have taken over the ship. Scum Team Wins! Starring:
BlazingHand as former President Of The United States, Thomas Jefferson (Framer) + Show Spoiler +
Thomas Jefferson (Framer) - in the spirit of Tupac Shakur the whole world thinks you're dead, but little do they know you were resting on the beaches of Cuba and sailing the world these past 200 years. As you prepare to embark on another cruise you see the outrageous prices for a vodka and coke (not cocaine), scoffing at the notion of your ideas of a weak central government have given way to America letting corporations run amok. No bother, you've found 3 allies (Players w, x, y, and z) also ready to skirt the fare on the high seas and enjoy life! Being a former lawyer you are well versed in tampering with evidence and public speaking. If any authorities show up and question anyone you are with (targeting that night) you can talk them into believing the person is Town or Scum. Being a Framer of the constitution has its perks. Unfortunately you can't hang out and frame the same person on consecutive nights - the authorities would find it strange. No self targeting either. Also fix your wig - you look silly. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
FC: Disco Dave (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! A blast from the past! You've been cruising since the 80s and wont stop till the sounds of that disco music stop and the glittering silver ball shatters! With an unbuttoned shirt, uncombed chest hair, gelled afro and a vile of cocaine tucked into the bottom of your shoe you're ready to party and get your wave on. Some scummy guys want to stop the party, and as all us true disco heads know the party doesn't stop till the drugs run out. Tell those jive turkies to chill! You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck! Have fun!
Cruise Captain (Captain) - endless voyages around the world have made you weary over the years, fueling your contempt for passengers that leave your boat without so much as a thank you or a $2 tip. You've turned to the dark side, smuggling illegal goods and teaming up with the likes of (Players w, x, y, and z) to get by. As captain of the ship you have the passenger quarters list and are aware that a Cop and a Vigilante are on board. You do not know who they are but you know they exist. At the start of the DAY you may PM the mods to send a request to each of them, asking them to perform a night action the following night on any target you choose. They will have a choice: to OBEY you or DISOBEY you. If they choose to obey you will be informed and the action will go through. If they choose to disobey you will also receive notification. If they change their mind you will also be informed. Send a PM in the form of <Tell Cop/Vigi to target Player X>. You can also choose not to send any messages and let them be. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
FC: Cruise Bartender (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! You just got out of college ready to conquer the world and make endless amounts of loot. Unfortunately you had a C average because you partied too much in the frat house. Not one to be phased by a little thing like being broke and living in your parent's basement you got a job as a bartender. Score! Pouring drinks down some chicks' throats is the only thing you were good at in school anyway. But some mean bros have showed up on the ship and want to take it over. Man that would suck worse than the time the campus police confiscated all the booze because drunk Jimmy was in the street riding a toy Big Wheel bike over the Glee Club's lawn. Good times tho! But it wont be good if these dudes get control of the boat. Stop em bro! You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck! Have fun!
sl0osh, as an actual Hammerhead Shark (Hammerer) + Show Spoiler +
Hammerhead Shark (Scum Hammer) - yea you read that correctly - a fucking shark!Life in the aquatic seas has been boring you for a while, so you hopped aboard this cruise ship to see what humans actually do. Shocked you are to find out what this alcohol thing is all about and the amount of human sex happening on the cruise. Everyone is even drunk enough that they don't notice a giant hammerhead shark walking around. Everyone except your scheming Scum allies (Players w, x, y, and z) that is! Being a shark you have no concept of democracy so during a vote, if you are not on a wagon and said wagon reaches L-1 where 1 vote will lynch the player you will have the option of placing the hammer vote by PMing the mods. The vote will show up in the voting list as "The Hammerer" and your original vote will be unmoved and still counted so as not to reveal your identity. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
FC: Parent with 6 kids (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! You and your spouse were supposed to be on a family trip with all your kids around the world. This cruise was the perfect family bonding experience to bring your hearts back together. Alas, he ditched you and the kids back in Thailand when he find out how far the American dollar goes when prostitution is concerned. Now you're stuck with 6 bratty, angst filled kids for the rest of the trip. Over the loudspeaker you hear an announcement that the ship is being taken over by some bad guys. Maybe they'll kill your kids and rid you of this headache? Nah, that wouldn't be very parental of you. Your kids need you, and besides you will need to claim all of them in court papers when you file for divorce. Get rid of the bad guys, dont let them lower America's divorce rate. It's the only natural resource we have left. You win when all threats to the cruise passengers (Town) are eliminated. Good luck! Have fun!
strongandbig as the toughest Brit alive, Bullet Tooth Tony (Mafia Tough Guy) + Show Spoiler +
Bullet Tooth Tony (Mafia Tough Guy) - hailing from the foreign land of The United Kingdom you show up to the cruise and what do you find? The rotten stink of American Capitalism. You turn up your nose in contempt at the price of a fucking beer on this cruise, aware that even the lowdown pubs in South Hampton ain't this shitty. Your anger leads you to joing up with other unscrupulous forces (Players w, x, y and z). Since you're actually a mobster, or you just played one on the set of Snatch and no one can tell if this is real life, you've got the tough guy thing already down and are always ready for a good scrum. You've snuck a 2-shot bulletproof vest on board the cruise so if anyone tries to harm you while you sleep, you will survive unless enough attackers go after you. Typical, since it took the French and the Americans to beat you in that war that spawned the USA.You can also choose to give the vest to any player in the game for a night (removing your own protection), protecting them from however many kills the vest can stop. (ie a 3 shot vest being hit twice turns it into a 1 shot vest for the rest of the game). You can not give the vest to the same player on consecutive nights (doesnt apply to yourself). Being roleblocked in any form will stop you from being able to give the vest away as it counts as an action. Anyone shot while wearing the vest will be informed of the attack. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
FC: Drunken Brawler (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! SO. MUCH. LIQUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR! Oh hell fuckin yes! Shelves upon shelves of that sparkly goodness! And nothing makes you more excited than being drunk than fighting. And fighting drunk is the best thing ever when you cant feel the pain of taking an iron crowbar to the face. Some sober panzies are trying to take over the ship and they dont fight with fists - they use guns. Bad news for you. Stop em before they pour all the alcohol in the sea and fight you with a gun butt to the back of the skull. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
VisceraEyes, soaking up the Town's shit happily as everyone's favorite kiddie cartoon character (Spongebob Scumpants) + Show Spoiler +
Spongebob Scumpants (Absorber) - freed from the shackles of cartoon television you want to return to your natural water-borne environment. You've played the good guy on tv for far too long and its time to change sides. Your allies are (w, x, y, z) and its time to take over the cruise ship so you can set sail for dark waters. If you are night targeted by any non-Scum aligned powerrole and survive to the next day you will absorb that role for use (one use only) up to the next night. If you do not use it on the next night the power will be lost. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
FC: Micky Arison (Vanilla Town) - Welcome to another wonderful adventure with Carnival Cruise lines where high fantasy meets the high seas! You're the renowned international celebrity owner of the Miami Heat basketball team Micky Arison! You're also the billionaire owner of Carnival Cruise lines! Clearly you didn't pay to be on this ship. Then you get an emergency text message on your phone telling you some dickheads are trying to take over the ship. At first you think its just LeBron and Dwyane pulling another silly prank, but you remember they are currently playing the Chicago Bulls in the playoffs. Shit just got real. If the ship is taken over insurance will go through the roof. You've just finished getting through your latest PR disaster when the CC Spirit crashed in Italy. Stop them from ruining your empire. Besides - how bad would it suck if you had to sell the Miami Heat when you win your second championship because you have to cover your losses? Damn. Hurry up. You win when you control at least half the voting power of the cruise (town) at the beginning of the day and/ or nothing can stop you from doing so. Good luck!
DarthPunk starts the game in Night 0 with a self aware Miller claim. Sadly, people want to call him scummy for it immediately. DP makes a slight mistake by bringing up a WIFOM scenario saying he doesn't need to do so as Scum. It isn't a bad play - but with this playerbase (he might not know them) they are rabid and dont think, or dont know of alternate scenarios.
The simple Town scenario does exist: he is a self aware Miller that is trying to avoid a cop check. If he doesnt claim and is lynched later jub jubs will blame him for not claiming. So he claims at the earliest time possible to get it out of the way. Town should collectively take a wait and see approach. Self aware Millers aren't rare, and possibly better in a closed setup. The town has no way of knowing the number which is why the claim is partially bad (really, just problematic early on at worst), but its equally bad to get rid of him immediately. DP does the right thing and says to eventually vigi him if they dont believe him but not to mislynch him. If I was Town I'd lean on him being Town and take a wait and see approach.
Rayne who can be an asset decides to go into immediate tunnel mode. He makes a HUGE mistake saying DP should be scumhunting right now. We're going to ignore the fact that what constitutes scumhunting is subjective and just focus on the game being 11 pages long and DP having to explain himself to everyone doubting him. Why even undermine him if you are Town? Versus good players you're just asking to be underminded yourself because its just a ridiculous post to make. Lo and behold right now rayne has been targeted by the vigilante for a Night0 kill. It wont even be considered a bad shot because of that post.
Also from a personal note I'd rather keep DP around anyway. From memory he is super useful to have around as he thinks things through before he posts. One of the better players to play with especially if you're logical and need support from people that actually read the thread objectively.
Not sure what OO is doing but nitpicking DP to death isn't doing any wonders. It's a miller claim, not a scum claim. Just leave him alone for now and do something else. It is Night 0 after all - do people not fear being shot by Vigilantes for being antagonistic so early on?
chaoser shows up and attempts to stop the argument - steering discussion away from it by asking both of them what they think of other people. I'd probably give him a small nod for Town favor here as Scum would probably want them to keep arguing and get night killed.
Apparantly DP did his job because he is targeted for Scum Nk at the moment. Which imo is a good play by Scum because DP may not get lynched Day 1 and end up becoming valuable. Better than a random shot right now except if they want to power role hunt. Either way this is a win/win for them: game starts with finger pointing, a role claim in addittion to them knowing at least 1 Cop and Vigilante exist, and none of them under suspicion yet.
shirokami writes: I dont have much history with miller-claims, and Im not eating this claim before he contributes into at least 1 scumlynch.
This actually is a solid post in case DP is lying. At least Scum would know that if DP doesnt try, or appear to lead a lynch on Scum he might get ran up on.
Poor fucking kita: in addition to being targeted by the SK minutes into the game, now Scum is debating on shooting him. Dude must be on a scum killing rampage to get fucked over this bad. This is by fay the BEST outcome possible for an SK: Scum hits his target and the vigi rescinded his shot on rayne. 1 person shows up dead Day 1 = hidden KP. Nice!
Scum changed to hit DP, and Cop chose not to investigate Blazing Hand. Going to be an interesting Day start! Town might think the 2nd hit was a vigilante and not realize it was an SK. Scum of course shot DP and probably know no vigi would have shot kita Night0 unless they were remarkeably dumb. So they may be alerted to the presence of 3rd party.
well while Vayne is right that prp is scum, saying hi to kita is a lol reason. prp should be able to eat that accusation with ease. Even funnier since Scum actually didn't kill him and hit DP. WOuld be so screwed if they end up taking the fall for the SKs hit.
super random but 4 of the scum team have been called out, and the serial killer too. all by the cop who will probably be shot at this rate lol. weird - because if it happens I bet no one will go back and read his posts.
There are some high level professional trolls and gifrollers in this game. Makes me shed a tear at the quality of lulz displayed so far and its only page 19.
Currently Promethelax is doing a good job. He deflected some light suspicion, spoke up for rayn (always good to have a super tunneler look at someone other than you!), and is doing a passable job of being active early. This could potentially reap benefits later as we all know thise that seem to post a lot are never included in the dreaded "inactivity" pool. Which is code for "please vigi me" in my games.
Interesting that Promethelax and Vivax have a history of tunneling each other. One has a gun, the other also has a gun and a bulletproof vest. This could end badly. If I'm an infinite shot vigi I'd be a bit careful if I think the guy is scum and will NK me.
Hold up - is Prome copying my "buddy rayne and corral him into my voting block" approach from LXI when I was SK? /shameless plug
I think by now most of these players should be able to call bs on claiming people are scum for not posting enough or "not scumhunting" which are usually empty arguments. There is a sharp divide between actual effort - looking for intent in people's posts and generating discussion that advances the game, and bs that is just nitpicking at low quality stuff like "you're being aggressive and you normally aren't" that doesnt move the needle. One of these types of players is actually trying to understand the game and is most likely in a ProTown mindset. The other is anti-town behavior because it is biased already and calls people out on something that usually doesn't even matter - stuff Scum, antaganostic, and bad players like to do. Good luck dealing with that when several are posting at the same time.
Also WoS is being called out for playing like an asshole. Whether its true or not from experience I'll tell you - as Town since you need people to help you push lynches if you're seriously not being an asshole for further gain down the road just stop and "play nice". People are far more willing to sheep you. You could claim a dt check on scum and players will be skeptical to vote with you because you're a dick.
ANd as I return home I see Oatsmaster, the Cop, catching major flak for what looks to be stirring things up. Hope he's good at arguing.
Another thing that would tilt my gun towards players if I'm a vigilante: "i've seen scum/town do this once before so it's just as likely it will happen in this game". Just no. This is straight up false and this kind of logical fallacy should be hammered by Town paying attention and reading the thread. This kind of thinking can lead to anti-town players justifying all types of bullshit scenarios to get a wagon moving.
A few of the Scum team members are all posting right now throwing dirt on WoS and Oats - aided by the SK. This is awesome because they are quoting posts and coming to conclusions making themselves look active. Good luck being Town trying to pick out whats a bad argument there. They all look loosely buddied up at worst and it is multiple people undermining 2 guys that have been receiving some flak for a while. I can see a double townie wagon forming soon.
sl0osh wrote: Oats do you think WoS is scum or not?
This is right after WoS goes tunnel mode and drops a vote on Oats. Nice way to start a townie fight. He doesn't know it but WoS has the gladiator role and is being way too impulsive. Imagine he uses it on Oats and gets the Cop lynched. SHITSTORM FROM HELL!
Hirpro wrote: BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz?
Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement.
Super protown points for this. Scum need to kill him right now - if the Townies picked up on it. Intent to understand whats going on >>>>>> dudes coming to quick conclusions early on. Keep this guy around at all costs if you're town.
Amazing that ObviousOne is once again being antagonistic. The only people that will support his lynches are Scum at the moment. He doesnt have any Town cred yet - can't be an asshole without it or the stupid "vet" cred people freely give out.
and now the wagon on OO starts. If Town loses I dont want to hear any complaints when 2 of their important power roles stick their neck out so crazy on Day 1. OO not using his head and thinking critically about DP's claim is being brought up by HiroPro who has a real solid point. If you're Town maybe its not a good idea to be in LYNCH HIM IMMEDIATELY mode on Night 0. I mean - when else would a self aware miller claim? o.0
the kicker? the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later".
also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further.
Damning at the moment. Some people can get away with laziness, some can't. Good idea to know how people perceive you before you post stuff. Whether OO was lazy or not doesn't even matter because the Scum are active and probably will push this wagon.
OO's response to HiroPro: You ready to die after I flip? This is a serious question. You can tunnel me all day but you still haven't done fuck all original and if lynching me is going to be your claim to towniness you might want to start tightening your sphincter.
Well, definitely fucked now. Imagine for a second that HiroPro is Town. So you are already blaming your future death on him. Clearly you dont want to lynch Townies but who do you think will run with the Hiro is scum for lynching our Power Role sentiment? Its going to be scum, possibly fronted by the tunnelers. Really need to hope a cooler headed Townie shows up and derails this possible shitstorm.
Wos calls Bh out for posting bullshit. Too bad he doesnt follow it up with a vote. Oh well.
people are already reading filters. no wonder they get so easily sidetracked - no sense of context. There are 3 important people right now: BH, WoS, and Oats with OO and prp right there too. This isn't the time to be filter diving. Just read them from the start and see how people got to their conclusions.
rayne is still stuck on using meta and calling people out for being careful. Unfortunately the two he has are both Town. Unless you know for a fact that someon'e posting style is a tell (ultra rare) then dont even bring it up as something to talk about. Not unless you have some other stuff to go with it. It's weak and doesnt move the thread anywhere. What meaningful response do you expect to get back that isn't easily justified by Scum or Town?
chaoser shows up with his super thinking cap on and lobs a fucking grenade at Prome. I've got 6 to 1 odds it gets picked up on. Prom's answer can probably be "lol wut" cuz people aren't paying attention (Scum are but they could care less about quality Town posts at the moment) - 3 pages later no one else references it. I win.
"As he claimed miller he should have not defended himself and his claim after that. Of course people are going to jump on a scummy claim like that". <---I'd probably vigi someone for writing this
BH is just lobbing WIFOM bananas around, complete with subtle bullshit stickers coupled with solid play advice and coming off nicely. All the little suspicions against him will probably be gone soon.
rayne has too many suspects at the moment. way too many. I know he's trying to figure stuff out but I pray he has a notepad narrowing things down. He is everywhere and no where right now and he can easily do better.
BH wrote: Clearly your goal is to paint me as scum rather than figure out if I am scum, because I literally make posts like this in every game. There is a simple counter argument to it - if you keep doing things you know are scummy you should get lynched for it. Too bad WoS doesnt have a vote on BH right now because he also thinks Oats is scum. Good luck rebutting this. But Bh saying WoS is just painting him as Scum and not actually calling him scum is dead on.
Well good luck WoS. Shoulda thrown a vote on BH earlier to show you meant serious business. I think he was trying to actually understand if BH was misguided or really scum but arguing with the guy resulted in lol OMGUS and now his little wagon is forming. He doesn't need to worry yet since it is still small.
There are so many meta references to past games you can tell why people are lost. People misuse it so badly I'm amazed how Towns actually manage to win games.
shit...BH. You were doing so well. Attacking Vivax who ALREADY has sheeped your vote? Do you want to derail the wagon and have him turn against you? why why why!? Add in VE's post before yours saying he thinks your town but WoS might be a wrong target.../sadface. Don't piss off potential allies.
--------- 5 hours before Day 1 ends Just got home to read the thread, WOS is in deep shit. Spazzing out of control and trying to convince people to vote OO it seems. He's getting ignored. Ouch. Scum team told the Cop to target Grush. Not sure why since they framed him last night but w/e.
Vivax is quoting a WoS post from another game. /facepalm People aren't static - they can play the same alignment in different ways. This is especially true of newer players who have few games and dont have an established style yet. They will learn the hard way.
I still can't believe suspicions are based on people commenting on a Night Kill. Seriously - that isn't a tell one way or another. What else is someone going to talk about after Night 0? so much derp - except from the Scum and Prome who keep urging the Town to swallow the bullshit pies.
Finally figured out how vote stealing works. Well glad thats over. They havent thought it through and one guy assumes vote stealing = scum power. Not unless there are other voting mechanics in play to seriously hamper it. If the Scum team ever gets a voting thief they get one of the most overpowered roles possible for them. Better than godfather, 1 shot scum vigi, framer and bulletproof. They get more powerful in the day game (their weakest phase) and are guaranteed to hit town for a vote awinf of +2 and one vote closer to majority. Thats brutal. If you currently believe Scum also has 2KP then holy shit Town would need some monster power roles to survive.
WoS thinks BH is playing poor but the Scum team is doing what they should be against the Town - throwing so many cases around to see what shit sticks. WoS sees it but he already pissed off a bunch of people. So now it takes extra effort to get them to see. Not going to work when the rest of the guys are in tunnel mode. There is 1 redeeming quality that exists but wont work in this Town, especially since some of the critical thinkers are dead, absent, or dont have any interest in helping the Town: assume Bh is Town. If he truly believes WoS is scum why is he spending so much time arguing with him and undermining him instead of panning to everyone else to get votes on the wagon? That is super duper fishy - the guy said on a scale of 1 to 10 Wos is a 10. Intent and behavior. Too bad people are busy reading other games for meta and not the one they are actually playing.
Bh makes a mistake trying call a Vivax bus on Wos potential. rayne and shikorami totally skip it and chide Wos. lol.
no idea what OO is doing but dont ever play around with self voting unless you know what you are doing. He clearly doesnt. another possible vigi target.
VE shows up with a new post asking to lynch VA hours before deadline. It isn't even convincing. Will anyone give him a scum nod for this? lets see. update: not really. It would probably help if the Cop that investigated VA to be innocent shadowed his reads and pushed his suspects for questioning too. Oh well.
VA wrote:only person id be even remotely down to lynch on the current list is Hiro and I dont see that happening anytime soon. And before you ask why I have no reason since frankly I dont like any of these wagons, including my own. Seems like mafia has a lot of control over this game as of now.
If only he knew.
kush votes BH, Prom asks for convincing and kush cant be bothered. No wonder people thinks he is terrible. In a familiar theme in this writeup: VIGI SHOT. Every setup on teamliquid should include unlimited shot vigilantes or Russian vigilantes. I dont care how swingy the game gets eliminate the useless players asap.
Getting close to lynch and OO might be a goner. A few people believe he might be Town but aren't exactly resisting the wagon. Perfect atmosphere for scum to thrive. Even with a night start this Town is confused more than they should be. The worst thing anyone could do is mislynch OO and he flips town, then get caught on the wagon while calling him a Town read. Don't lynch your townreads unless you have no choice and at least tried HARD to stop the wagon.
some surprising night actions. The Cop and Vigi are doing some very odd things.
BH wrote: basically what i'd expect. a lot of meaningles babbles (about chaoser) and some attempts to look more townie. absent the hideous no-lynch today, he looks a bit better, but none of the reasons have changed and really it's inexcusable not to lynch him now
It's a new day with 3 dead bodies (all Town) which means new info. Not even stopping to consider it and immediately throwing dirt on OO is a huge, huge mistake. Intent and behavior! Doubt anyone will catch him though so maybe it isn't a mistake.
lol Oats reads Prome's post and dismissses it because it doesn't have quotes. WoS is hysterical and lost and is spazzing out. Prom tells Oats to stop being lazy and find it himself. Can't convince people of shit if they dont want to read.
WoS made a meta read? Oats calls him dumb for it and scummy. This wont ever end.
VE shows up and votes OO. Great move imo lol. The reasoning is absolutely horrid but still, no one in this town reads posts.
s&b wrote: oatsmaster's vote was stolen by some terrible townie who should be shot oatsmaster is scum OO is scum
I consider the first of these options extremely unlikely; much less likely than either of the other two. First, votesteal is almost a useless power for townies; and it's very weird that someone would've used it D1.
So let's say that oats's vote was stolen by scum; why didn't they use it to hammer OO? If he's town, it's free KP for them. Conclusion: he's scum.
Now if he gets away with this give him the Scum MVP award. There are so many loophopes in this thinking a townie would have to be super biased to fix their brain that one of these two must be scum, and the guy not getting hammered is the reason why. He assumes the vote stealer must be Scum which crumbles for reasons already explained.
OO finally using his head again and realizes the bs pie snb is selling, at the same time nabbing VE. Well now he has to convince people. Lets see how he does at this aspect.
It's working! People are reading Ve's posts (hiroPro to the rescue). kush has some hidden meta read on VE (thank god he keeps it hidden). This will be a funny ending.
VE is screwed. Shows up and in his defense does a 180 on OO and votes for HiroPro. Worst possible move ever. He says that he hadn't considered the point previously made that OO wasn't hammered because the scum were already on the wagon. Fair enough. In the same post he goes on to say that Hiro has new aversion to lynching OO which makes him scum. For a second we'll ignore that this isn't a scumtell by itself at all. If Ve takes the counter point that scum could already have been on OO's wagon as true - then why does he jump directly to hirpro and single him out? If he is truly taking that data in then shouldn't he be evaluating everyone on the wagon fairly? GG.
oats and OO cant keep focus. now hiro might be scum? loh lord
WHAT THE FUCK VE HAS SQUIRMED OUT OF ANOTHER LYNCH!? This is Pandain levels of survivability. My head seriously hurts right now.
6:30PM ET May 17th
Scum team is accusing each other and voting each other lol. Oats better pray tonight because not checking the people he argued with or people on the wagon is going to haunt him. That chaoser check was a waste. Townies still doing stupid meta arguments so obviously, the Scum team does it too. Great - no one is arguing based on fact and everyone has switched votes a good 3 times already. Sign of no one being able to keep focus (outside the SK and Scum because they dont need to).
Why does one of Oats/OO have to be scum? That is just plainly false. Why is no one shitting on this?
Too bad for HiroPro. Players talking sense always get lynched by the jubjubs.
Prom switches up and drops a vote on BH. lol BH rages. Hiropro o.o's. Obviousone probably has a gif ready. This game makes no sense. Pretty much a Caller game in disguise.
VisceraEyes posts OBEY in large bold font in the thread. WIFOM grenade incoming.
according to scum QT VE is setting a trap for Prom. This game is full of so much misdirection (including from the Townies). Still dont know why bussing BH here over a sure death of Hiro was the plan.
Ok Hiro ends up dying due to hurr durr collectiveness from the Town. I'm rooting for a Scum team win since they've outplayed the Town badly. They read the thread better than the Townies do.
kush finally reads some posts and comes to the conclusion that prp is only posting stuff based on past games. About time someone catches the obvious. This point is his post (all were solid) is damning:
4 his top scumread is hiro d1. Nothing he says ever indicates that that changes. Yet on d2 he makes this random ass out of the blue case on me to distance himself from the hiro mislynch. If you are town and your top scumread has a huge bandwagon, why wouldn't you help push that wagon instead of introducing some lynch that's never going to happen.
Serial Killer saves town by killing BH. No actions from Cop or Voyeur last night. Ouch. Vote stealer misses another night also. WoS should use his role on prp today if he has been reading.
Best meta case I've seen in ages - a specific tell unique to prp that kush points out. prp references past games like crazy to try and act like he's active (simple reading should result in him getting lynched for this too). Maybe kush is good when he actually tries.
It looks bad on the surface but the Scum team still has more control of the thread than it seems. Most of them have been implicated but voting wagons arent even moving. Still lots of time to avoid the lynch.
For example: Another Oats vs WoS confrontation
happy to say I was wrong about kush. Actual effort being shown right now.
damn sl0osh just took a shit on Prom and didn't even wipe his ass. what a filthy post. damn brutal setup analysis (except there could still be a medic protecting Prom but Town wont even really read his post critically). Major issue is sl0osh outs himself by calling Prom 3rd party the day after a missing NK with no regards to proving Prom isnt scum.
kush shows up and nails the sentiment. gg sl0osh? kush has no support anyway. The other two active townies are still in 'just ask questions' mode and not 'figure shit out mode'. If it's Day 3 and so much information has been revealed AND you know game is close to ending because you've barely caught scum - why are you still asking questions? Or at least, not the right questions. Who the hell cares what X thinks of Y's arguments, or who A thinks is Scum? Ask relevant shit. I don't know, maybe asking sl0osh how he came to the conclusion Prome must be the SK and how no one else can? Will someone comment on kush's post about BH mentioning sl0osh and snb 0 times? Just no critical thinking going on here. Bad players stay bad because in the face of given information they go looking for stuff that doesn't matter. If I gave you recipe to make pancakes and provided you with eggs, milk and butter would you really go to the store and buy some noodles? Use what is given to you.
snb wrote: you're right, 5-4 tomorrow is pretty bad. however, we still have a fighting chance. it's infinitely better than 4-3-1.
4-3-1 is far, far, far, better for Town. Jesus please let someone use their head and read the posts.
snb slips up in his post confirming Prome is an SK thereby confirming he is Mafia. Only way he'd know is if he shot Prome last night. ouch. Town is just braindead though so who cares. Even worse the Town has 2 power roles that neutralize both factions going forward. WoS has the best role since he can cause 2 Scum or Scum AND SK to die on the same day.
Scum make a brutal mistake and ask the cop to target sl0osh, their most powerful endgame role. With him and 5-4 voting power they only need to convince 1 townie to slip in order to win. If people thought of the day game as a number of votes they wouldn't make such a simple mistake.
WoS now thinking Oats is scum and snb possible town(wtf?). Imagine if Oats claims and Scum counter claim him lol the horror. Scum also knows the Cop exists so can claim first and win the game with 1 mislynch. Let's see what they do.
ObviousOne is a boss. SSecond game I've seen him play where he shows he shows he knows how to read. This point is crucial to his argument: "Drawing associations with flipped players that are rather convenient, no consideration for thinking one step ahead". This is what most people would recognize as not trying to figure stuff out. More than likely VE is Scum off this because he doesn't need to pretend to go 1 step further to figure stuff out - he already knows the answer.
Oats has no response to OO's case and simply says he doesn't think VE could be Scum. :/
No idea why Scum choose to shoot WoS as he is lost and could be easily convinced. Very big mistake.
sl0osh screwed up - serial killers should return the same as Town, especially in my games. Only way to waffle this would be if sl0osh considered Prom as being Scum - which he clearly never did. Bad claim. So he goes to the OO must have been framed to screw up my investigations route. Now that is another stretch since it retroactively explains his screw up on Prom - but now must explain how one of the most protown looking people is scum when 3 other people are pretty much confirmed scum by analysis (town hasn't done it but lets pretend) - one of which is making this very case. If DP is a miller, then he has no point in dropping his focus on OO the next day if OO returns SAME. The only people that can are Scum. OO is scum, and this happens before framer shenanigans are even considered. Major screw up. Add in the busdriver mention = gg. Throwing Oats in is even worse as he is Town and will survive the night. Assume that Oats was paying attention - he'd clearly side with OO on any wagon against you. kush is already against you. You need to secure at least 1 protown vote to win tomorrow :/. Killing WoS tonight may undo this even more and would technically be a nail in the coffin for the Scum team. Let's see if they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
OO calls bs on sl0osh's claim because he is watcher and didn't see sloosh visit. ouch.
VE has a plan to salvage the situation but it will fall on deaf ears. Then again this town doesn't read so he SHOULD try it. Without OO's claim, sl0osh's claim by itself is off. The actions he stated are impossible to occur with the explanations he has given. Might as well turn it into something else and get attention off the claim. They were so far ahead of the Town and that unncessary bussing stunt with BH, and outting of Prom dropped their advantage. The town is so bad that they still have a chance to win, but they better not kill the worst town players.
OO now rethinking Sl0osh'a claim? :/ By the way Oats has a redcheck on sl0osh and is actually debating whether he can be Scum with VE. just useless.
sl0osh is lynched, and Scum loses their best lategame asset due to carelessness. Now instead of getting any townie to L-1 and ending it they have to work a bit harder and now have lost all thread they are trying to find the cop but not using their Captain role to the fullest.
shirokami has been largely worthless this game and now its coming back to haunt the Town. Imagine how bad it is that the Scum team has provided just enough activity to appear a little less suspicious than him if he contributed any thoughts the past 3 days. /facepalm
Oats is going to check shirokami. He'll flip innocent, but I wonder if the Godfather possibility will come up? Interesting if it does and results in a mislynch and game over.
btw this is why I sometimes don't give scumreads during the night. Mafia can WIFOM the Town into a mistake and end the game. Very true when you have players who are still confused by what is going on.
VE makes a post claiming OO is scum. jesus christ. Oats should know for sure VE is scum now. grush shows up and asks VE if he just scum claimed. good god... :/ COME ON VE WTF ARE YOU DOING!
--- May23rd, 9PM
VE picked the right person to accuse in shirokami. He has done nothing to help the town in recent days. A few people are bringing up prp but VE has a point: why not shirokami? They are both essentially worthless and VE is doing a good job falsifying their degrees of uselessless. All prp has to do is show up and post anything relevant to put pressure on shirokami. Short of Oats actually using his head the Scum team would have this sealed. If they actually shoot Oats this game should be over.This is also the rest of the Town's fault too for not going back to the Promethelax lynch and realizing snb and prp outted themselves. Or re-reading sl0osh's lol posts. This should be an easy endgame for the Scum team.
lol OO says Oats didn't claim. Indeed how unbelievable is it a cop lives to LYLO and doesn't claim? well, he has no investigations to give you about the remaining players even though he is guaranteed sane. So he's right back to square 1 unless he re-reads the Prome lynch. Oats is in the QT trying to validate his failed WIFOM on VE. Not even taking into account a dead Cop calling VE town before lylo makes the town think VE is clared due to cop check. This is why you should be careful of WIFOM - sometimes the scum team doesn't even notice it and just shoots you
Just got home to see shiro lynched and scum team outting themselves for forgetting town has a vote stealer who isn't of much help anyway.(a recurring theme) OO getting trolled by snb who is trying to convince him that there is a Jersey Shore Janitor 3rd party. Not even phased. Going to end the game now because there is no way the Town can win. GG all.
I want to nominate Chairman Ray for Worst Role Claim in Thug Life Mini Mafia. + Show Spoiler +
On October 08 2013 13:05 Chairman Ray wrote: You guys are way too good at this and I'm sorta crumbling from the pressure. I don't think I have the mafia skill to prevent myself from being lynched the next day. Probably not worth the effort since I have no chance to win anyways.
I am actually the last banger. SnB and palmer have given me permission to give up ages ago. I lost some motivation after they died since there was basically no way for us to win at that point. It was clearly either a town victory or the other scumteam's victory.
I'll just vest it up every night and see how long I survive. Sorry for not being all that active. Definitely won't be joining another mafia game until I have more free time.
CR claimed scum as scum but told the thread this was a ploy to not get shot by the cops (vigi) because he believed that by claiming scum the cops would not shoot him but he would get lynched the next day: + Show Spoiler +
On October 09 2013 07:00 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey I'm back boys.
Firstly, I would just like to tell you guys that I'm actually town, and the whole scum-claim thing was just a ploy. I am not a part of the remaining scumteam trying to claim the other scumteam. I am town. The reason why I did it was because at the time, WoS, austinmcc, Paindain, and VA were all onto me. Since everyone else besides CC is confirmed town, there 2 or 3 of you that are actually scum. This means that there's no point for me to convince you guys that I'm town when your objective is to get a mislynch on me. Due to my drastically lower skill level at mafia, there's a good chance that you will succeed in this, so I had to think of a crafty maneuver to avoid this, so this is it. By claiming banger and saying that I'm just gonna be vesting, it avoids the scenario where I get shot by cop. The last banger will think that I'm on the other scumteam fakeclaiming. The other scumteam may think I'm actually the last banger, and may alter their play. I'm the only one that knows I'm actually town. Due to this I can sit back and lurk and watch the thread to see if anyone gives an indication of scum. The other scumteam will try to play as if I am the last banger. The last banger will play as if I am in the other scumteam. Town will play as if I am the last banger. Nobody actually knows that I'm town, so this gives me a good reading advantage. For example, a member of the other scumteam may try to say that there's no point lynching me because I'm just going to be vesting. They benefit from having the extra KP so they may try to do this. To anyone who's town, it would be very obvious to lynch me simply because who the hell would believe what a scum says? If you are town and you are reading this, think about it. When you saw that I claimed to be the last banger, did you consider keeping my alive as a viable strategy? Probably not, because I sure wouldn't. Guess what happened:
On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote: Vayne this is why I think you're scum.
We literally have a claimed scum who we can lower the KP with.
what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR.
Add that to my list of Vayne suspicions.
The reason I am outing this now is because the best case scenario happened - the last banger got killed. That was a good job from Koshi. Now before I continue posting my reads, I need to prove to you guys that I'm town, or else I'm gonna get mislynched and my reads are just going to be ignored.
If I am on the other scumteam, it wouldn't make any sense for me to do this sort of play. I would not crumble under the pressure. Look at my other two games. I was under flak from everyone and I kept fighting. I wouldn't flop under this little pressure. Especially since I still have another player who's alive on my team, and the last banger is alive as well. There's a good chance to win, and I still have a partner to support me. If I am on the other scumteam, all I'm doing is throwing town a free kill. I would also be putting the last banger at risk. The last thing I want is for the last banger to die, because that lowers our chances to win more than myself dying. The least I would do is to at least try to fight it out. I wasn't a total scumread at the time, so it was really premature to give up. The other thing that wouldn't make sense is why I decided to give up before night ends and not after. The optimal play for the other scumteam would be to have me give up after night ends so that cop doesn't have a better read. Additionally, if I was scum, I would still have a partner left. Which one of you would let me do something like this? Anyways, I could probably muster up a lot more reasons why I am town, but if you guys have any more doubts, feel free to ask away.
Now onto my reads. Today we just need to lynch one of the two remaining scum. My biggest read is currently still on VayneAuthority. I will continue where I left off from my previous reads.
On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here.
1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1
2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2
3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3
I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me.
I dont really equate this to "everyone that believes you is an idiot"
I pointed out plenty of contradictions in your thinking ray.
On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here.
1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1
2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2
3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3
I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me.
On October 01 2013 14:42 Chairman Ray wrote: 1. I said that if FT goes after the good players, he would look town, but he obviously isn't since he's going after ShiaoPi and myself. Sorry if my original post was confusing, I would edit it for clarity if I could. The reason is because has been the #1/#2 lynch candidate today and any effort to try to get a lynch on a strong, townish player would be wasted. This does not really apply to you right now.
2. It's not just caring or not caring about the game that points me to believe you are mafia. I think everyone in this game should care about the game, otherwise why would they join it in the first place? You seemed to care on the first day, so why don't you care now? What made the difference to me wasn't whether you cared or not, but rather that you were vocal about it. This seems very mafialike to me. If Koshi were to come out and say that he doesn't care much anymore, and he's just going to chill the rest of the game, I would question him as well.
3. The reason I think austin is town is because he was a replacement. You aren't. You showed us you are here, and you are active. Austin had every excuse to continue to lurk. That's why I think he's town.
I would definitely like to hear more if you have something in mind.
On October 01 2013 15:08 Chairman Ray wrote: Another thing Vayne, I notice that you sound a bit defensive. I don't think I was being rude or condescending. All I did was post my read on you. That's sorta what we're supposed to do in a game of mafia, right? I don't understand why you need to "tear me to shreds", or say that my post is easy to debunk, or tell me to stop bothering you. Why would you want me to stop bothering you anyways? Is my trust not important? I think that you are not actually a big meanie. You are a very nice person who's sounding mean as a strategy. If I was in your position and I was town, I would probably want the trust of everybody, even lesser experienced players or players that post weaker reads. But if I was mafia, maybe I would construct a post to intimidate someone from giving any further reads on me.
A few other things. Why did you say you could do more, but withhold all your other information? Do you not want to give me more reasons to trust you? Personally, I think that's a part of the ploy. Think of it as one gunner telling the enemy that he has plenty more bullets, so he should back down, but his holster is actually empty. Any and all information is quite useful to the town right now. If you have more information that paints you as town, I would love to hear it so I could trust you and go after people that are more likely to be mafia.
Why was your first reply about who else I thought was mafia? Personally if someone had a scumread on me, the last thing I would worry about is whatever other people they have a read on. Seems like mismatched priorities to me. I think you were trying to get another person into the picture, or to see if I slip, so you can attack that and divert the attention off of you.
So basically, I think your conversation with me thus far has been heavily masked and constructed, and that's because you are mafia.
I still haven't gotten a reply for those two posts from VA yet.
But just to add on, I notice that to defend himself from the first read, VA pointed out contradictions instead of why my reads are wrong. Pointing out contradictions are a way of discrediting someone, and doesn't actually attack their reads. This is a misdirection tactic. If It was town, then if someone had reads on me, I would try to give him any explanation that I am town. That's the most pro-town way to play. Now if I was mafia and someone had reads on me, I might start pointing out fallacies, contradictions or try to attack other things, because that's pseudo-defending myself without actually offering any tangible information. I mentioned a lot more examples of Vayne doing this in my quoted reads. The thing is that he's been doing a lot of this throughout the entire game. This is completely scum play.
On October 09 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote
##vote:Chairman ray
he shot, he's lying
Right here, Vayne believes that I shot somebody as the last banger instead of vesting up. Even though Pandain flipped banger, Vayne seemed to not have paid attention to it. Probably because in his mind he is absolutely certain I am the last banger, something that would only occur to scum. But that can go either way, so I have something even better. How did he know that I shot instead of vested? We already established that mafia had to up 3 KP. Only 2 town died. How did he know that a team had 2 KP and didn't shoot both of them? It's because one of the town flipped he doesn't recall shooting. I think this is a scumslip.
And continued this path and tried to get away with claiming scum as scum.
On December 04 2013 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every game has been so bad you can't really blame the people. Honestly i don't have seen a good game in a long time..
On December 04 2013 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every game has been so bad you can't really blame the people. Honestly i don't have seen a good game in a long time..
Dr. Who Mafia.
lol I just saw that game was in April, while I thought it was more recent (like August). Well, you might be right then...
On December 04 2013 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every game has been so bad you can't really blame the people. Honestly i don't have seen a good game in a long time..
Dr. Who Mafia.
lol I just saw that game was in April, while I thought it was more recent (like August). Well, you might be right then...
Unique, though, in that the WHOLE playerlist gave a damn / didn't post horribly. A game full of people who want to play to win is pretty nice/rare.
On December 06 2013 00:48 strongandbig wrote: Can I nominate when palmar claimed red scum as red scum in thug life?
You left out the best bit... having truthfully claimed scum post #2 D1 only had 1 vote at the end of the D1 lynch.... 0 votes at the end of the D2 lynch lynched D3.
Not sure what category, perhaps least believable true claim.
I'd like to nominate VisceraEyes for Best Third-Party Player for his performance as Assassin in TL LXIII. He got elected as mayor D1 in a stacked town and town lynched the other Assassin D2. 'Nuff said.
It was Nuclear and I think hosts didn't see the nuke rather than not allow it. But not sure. They allowed all the defensive nukes to work if names were wrongly spelled.
Chezinu and I were trying to call Oats in Singapore because of it...
Yea it did happen, but its been so long I can't remember the game. Iirc geript was there for it, and my ally's name was MajuGarzett and I wrote #majugarnett or something like that and the mods caught it and didn't launch the nuke.
On January 04 2013 09:35 kitaman27 wrote: My New Year's Resolution is to actually make nominations as games finish, rather than waiting to do everything at the end of the year, then realizing I have a horrible memory.
Yep, totally failed at that one. It would be pretty sad if we had no nominations for some of these categories.
Most Unique Setup
Chrono Trigger Mafia - GreYMisT Game used a HP system, included time travel, party events, and boss battles
Parallel World Mafia - GreYMisT Multiple game threads where players were split into two separate worlds
GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - thrawn Players are split into six houses and an elected Lord votes for the lynch
Worst Role Claim Blazinghand has Old Partner in Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia(link) I claimed Survivor as Scum during N1, and of course we shot the real survivor immediately. ._. such skill much claim many vet respect wow
On December 28 2013 02:08 Blazinghand wrote: Worst Role Claim
Blazinghand has Old Partner in Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia(link) I claimed Survivor as Scum during N1, and of course we shot the real survivor immediately. ._. such skill much claim many vet respect wow
On December 28 2013 05:03 Blazinghand wrote: Drama Queen I would like to nominate Corazon for Drama Queen. I don't have a lot to say about this nomination, but I will say this: I seriously considered NOT nominating him because I think this will stir up drama, which means he really deserves to win.
On December 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote: Paranoia was 2012 though
oh good point I retract that
Best Team Mafia Performance
Vanesco, Umasi, and Raynpelikoneet in Witchcraft Mini Mafia II(link) These three were a good team. Although Van didn't play amazingly, Umasi and Rayn won four of the six witchcraft elections, meaning town had only two blue actions all game. One was wasted, and the other was sniped the same night he won his powers. Umasi and Rayn were generally considered town and pushed mislynches easily. It was a pretty devastating town loss.
On December 28 2013 05:03 Blazinghand wrote: Drama Queen I would like to nominate Corazon for Drama Queen. I don't have a lot to say about this nomination, but I will say this: I seriously considered NOT nominating him because I think this will stir up drama, which means he really deserves to win.
Can't argue with this lol
Also b2b worst role claim. Fake claim cop to lynch a towny and green check a mafia <3
On December 28 2013 07:40 Corazon wrote: I refuse all of the nominations. Blazinghand, you need to stop being a dick and leave the game be.
okay I retract the nomination. I'm sorry. I'll edit it out
E: and I hate to be "that guy" but FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH this post you made here is evidence it would have been a good nomination. Still though if you don't want to be nominated, that's fair enough.
Dude just shut up. You complain about the toxicity of TL Mafia and then you just stir up shit with this. It's fucking hypocritical. Edit: Do you want to help this community get better or just make it worse?
On December 28 2013 07:46 Corazon wrote: Dude just shut up. You complain about the toxicity of TL Mafia and then you just stir up shit with this. It's fucking hypocritical.
Look, I didn't mean to insult you. I kind of meant it jokingly, since, TO BE FAIR, there has been SOME drama surrounding you. I have retracted the nomination. I'll even edit my post to be blank. It will be like this never happened. I did wrong here, and I'll fix it. I'll also oppose anyone else nominating you. I'll PM marv. I'm on it.
Edit:
On December 28 2013 07:47 Corazon wrote: Edit everything out. Don't just cross it out. I want it all gone please.
Anyway I wanna nominate the town of Hydra II for best town.
Lynched scum on day one and day two and nuked scum on night two. (edit: or day 3 can't remember)
nuff said.
Also this was funny
On April 16 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote: So NSB are town, else it would be endgame.
##Unvote
~marv
On April 16 2013 10:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
ENDGAME
Because this shit takes time to write and nuke launches are cool.
NeutralSrvivingBalrog the Mafia Goon got nuked!
There is no way to stop the nuke, and they are the last mafia member alive. Thus I decided to spare y'all the immense pain of actually playing this game.
On December 28 2013 07:49 DarthPunk wrote: Look blazinghand was correct.
The question isn't whether or not I was correct, if it was mean to another member of the community, even inadvertently, it should stop; so let's stop talking about it. Cora wanted me to edit it out, and it's only fair that we respect his wishes.
I invite us all instead to laugh at my blooper from Golden Sun as Older Partner! It's pretty hilarious.
Best Town Player Corazon in II Titanic Mini Mafia:(link) Despite accidentally using a vig action on a blue role (who to be fair was playing like scum), we basically carried town to victory this game. Cora had some reasonably solid reads. I do have to give credit to sidesprang the cop for the final collar, but the Cora/BH slot was probably the most productive in terms of raw scumhunting.
It's not a joke. Like people always think I'm joking but #1: I voted purpletrator at the last minute, breaking tie to catch the scum, and #2: I didn't believe gracks lies
you have to admit that is PRETTY solid. And although cora replaced out he WAS on purple and xata, and even also called out grack in this post: (link)
he basically catches the entire scumteam. I'm not trolling. click the link.
also I self nommed for a blooper, that's ok imo, and this one is a joint nomination so this is also ok imo
On December 28 2013 08:08 Risen wrote: I'd nominate my play in WHC for a lot of things but I don't because self-nominating isn't really in the spirit of community choosing awards is it?
hmm maybe not I guess. do you want to self-nominate me?
jk
I think it's ok, i'm basically nominating cora since he caught all the scum but who am I to shy away from the limelight? we did, after all, share the same slot.
On December 28 2013 08:08 Risen wrote: I'd nominate my play in WHC for a lot of things but I don't because self-nominating isn't really in the spirit of community choosing awards is it?
hmm maybe not I guess. do you want to self-nominate me?
For what? I'd nominate you for best town player in a scum victory but I don't think that's a category.
I didn't get Artanis though and I made a bad shot. I also remember you making a post saying that I had no scumhunting ability at all and that no one should trust my reads. Nice sabotage <3
On December 28 2013 08:10 Corazon wrote: I didn't get Artanis though and I made a bad shot. I also remember you making a post saying that I had no scumhunting ability at all and that no one should trust my reads. Nice sabotage <3
well I have more info now than I did then ;_; that post I linked is pretty solid
On December 28 2013 08:10 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah you were solid, But not the MVP. And cora vigged an incredibly townie looking medic so I'm not sure how that makes him Co-MVP to be honest.
It's just a nomination. Vote against us if you want, but I'm pretty sure you can't contest a nomination.
ACTUALLY it might be worth to nominate sidesprang for something. He played very well as the cop imo. A lot of cops end up claiming early or getting shot, but he avoided getting lynched or shot, then rolled up with the perfect check to seal the game. Do we have a "best blue role" category?
On December 28 2013 08:10 Corazon wrote: I didn't get Artanis though and I made a bad shot. I also remember you making a post saying that I had no scumhunting ability at all and that no one should trust my reads. Nice sabotage <3
well I have more info now than I did then ;_;
When I bragged about catching 3 scum HF said that I copied and pasted his arguments XD If you want, you can nominate my shot on HF as a blooper or mistake or whatever. It was a really bad shot =(
It's completely reasonable. You're a bully and not a nice person and I don't want you to talk to me or say anything about me. So I nicely requested for you to do as such.
On December 28 2013 08:10 Corazon wrote: I didn't get Artanis though and I made a bad shot. I also remember you making a post saying that I had no scumhunting ability at all and that no one should trust my reads. Nice sabotage <3
well I have more info now than I did then ;_;
When I bragged about catching 3 scum HF said that I copied and pasted his arguments XD If you want, you can nominate my shot on HF as a blooper or mistake or whatever. It was a really bad shot =(
we all take bad shots, but the worst shot is the shot you never take
On December 28 2013 08:14 Corazon wrote: It's completely reasonable. You're a bully and not a nice person and I don't want you to talk to me or say anything about me. So I nicely requested for you to do as such.
I said that you made a terrrible vig shot which is exactly what you have been saying. How is that bullying you? And I was not even talking to you I was talking to BH.
Honestly when you make 'requests' like these i'm just going to ignore them ok?
On December 28 2013 08:14 Corazon wrote: It's completely reasonable. You're a bully and not a nice person and I don't want you to talk to me or say anything about me. So I nicely requested for you to do as such.
I said that you made a terrrible vig shot which is exactly what you have been saying. How is that bullying you? And I was not even talking to you I was talking to BH.
Honestly when you make 'requests' like these i'm just going to ignore them ok?
Dude I'm not blind. All the shit you said during Titanic II that made me not want to play anymore and this shit now is bullying. And what you said before about BH's nomination that he took down
On December 28 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote: MOVING ON
Best Town Player Corazon in II Titanic Mini Mafia:(link) Despite accidentally using a vig action on a blue role (who to be fair was playing like scum), we basically carried town to victory this game. Cora had some reasonably solid reads. I do have to give credit to sidesprang the cop for the final collar, but the Cora/BH slot was probably the most productive in terms of raw scumhunting.
Man, spread some love guys. We are all brothers and sisters here <3 <3
/zen
I nominate Buddah for Best Teacher, for the teachings he brought to us mere mortals, in this time of need, so we can reach enlightment. Ohhhmmmmmmm ohhhmmmmmmm
On December 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote: Paranoia was 2012 though
oh good point I retract that
Best Team Mafia Performance
Vanesco, Umasi, and Raynpelikoneet in Witchcraft Mini Mafia II(link) These three were a good team. Although Van didn't play amazingly, Umasi and Rayn won four of the six witchcraft elections, meaning town had only two blue actions all game. One was wasted, and the other was sniped the same night he won his powers. Umasi and Rayn were generally considered town and pushed mislynches easily. It was a pretty devastating town loss.
I respectfully disagree with this. Town lost that game because they were godawful, not because scum played particularly well. Aside from the fact that i had Umasi and Rayn pegged as scum from the get-go, the fact remained that Umasi NEVER should have been voted in for WC powers by anyone and yet he was voted in every night despite doing nothing all game. Thrawn and I BOTH looked townier than he OR Rayn did and yet town players derped, barely participated in the early game and voted for terrible choices. That and Onegu claiming scum AS TOWN in thread and essentially forcing us to mislynch him. I'm not sure how scum deserve a nomination for that abominable town play imo, but that's just me.
This will probably go through anyway, and I don't want to take away from the scum play that game which was pretty decent, but 'best?' No way.
On December 28 2013 08:39 Corazon wrote: i'm refusing all nominations of that kind WoS.
I don't understand you really. lol we're totally just going to end up half-assedly going through the years' games just to try to fill in empty categories at the last minute aren't we?
Oh can I officially nominate kita/Dandel for best cohosts? Is that a thing?
On December 28 2013 08:39 Corazon wrote: i'm refusing all nominations of that kind WoS.
I don't understand you really. lol we're totally just going to end up half-assedly going through the years' games just to try to fill in empty categories at the last minute aren't we?
Oh can I officially nominate kita/Dandel for best cohosts? Is that a thing?
I'd nominate you for "person that most closely resembles a helicopter"
On December 28 2013 08:39 Corazon wrote: i'm refusing all nominations of that kind WoS.
I don't understand you really. lol we're totally just going to end up half-assedly going through the years' games just to try to fill in empty categories at the last minute aren't we?
Oh can I officially nominate kita/Dandel for best cohosts? Is that a thing?
No one understands me, that's why the BttB post-game stuff happened (before GM made a dedicated thread)
I nominate Grackaroni for Worst Role claim in Titanic II
So he, as scum, fake claimed Cop with a SK check on me at the end of the day in an open setup with a cop. That night scum shoot me revealing his claim to be false without the real cop even having to counter-claim.
Best Mafia Performance Giggles in TL Mafia LXI(link) GiygaS carried his scumteam pretty well, managed to make it through 8 days without getting lynched, and generally did a good job of seeming town, pushing his scum agenda. No scum was lynched D5, D6, D7, or D8. It wasn't until LYLO that GiygaS got lynched. That's a long way to go on just your brains and your words.
WoS i think your critique regarding Witchcraft is unwarranted. It's not like mafia needs to deal with people who are not alive, who cares ifyou found all mafia if you did not manage to lynch them?
I don't mean we played "the best game of 2013" and that's not for me to decide but your response to the nomination is not valid imo. I don't give a fuck if everyone in obs QT thinks i am scum because i am not playing against them. I don't care if everyone in obs QT would have not cast witchcraft votes on people he votes were cast on, hell i blue shot you on N1 because i was totally sure you were the third winner. You weren't.
It's not about the non-players or observers, it's about the mafia - town interaction and which team was better in one particular game based on that game's players. I am not arguing we played particularly well, maybe some other scumteam did better in some other game, but we sure as hell owned town's ass in that game, the results in itself show it, we won 4/6 votes, and lost one member (due to inactivity mostly). Yes, town played bad, but succesful mafia victory needs town to play bad, if town plays good town wins.
On December 28 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Same exact thing BH did basically. Why so many nominations from Titanic 2? Seems like some sort of memory bias...
It was a funny game. Our vig shot the medic. One of the most productive towniest people was the serial killer. The serial killer accidentally got scum lynched day 2. Then two scum literally claim scum at me. Then the last scum who had triple bussed got killed by the SK cause the SK thought he was the cop.
On December 28 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Same exact thing BH did basically. Why so many nominations from Titanic 2? Seems like some sort of memory bias...
It was a funny game. Our vig shot the medic. One of the most productive towniest people was the serial killer. The serial killer accidentally got scum lynched day 2. Then two scum literally claim scum at me. Then the last scum who had triple bussed got killed by the SK cause the SK thought he was the cop.
that's an amazing summary of the game. This game needs to be nominated for funniest game or something.
On December 28 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Same exact thing BH did basically. Why so many nominations from Titanic 2? Seems like some sort of memory bias...
It was a funny game. Our vig shot the medic. One of the most productive towniest people was the serial killer. The serial killer accidentally got scum lynched day 2. Then two scum literally claim scum at me. Then the last scum who had triple bussed got killed by the SK cause the SK thought he was the cop.
It was not accident, i needed town credit and i was pretty sure they were scum on D1. If i was town in that game purple would have been lynched on D1.
On December 28 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Same exact thing BH did basically. Why so many nominations from Titanic 2? Seems like some sort of memory bias...
It was a funny game. Our vig shot the medic. One of the most productive towniest people was the serial killer. The serial killer accidentally got scum lynched day 2. Then two scum literally claim scum at me. Then the last scum who had triple bussed got killed by the SK cause the SK thought he was the cop.
It was not accident, i needed town credit and i was pretty sure they were scum on D1. If i was town in that game purple would have been lynched on D1.
Lies. You said it was an accident to me when you were drunk on teamspeak bro.
On December 28 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Same exact thing BH did basically. Why so many nominations from Titanic 2? Seems like some sort of memory bias...
It was a funny game. Our vig shot the medic. One of the most productive towniest people was the serial killer. The serial killer accidentally got scum lynched day 2. Then two scum literally claim scum at me. Then the last scum who had triple bussed got killed by the SK cause the SK thought he was the cop.
It was not accident, i needed town credit and i was pretty sure they were scum on D1. If i was town in that game purple would have been lynched on D1.
Lies. You said it was an accident to me when you were drunk on teamspeak bro.
I said it was an accident i shot Artanis. I thought he was a cop while i should have seen he was scum. You can read the QT. I really have no idea what did i say in TS, haha ^^. But i really did have a strong scumread on purple/Xata/Grack on D1, i never thought Vayne was mafia for real and i was gonna keep mafia alive but people went after me when i made the case on you on D2 and i did not wanna get copped so i needed to lynch scum.
Anyways, it does not really matter. You carried the town in that game.
Oh i think i know what you mean, i might have talked about it being a mistake for me to make a case on you based on your LSB quotes on D2 and therefore i had to push purple.
EDIT: As it made me look bad (but if i was town it should not have made me look bad).
On December 28 2013 09:22 Blazinghand wrote: Best Mafia Performance Giggles in TL Mafia LXI(link) GiygaS carried his scumteam pretty well, managed to make it through 8 days without getting lynched, and generally did a good job of seeming town, pushing his scum agenda. No scum was lynched D5, D6, D7, or D8. It wasn't until LYLO that GiygaS got lynched. That's a long way to go on just your brains and your words.
You're telling me
That game was a travesty, though. Completely ruined.
On December 28 2013 09:22 Blazinghand wrote: Best Mafia Performance Giggles in TL Mafia LXI(link) GiygaS carried his scumteam pretty well, managed to make it through 8 days without getting lynched, and generally did a good job of seeming town, pushing his scum agenda. No scum was lynched D5, D6, D7, or D8. It wasn't until LYLO that GiygaS got lynched. That's a long way to go on just your brains and your words.
You're telling me
That game was a travesty, though. Completely ruined.
;_; well it's not a team nomination, just for Giggles
On December 28 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh i think i know what you mean, i might have talked about it being a mistake for me to make a case on you based on your LSB quotes on D2 and therefore i had to push purple.
EDIT: As it made me look bad (but if i was town it should not have made me look bad).
Maybe. To be honest I think we were both having issues understanding eachother. You were pretty drunk <3
On December 28 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i think your critique regarding Witchcraft is unwarranted. It's not like mafia needs to deal with people who are not alive, who cares ifyou found all mafia if you did not manage to lynch them?
I don't mean we played "the best game of 2013" and that's not for me to decide but your response to the nomination is not valid imo. I don't give a fuck if everyone in obs QT thinks i am scum because i am not playing against them. I don't care if everyone in obs QT would have not cast witchcraft votes on people he votes were cast on, hell i blue shot you on N1 because i was totally sure you were the third winner. You weren't.
It's not about the non-players or observers, it's about the mafia - town interaction and which team was better in one particular game based on that game's players. I am not arguing we played particularly well, maybe some other scumteam did better in some other game, but we sure as hell owned town's ass in that game, the results in itself show it, we won 4/6 votes, and lost one member (due to inactivity mostly). Yes, town played bad, but succesful mafia victory needs town to play bad, if town plays good town wins.
For the record, my 'I knew you guys were scum' is just me being bitter. Its not really part of my reasoning. It comes down to the fact that I don't personally believe you guys deserve the best scumplay of 2013 because I don't see anything impressive about a game that was handed to you. I'd consider my only mafia game ever to be a more impressive scumteam considering no one suspected me or VA all game (including marv) and we only lost Dandel cause he claimed SK for shits. DP played a pretty fantastic 3P that game iirc (Les Mafia).
Just my opinion, and in the end it doesn't even maaaattteeerrr.
On December 28 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i think your critique regarding Witchcraft is unwarranted. It's not like mafia needs to deal with people who are not alive, who cares ifyou found all mafia if you did not manage to lynch them?
I don't mean we played "the best game of 2013" and that's not for me to decide but your response to the nomination is not valid imo. I don't give a fuck if everyone in obs QT thinks i am scum because i am not playing against them. I don't care if everyone in obs QT would have not cast witchcraft votes on people he votes were cast on, hell i blue shot you on N1 because i was totally sure you were the third winner. You weren't.
It's not about the non-players or observers, it's about the mafia - town interaction and which team was better in one particular game based on that game's players. I am not arguing we played particularly well, maybe some other scumteam did better in some other game, but we sure as hell owned town's ass in that game, the results in itself show it, we won 4/6 votes, and lost one member (due to inactivity mostly). Yes, town played bad, but succesful mafia victory needs town to play bad, if town plays good town wins.
For the record, my 'I knew you guys were scum' is just me being bitter. Its not really part of my reasoning. It comes down to the fact that I don't personally believe you guys deserve the best scumplay of 2013 because I don't see anything impressive about a game that was handed to you. I'd consider my only mafia game ever to be a more impressive scumteam considering no one suspected me or VA all game (including marv) and we only lost Dandel cause he claimed SK for shits. DP played a pretty fantastic 3P that game iirc (Les Mafia).
Just my opinion, and in the end it doesn't even maaaattteeerrr.
Edit: oh and I totes agree with the giggles nom.
It's fine if you disagree! There's no need to discuss whether a nomination is good or not. Nobody gets a veto over nomination. Instead, nominate a scumteam you think was better and we can decide it via vote, that's what this process is all about.
On December 28 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: tbh I just want witchcraft mini II to be nominated for SOMETHING
Lol and I want PYP to be nommed for something but I can't be certain that it deserves anything at all, nvm anything positive.
Ill look through the categories later and see if I can find some fun things.
someone nominate me getting lynched D2 in Les Mafia for something
I nominate Blazinghand for worst blue claim in WHC. Knowing there was plenty of time left until lynch, and knowing there was no way marv could get him lynched, BH still claimed doctor which set up an easy n1 kill for scum.
On December 28 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: tbh I just want witchcraft mini II to be nominated for SOMETHING
Lol and I want PYP to be nommed for something but I can't be certain that it deserves anything at all, nvm anything positive.
Ill look through the categories later and see if I can find some fun things.
someone nominate me getting lynched D2 in Les Mafia for something
I nominate Blazinghand for worst blue claim in WHC. Knowing there was plenty of time left until lynch, and knowing there was no way marv could get him lynched, BH still claimed doctor which set up an easy n1 kill for scum.
On December 28 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: tbh I just want witchcraft mini II to be nominated for SOMETHING
Lol and I want PYP to be nommed for something but I can't be certain that it deserves anything at all, nvm anything positive.
Ill look through the categories later and see if I can find some fun things.
someone nominate me getting lynched D2 in Les Mafia for something
I nominate Blazinghand for worst blue claim in WHC. Knowing there was plenty of time left until lynch, and knowing there was no way marv could get him lynched, BH still claimed doctor which set up an easy n1 kill for scum.
AND THEN I LYNCHED THE SCUM grrr rabble rabble rabble
On November 17 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Blazinghand you should probably claim so i can laugh a lot. With maybe some pre-game actions and pictures.
Your wish is my command, it seems like if I don't yamato is just going to kill me so here's what i've been sitting on
Oh shit is yamato actually going to lynch me ._. the people i have to put up with...
Fine i'll solve this problem. I do don't lynch me I'm the Tracker
Sock head > sock is like soccer, which is known as football = football head
Also the first word of the post is "hey" and you know who is referred to by "hey, football head!" that's right, it's Arnold from Hey Arnold. And you know who Arnold is?
Yes that is right, I am the tracker, don't lynch me, you are all jubjubs for even thinking about doing it, especially you Yamato
Ps I was the assassin and claimed assassin to the scumteam in a mason QT
On December 28 2013 10:22 marvellosity wrote: Definitely BH should get some best/worst claimer award in general terms. If such an award doesn't exist, it should be made as a one-off
Also we have to retire biggest drama queen award after Cora wins it, no-one will be able to compete in subsequent years
Mocsta for Most Improved Player kushm4sta for Most Improved Player I now listen to both of these players with a fair bit of respect, which is something I wouldn't have predicted at the start of the year
Day 2 lynch of purpletrator in II Titanic Mini Mafia for Best Lynch In which shenanigans in the last 15 minutes of the day shifted the lynch wagon off a pair of townies and onto scum. Couldn't believe it even while it happened in front of me. Disclaimer: The Purpletrator lynch was aided by some pretty heavy bussing. That being said I can't come up with any better nominations. I'd like to nominate a mislynch, but I can't decide which of the mislynches was most deserving.
Best third party: raynpelikoneet in II Titanic Mini Mafia
At the last day he was the most towny looking player, and would have won if not for a positive cop check. If not for that I think he might have won even if others were "cleared" by the cop. Really solid game by him imo.
Best Blooper: Corazon in II Titanic Mini Mafia
Shot the most town player by far Night 1 as vigilante, which also turned out to be the medic. The reasons why he shot him just makes it funnier.
On December 28 2013 12:14 sidesprang wrote: Best third party: raynpelikoneet in II Titanic Mini Mafia
At the last day he was the most towny looking player, and would have won if not for a positive cop check. If not for that I think he might have won even if others were "cleared" by the cop. Really solid game by him imo.
Best Blooper: Corazon in II Titanic Mini Mafia
Shot the most town player by far Night 1 as vigilante, which also turned out to be the medic. The reasons why he shot him just makes it funnier.
On December 28 2013 11:12 Aquanim wrote: Some more nominations!
Mocsta for Most Improved Player kushm4sta for Most Improved Player I now listen to both of these players with a fair bit of respect, which is something I wouldn't have predicted at the start of the year
Day 2 lynch of purpletrator in II Titanic Mini Mafia for Best Lynch In which shenanigans in the last 15 minutes of the day shifted the lynch wagon off a pair of townies and onto scum. Couldn't believe it even while it happened in front of me. Disclaimer: The Purpletrator lynch was aided by some pretty heavy bussing. That being said I can't come up with any better nominations. I'd like to nominate a mislynch, but I can't decide which of the mislynches was most deserving.
there is no way mocsta should get this because he was never that bad.
On December 28 2013 11:12 Aquanim wrote: Some more nominations!
Mocsta for Most Improved Player kushm4sta for Most Improved Player I now listen to both of these players with a fair bit of respect, which is something I wouldn't have predicted at the start of the year
Day 2 lynch of purpletrator in II Titanic Mini Mafia for Best Lynch In which shenanigans in the last 15 minutes of the day shifted the lynch wagon off a pair of townies and onto scum. Couldn't believe it even while it happened in front of me. Disclaimer: The Purpletrator lynch was aided by some pretty heavy bussing. That being said I can't come up with any better nominations. I'd like to nominate a mislynch, but I can't decide which of the mislynches was most deserving.
there is no way mocsta should get this because he was never that bad.
This thread is actually making me miss mafia. And also sad 'cause I don't deserve any awards as a thoroughly average player. Mebbe NY resolution will be to blow yall away in 2014.
On December 28 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: tbh I just want witchcraft mini II to be nominated for SOMETHING
Lol and I want PYP to be nommed for something but I can't be certain that it deserves anything at all, nvm anything positive.
Ill look through the categories later and see if I can find some fun things.
Someone deserves best replacement. Not naming any names but someone somewhere did a great job in that game.
nominate: PYPLOL Best run game
WoS and his cohorts ran a custom pyp game with 120 individually crafted roles and custom interactions and no pm was left unsent, no interaction unplanned and even when 9/30ths of the game had to be replaced or simply rage quit WoS and his team did there best to make the game workable. Some hosts run great games because they have great players, WoS and his team ran a great game despite one of the most disinterested and least skilled player bases I've ever had the good fortune to play with.
On December 28 2013 11:12 Aquanim wrote: Some more nominations!
Mocsta for Most Improved Player kushm4sta for Most Improved Player I now listen to both of these players with a fair bit of respect, which is something I wouldn't have predicted at the start of the year
Day 2 lynch of purpletrator in II Titanic Mini Mafia for Best Lynch In which shenanigans in the last 15 minutes of the day shifted the lynch wagon off a pair of townies and onto scum. Couldn't believe it even while it happened in front of me. Disclaimer: The Purpletrator lynch was aided by some pretty heavy bussing. That being said I can't come up with any better nominations. I'd like to nominate a mislynch, but I can't decide which of the mislynches was most deserving.
there is no way mocsta should get this because he was never that bad.
you either didn't read or don't remember Newbie 34
After the first few days, two scum (deconduo and Oatsmaster) and three town (mkfuba, Sentinel and phagga) were left. Deconduo fakeclaimed cop, and claimed a red check on either me and Oats. Since I was obvious town, we lynched Oats, and went into the last day with 4 players left (no night kill) and a seemingly confirmed cop.
mkfuba had a very slow start into the game, and made a bit of a scummy impression. However, on the last two days he started to cycle through different scenarios, trying to figure out who the last scum is. This not only made him sudenly obvious town, he also hit the nail with this post. He was able to convince me and sentinel, and we consequently won the game.
I nominate AxleGreaser for Most Improved Player His first game, almost exactly a year ago, ended up creating one of the funniest moments of all time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389&user=AxleGreaser wherein he made a case suggesting that the hosts were scum because no one in the thread was scum. In fact that game was the greatest Newbie game of all time including wonderful moments like: Tommy The Fireman JSL's dramatic reading of Axle's posts Axle's posts
Now Axle plays quite well and brings a totally new insight to TL mafia. He plays like no one has before and he is more than worth listening too.
Nominating DarthPunk as the Best Town player in Titanic II. DarthPunk outed/caught 2 of the 4 scum in three days, and was a heavy influence in lynching the third one. Basically ruined mafia's game and Serial Killer's game by being too right and too influental for anyone to really disagree with.
The thread has been updated. I have not posted any self nominations, and I tried to fit yours into a catagory that you nominated it for. However if there was clearly a better catagory for the nomination, and there was some commentary in the thread about it, it was moved to another spot.
Nominations will close on Wednesday, Jan 01 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
After the start of the new year I will be looking for volunteers to help me get the polls set up. Please contact me via PM here on TL.net, or via skype if you have that information.
As an aside I will not be running this thread for the 2014 year. I will be looking for someone to take the initiative for the 2014 thread!
This year has been great, 2014 will most likely be my last year of mafia for quite some time, with me starting law school in the fall. I hope to host one last game and go out with a bang. Hope you are all still around to enjoy it!
On January 04 2013 09:39 Risen wrote: Just redo the polls everyone knows my play was best play
Edit: I really hope I get the chance to make another outrageous play like that in 2013. That's up there in terms of fun for me, right next to hydra'ing with Marv and seeing my inbox filled with PM's that just said stop posting (exaggeration makes stories better hush Marv)
On December 31 2013 06:18 GreYMisT wrote: This year has been great, 2014 will most likely be my last year of mafia for quite some time, with me starting law school in the fall. I hope to host one last game and go out with a bang. Hope you are all still around to enjoy it!
On December 31 2013 06:18 GreYMisT wrote: This year has been great, 2014 will most likely be my last year of mafia for quite some time, with me starting law school in the fall. I hope to host one last game and go out with a bang. Hope you are all still around to enjoy it!
So after you got a taste for mafia blood in TL, you are now going to go and catch and lynch REAL mafia?
On December 31 2013 10:14 Blazinghand wrote: probably not lynching, just writing cases
Yeah that's probably right.
...I can do the lynching for you. Grey, after you finish writing a very good case, give it to me and I'll literally lynch whoever you tell me to. Give me a gun and I'll Day-vigi their asses as welll. Pew pew pew Nothing can go wrong
It could be just me that finds it hilarious though.
Edit: Select quotes from the QT that i personally appreciate
Risk.nuke wrote: Wow, prom is just DP's bitch.
marvellosity wrote: this is unbelievably painful
marvellosity wrote: no no, all the townies will try to lynch each other. That much is becoming clear.
marvellosity wrote: this is the most depressing town loss i have ever witnessed on TL Mafia.
Acrofales wrote:
If it's DP he is a scum with some serious balls, fakeclaiming JK (even if he's a RB). Not only that, but he prepared his fakeclaim in N1 when he started crumbing it. Now I have played with the idea of making multiple crumbs and then just pointing to the one I wanted to claim later, but it is SO much work, and you run the risk of them being provably false, rendering them useless. That's a LOT of work for what exactly?
He was also pretty hardcore bussing his scumbuddy Drazak from pretty early on. Now, I am not opposed to a bit of bussing, but he took it to Mattchew levels, making a case on Drazak during D1 and really nailing him for the voteswitch (really fucking quickly too).
Add the two together and it just seems so unlikely for him to be scum.
There are a few other things. Look at the third page of his filter. Risk.nuke makes a case against Promethelax. DP steps in to defend Prom. Now we know that Prom and DP cannot be scumbuddies, so either DP is taking this opportunity to gain townie credit on someone he has no vested interest in saving (he could've just lurked and seen where the lynch went: killing off an active vocal player like Prom would be fucking awesome for scum D2. He didn't have to decide then and there what to do about the lynch... but he did. With both risk and myself pushing that lynch, two of the three strongest town players would've been pushing the third town player. That is a fucking awesome situation for scum to stay the hell away from and watch the disaster unfold. Instead he goes and gets himself into trouble for it when Prom turns around and tells him to stop buddying.
Also, while he didn't get on the hopeless wagon too soon, he DID voice his support for it the minute it came up, rather than shutting the hell up. So did Drazak, and THAT is the post he decided to quote, with a snide little reminder that Drazak is not forgotten. Just really doesn't feel like they are scum together.
I think I will go read this game whenever I feel depressed. Hue.
Haha thanks guys. Don't worry, I'll be sure not to claim to early when going after the mafia.
And Corazon, we did not have a co-host category this year, it would be unfair to add it later when there is a different crowd of people nominating. We will just have to include it next year!
On December 31 2013 22:54 Acrofales wrote: While I think Chrono trigger was an awesome game and deserves the nomination, it was played in 2012.
that's how good it was. It will win 2 years in a row.
While I wish that were the case, Its been removed from the list. I was just mindlessly writing nominations and kitaman27 did not do his homework before nominating apparently.
Captain from Carnival Cruise Mafia for Best Mafia Role Idea
Role: As captain of the ship you have the passenger quarters list and are aware that a Cop and a Vigilante are on board. You do not know who they are but you know they exist. At the start of the DAY you may PM the mods to send a request to each of them, asking them to perform a night action the following night on any target you choose. They will have a choice: to OBEY you or DISOBEY you. If they choose to obey you will be informed and the action will go through. If they choose to disobey you will also receive notification. If they change their mind you will also be informed. Send a PM in the form of <Tell Cop/Vigi to target Player X>. You can also choose not to send any messages and let them be.
iGrok from Personality Mafia 2 for Best Mafia Role Idea
Role: You are iGrok, and you use quotation marks around the word "balance"! On Night 1, you may select 3 players. These 3 players will be told they have just joined a "Sleeper Cell, which is directed by a cell leader, who knows all of their names. They will also be told that each night they may vote to shoot one player in the game. The sleeper Cell only has one bullet, and will only fire if all of the cell members vote to kill the same player. As the cell leader, you may send a 30 character PM to one of your cell members with each day/night post. This PM may not contain the names of the other cell members. You may not participate in the vote to shoot.
Caller from Personality Mafia 2 for Best Town Role Idea
Role: You are Caller! As an Infamous host, your antics have made their way into TL legend. At the start of the game, you may choose 4 players. You may choose to give each of these players either a NUKE, or a FAKE NUKE. The players will recieve a notification that they may fire a nuke before the halfway mark of a day by typing ##NUKE in the thread, at which point a notification by the host will confirm the shot. Both FAKE NUKEs and NUKES will elicit the same notification. NUKES do not actually kill players. Instead they unleash a storm of KEBAB on their target. The target of the KEBAB, and anyone visiting them, will be roleblocked for that night becuase they must take time to REMOVE KEBAB. A person may not be KEBABed twice in a game.
wherebugsgo from Personality Mafia 2 for Best Town Role Idea
Role: You are wherebugsgo, Jack of all mafia trades! Unfortunately for you, you seem to have rolled town. Once per cycle, you must submit one of the following actions. You cannot select the same action twice. The following cycle you will receive a reward for your scummy ways based on your selection. 1) Frame target player to return the role and alignment of your choice. 2) Silence target player from posting in the thread for the first 24 hours of the day cycle. 3) Cover target player's alignment from being revealed during an alignment check or death through night hit. 4) Roleblock target player. 5) Pardon target player during the day cycle. The player with the second most votes will be lyched. You win with town.
Hidden: 1) Frame -> role cop 2) Silence -> Mason first 24 hours 3) Cover -> Godfather 4) Roleblock -> Jail 5) Pardon -> Unlynchable for 1 cycle
I love 'em both but drama and um.....'raised tensions' seem to follow them around like puppydogs.
Specific examples could be anything from the banlist thread over the past little while---if not I believe Titanic II(?) suffices for Corazon and PYP: LoL Mafia suffices for Geript.
Played towny as all hell to draw (WIFOMed) medic protection D1 when the mafia team were likely as hell to shoot him, then dropped off his play purposefully, helping to strongly push a (needed) mislynch on BH but was still aggressive enough so as not to draw town's ire. Maybe the only game with a Survivor in it (I've seen) where he didn't have to claim.
Since you people apparently won't do it, I've got some nominations. It's legit because I really didn't have any part in coming up with these roles.
I'd like to nominate the Dimensional Lemming from Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 for best Mafia Role Idea. + Show Spoiler [Role PM] +
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are the Dimensional Lemming! For some reason, when you rip open a hole in the fabric of reality, people just follow you. Once per game, you may choose any number of players, those players and yourself will be transferred to any finished game of mafia of your choosing. The rules and mechanics specific to that game will resume (to the host's discretion). The day post will announce that you and those players may only post in that thread and you and those players may not quote players from the main thread. Each universe will have a lynch. Players will be swapped back to the original game at the day’s end (the night cycle will occur in the same universe). Using this ability reduces Fate by 2.
You are a member of Aperture Science
On December 11 2012 07:13 Coagulation wrote: I kinda want to join but I hate games that have mindfucking mechanics.
I'd also like to nominate Red and Blue from Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 for best Neutral Role Idea (or Town/Mafia Role Idea if that is more appropriate). + Show Spoiler [Red Role PM] +
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Red, The Pokemon Master! An unknown trainer wants to battle! Your pokemon team consists of the following:
Pikachu @ Light Ball Trait: Static - Volt Tackle - Iron Tail - Quick Attack - Thunderbolt
Lapras Trait: Shell Armor - Body Slam - Brine - Blizzard - Psychic
Your oppenent has yet to reveal his team. PRIOR TO day 1 you must message the hosts with your choice of pokemon to fight first. After that point, with every phase, you will play pokemon against this unknown opponent: You may choose to either use a move of your active pokemon, or swap him out for another one that still has hit points. At any point, you may ask the hosts for a review of the health of your opponents as well as your pokemon.
As a means of encouraging effective battle tactics, Aperture science has decided to punish you for every pokemon you lose in battle. If the following pokemon faint, Aperture science will receive the respective one shot ability to use:
Your pokemon will act as your bodygaurds, thus you cannot die in game until they have all fainted. Once they have all fainted, you will die in game immediately. However, for every time you should die, one of your non active pokemon with the Lowest % HP will die in your place. Every time one of your or your opponents pokemon faints, it will be announced in thread. You win with the town.
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Blue, The Pokemon Champion! An unknown trainer wants to battle! Your pokemon team consists of the following:
Your oppenent has yet to reveal his team. PRIOR TO day 1 you must message the hosts with your choice of pokemon to fight first. After that point, with every phase, you will play pokemon against this unknown opponent: You may choose to either use a move of your active pokemon, or swap him out for another one that still has hit points. At any point, you may ask the hosts for a review of the health of your opponents as well as your pokemon.
As a means of encouraging effective battle tactics, Aperture science has decided to punish you for every pokemon you lose in battle. If the following pokemon faint, your opponent will receive the following one-shot abilities
Your pokemon will act as your bodygaurds, thus you cannot die in game until they have all fainted. Once they have all fainted, you will die in game immediately. However, for every time you should die, one of your non active pokemon with the Lowest % HP will die in your place. Every time one of you or your opponents pokemon faints, it will be announced in thread.
I wanna nominate the scum team of Les Mafia. For best mafia performance. Thoroughly tricked everyone including town marv, town blazinghand etc. They were so far ahead that dandel could fake claim serial killer for the lolz.
On January 01 2014 10:50 DarthPunk wrote: I wanna nominate the scum team of Les Mafia. For best mafia performance. Thoroughly tricked everyone including town marv, town blazinghand etc. They were so far ahead that dandel could fake claim serial killer for the lolz.
My one and only mafia game. It was so much fun too! I really want to roll scum again---I swear I still must have the highest game count with the lowest times rolling mafia on all of TL. Something like 1/25 games.
On January 01 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: I refuse WoS' nomination. Don't antagonize me further.
I second WoS nomination for drama queen.
This is certainly the scummiest way possible to avoid attention.
Just forget it. It's not up to me at this point anyway, and I don't want to cause drama in here specifically. I just thought stuff deserved nomination; if Greymist disagrees that's up to him.
On January 01 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: I refuse WoS' nomination. Don't antagonize me further.
I second WoS nomination for drama queen.
This is certainly the scummiest way possible to avoid attention.
Just forget it. It's not up to me at this point anyway, and I don't want to cause drama in here specifically. I just thought stuff deserved nomination; if Greymist disagrees that's up to him.
Read my pm and do as I ask and we won't have any problems.
On January 01 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: I refuse WoS' nomination. Don't antagonize me further.
I second WoS nomination for drama queen.
This is certainly the scummiest way possible to avoid attention.
Just forget it. It's not up to me at this point anyway, and I don't want to cause drama in here specifically. I just thought stuff deserved nomination; if Greymist disagrees that's up to him.
Read my pm and do as I ask and we won't have any problems.
On January 01 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: I refuse WoS' nomination. Don't antagonize me further.
I second WoS nomination for drama queen.
This is certainly the scummiest way possible to avoid attention.
Just forget it. It's not up to me at this point anyway, and I don't want to cause drama in here specifically. I just thought stuff deserved nomination; if Greymist disagrees that's up to him.
Read my pm and do as I ask and we won't have any problems.
this is kinda menacing ;_;
Hey cora you cant run around telling people what they can and cant do.. or who they can and cant talk about. You should probably start exercising self control and discipline because the real world is gonna eat you alive if you think thats how shit works.
On January 01 2014 15:53 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that there is always such drama after corazon is nominated for drama queen kind of justifies the nomination IMO.
For as often as you blame me and Cora for everything around here, you tend to be in the drama just as often. The real difference is that most people kindly overlook how much of a bitch you really are. You pulled way more shit in 2013 than anyone else. So pot, meet kettle.
On January 01 2014 15:53 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that there is always such drama after corazon is nominated for drama queen kind of justifies the nomination IMO.
For as often as you blame me and Cora for everything around here, you tend to be in the drama just as often. The real difference is that most people kindly overlook how much of a bitch you really are. You pulled way more shit in 2013 than anyone else. So pot, meet kettle.
You are absolutely right geript. Dp doesnt get nearly enough credit for how much of a bitch he is and I think its only fair that he gets his dues. But the TLMafia awards thread probably isnt the place for it so I made this thread on omgus for us to discuss it in depth. feel free to share your favorite DP is a bitch story with us.
On January 04 2014 09:51 marvellosity wrote: Reading through some of those nominations reminded me how funny Vivax's DT shenannies in LIX were. Kinda just giggling to myself atm.
Edit: some cracking plays in best play and best roleclaim as well.
Ugh, we should have lynched him that game just on principle.
On January 04 2014 09:51 marvellosity wrote: Reading through some of those nominations reminded me how funny Vivax's DT shenannies in LIX were. Kinda just giggling to myself atm.
Edit: some cracking plays in best play and best roleclaim as well.
I liked how Toad pulled a dragon ball analogy out of his bum to shut me down. Really need to play again. Going to have lots of time during february so see you soon.
I'm hijacking this game THREAD. Anyone still alive must post ##BABEK in the thread in the next 24 hours. If you want to pm me your role, this is acceptable, if not, I don't really care either way. You're getting new ones. Say goodbye to your family and loved ones. Because shit is about to go down.
Even as I sit here, I can't believe I'm writing this. I've never been one to voice my opinions in such a public manner. But after learning that iGrok wants to create a desolation and call it peace, I felt I at least had to set a few things straight. To start, he wants to spread rumors, gossip, and stories that are certainly false. Who does he think he is? I mean, the really interesting thing about all this is not that his accusations leave much to be desired. The interesting thing is that it's unfortunate that he has no real education. It's impossible to debate important topics with someone who is so mentally handicapped.
iGrok's clear-cut demonstrations of gross moral turpitude have led me to believe that I, speaking as someone who is not a stuporous usurer, am fed up to the back teeth with iGrok's uninformed jibes. But the problems with iGrok's long-term goals don't end there. As a consistently mortified observer of iGrok's snow jobs, I can't help but want to restore the traditions that iGrok has abandoned. Honor means nothing to him. Principles mean nothing to him. All he cares about is how to bribe the parasitic with the earnings of the productive.
In spite of the fact that iGrok's claims are pure tripe, many people have witnessed him pamper confused mumpsimuses. iGrok generally insists that his witnesses are mistaken and blames his nasty objectives on meretricious, dour passéists. It's like he has no-fault insurance against personal responsibility. What's more, if it weren't for iGrok's double standards he would have no standards at all. Hence, it's utterly a waste of time even to address iGrok's hypocrisy. That's why I'll state merely that he has been known to say that we ought to worship philopolemical, self-deluded racketeers as folk heroes. That notion is so malign, I hardly know where to begin refuting it. In summary, savagism revolves in a fixed orbit around all of iGrok's noxious opuscula. Is anyone listening? Does anyone care?
I don't intend to discomfit my readers, but I do need to point out that iGrok's real enmity against us comes through in his positions, which he uses to emphasize the negative in our lives instead of accentuating the positive. To begin at the beginning, he has conceived the project of reigning over opinions and of conquering neither kingdoms nor provinces but the human mind. If this project succeeds then judgmental jargonauts will be free to work hand-in-glove with the worst sorts of pudibund, moralistic anarchists there are. Even worse, it will be illegal for anyone to say anything about how that fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. iGrok is an expert at calming his adversaries with sweet inversions of the truth. In case you don't believe me, consider how he has managed to convince an alarming number of people that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. He does this even though he knows full well that he's convinced that people everywhere have a deeply held love of despotism. I profess that if iGrok held a rally in support of despotism, no more than two people would show up—one if you exclude the local street vendor who just happens to be peddling his wares in the vicinity. The reason, obviously, is that iGrok has called people like me spleenful demoniacs, sanctimonious criticasters, and pea-brained, moonstruck litterbugs so many times that these accusations no longer have any sting. iGrok certainly continues to employ such insults because he's run out of logical arguments. I suppose an alternate explanation is that one can usually be pretty sure when iGrok is lying. Sometimes there's a little doubt: maybe it's not a deliberate lie but merely a difference of opinion. But when iGrok claims that his adages are intelligent, commonsensical, and entirely consonant with the views of ordinary people, there's no room for ambiguity: he's lying.
iGrok's dupes have been waxing stridently about miserabilism, iGrok's double standards, and why iGrok should break down traditional values. Meanwhile, I have been setting the stage so that my next letter will begin from a new and much higher level of influence. What do I hope to achieve by doing such a thing? I hope to achieve widespread recognition that I've managed to come up with a way in which iGrok's essays could be made useful. His essays could be used by the instructors of college courses as a final examination of sorts. Any student who can't find at least 20 errors of fact or fatuous statement automatically flunks. Extra credit goes to students who realize that iGrok's wrongheaded, confused game of chess—the jaundiced chess of mercantalism—has continued for far too long. It's time to checkmate this invidious loblolly and show him that he is not only immoral but amoral.
If anything, by allowing iGrok to weave his cruel traits, hidebound exegeses, and power-drunk ploys into a rich tapestry that is sure to represent Heaven as Hell and, conversely, the most wretched life as paradise, we are allowing him to play puppet master. He has not increased our safety, security, or happiness by putting a pestilential, sappy spin on important issues. All he's increased by doing that is the girth of his bloated ego. From a public-policy perspective, I once read an article about how iGrok wants nothing less than to transform our little community into a global crucible of terror and gore. It was the powerful and long-lingering momentum of the impressions received on that occasion, more than any other circumstance, that gave definite form and resolution to my purpose of substituting movement for stagnation, purposive behavior for drifting, and visions of a great future for collective pettiness and discouragement.
To say that iGrok has a close-to-perfect existence that's the envy of the sniffish opportunists around him is sleazy nonsense and untrue to boot. One might think that his claims about dogmatism form a perfect continuum of infinite leaps to vaguely defined conclusions that will rapidly collapse into a singularity of unreason from which no sense can escape, and this is, not surprisingly, the case. If I had to choose between chopping onions and helping him scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties, I'd be in the kitchen in an instant. Although both alternatives make me cry, the deciding factor for me is that if iGrok believes that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that he can dole out or retract, then it's obvious why he thinks that he understands the difference between civilization and savagery. Although I agree with those who aver that he is becoming ever more audacious in his unappeasable hatred of us, nevertheless, I cannot agree with the subject matter and attitude that is woven into every one of his unforgiving, oligophrenic practices.
Isn't it interesting which questions iGrok dodges and what tangents he goes off on? Those dodges and tangents make me think that I've never bothered iGrok. Yet iGrok wants to confuse the catastrophic power of state fascism with the repression of an authoritarian government in our minds. Whatever happened to "live and let live"? He unmistakably believes that my bitterness at him is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. Unfortunately for him, that's all in his imagination. iGrok needs to get out of that fictional world and get back to reality, where people can see that this is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about his anti-democratic behavior but about the way that I am tired of hearing or reading that "metanarratives" are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity. You know that that is simply not true.
My next point will be so cogent that even iGrok will be able to understand it. Specifically, iGrok has nothing but contempt for responsibility, duty, and honor. Still, I recommend you check out some of iGrok's threats and draw your own conclusions on the matter. The dominant characteristic of his canards is not that they sugarcoat the past and dispense false optimism for the future, but that, in the bargain, they erode constitutional principles that have shaped our society and remain at the core of our freedom and liberty. I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I fight the warped, distorted, misshapen, unwholesome monstrosity that iGrok's policies have become. I challenge iGrok to point out any text in this letter that proposes that he possesses infinite wisdom. It isn't there. There's neither a hint nor a suggestion of such a thing.
iGrok screams and cries whenever he's prevented from causing riots in the streets. I, not being one of the many sullen, obscene derelicts of this world, warrant that if he stopped acting like such a big baby, maybe then he'd see that his mottos are based on hate. Hate, Stalinism, and an intolerance of another viewpoint, another way of life. I avouch we should knock down his house of cards. By "house of cards," I'm referring to the fragile, highly unstable, and renitent framework of lies on which iGrok's popularity is based. Without that framework, people everywhere would come to realize that iGrok has somehow managed to get the media to pay rapt attention to his pretentious prognoses. I don't know what sort of Jedi mind control he's been using to pull that off, but I do know that by iGrok's standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children—let alone teach them to be morally fit—you're definitely a stubborn calumniator. My standards—and I suspect yours as well—are quite different from his. For instance, I insist that it's debatable whether iGrok's intellectual dishonesty, mismanagement of facts, and outright lies make the most mentally deficient zobs I've ever seen seem ready for sainthood, in comparison. However, no one can disagree that the provision of evidence rebutting his claims is merely fuel piled on the bonfire of his insanity. Hence and therefore, iGrok is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, he frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to flout all of society's rules.
I need your help if I'm ever to shatter the adage that if iGrok kicks us in the teeth we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick. "But I'm only one person," you might protest. "What difference can I make?" The answer is: a lot more than you think. You see, iGrok believes it's perfectly okay to mollycoddle slatternly libertines. More than anything else, such beliefs shed light on iGrok's moral values and suggest incontrovertibly that he wants us to think of him as a do-gooder. Keep in mind, though, that iGrok wants to "do good" with other people's money and often with other people's lives. If he really wanted to be a do-gooder, he could start by admitting that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Let me rephrase that: His propositions turn the stomachs of those who know even a little about the real world. But what, you may ask, does any of that have to do with the theme of this letter, viz., that he has a different view of reality from the rest of us? Well, I asked the question so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that whenever he's presented with the statement that he is a confirmed liar—a conscious, deliberate, bald-faced, shameless liar—he spews out the hackneyed excuse that it is better that a hundred thousand people should perish than that he should be even slightly inconvenienced. Ironically, such screwball logic is likely to convince even more people that iGrok's opinion is that he is able to abrogate the natural order of effects flowing from causes. Of course, opinions are like sphincters: we all have them. So let me tell you my opinion. My opinion is that to someone whose eyes are open, iGrok's constantly repeated mantra that one can understand the elements of a scientific theory only by reference to the social condition and personal histories of the scientists involved is an insanely meddlesome notion. By way of contrast, consider my personal mantra that the one thing that's central to all of iGrok's ungrateful denunciations is a desire to make emotionalism socially acceptable. I call this the New Terrorism. The old terrorism was concerned only with making bribery legal and part of business as usual. Although that was bad enough, it would be downright brain-damaged for iGrok to deface property with racially and sexually derogatory epithets and offensive symbols. I put that observation into this letter just to let you see that he is guided by the ignis fatuus of ageism. Well, that's another story. To get back to my main point, I ought to mention that I think I know why so many vexatious, postmodernist ditzes prop up corrupt despots around the world. It's because iGrok has whipped them into a blind frenzy by telling them that the most valuable skill one can have is the ability to lie convincingly. Unfortunately for iGrok, the ground truth is that his histrionics are a veritable dictionary and synonymicon of Oblomovism. That said, let me continue.
One other thing: iGrok contends that we're supposed to shut up and smile when he says haughty, ignominious things and that, therefore, taxpayers are a magic purse that never runs out of gold. This bizarre pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. For example, it convinces daft gauleiters (as distinct from the parvanimous profiteers who prefer to chirrup while hopping from cloud to cloud in Nephelococcygia) that iGrok is a spokesman for God. In reality, contrariwise, if iGrok thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is ultimately unreasonable then maybe he should lay off the wacky tobacky.
When I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and say "I'd like people who use 'pressure tactics'—that's a euphemism for 'torture'—to coerce ordinary people into allowing federally funded research to mushroom into a scabrous, grossly inefficient system, hampered by mad gumps and unholy varmints to find themselves behind bars, looking out." Even though iGrok insists that unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point, I claim that anyone with eyes and a brain can tell that if you were to tell him that his hypnopompic insights are fatally fissiparous, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. He really struck a nerve with me when he said that "the norm" shouldn't have to worry about how the exceptions feel. That lie is a painful reminder that iGrok's confreres merely present their allegations as though they were true, a technique known as a "conclusory" or "Kierkegaardian" leap. So what's the connection between that and iGrok's ramblings? The connection is that we must always be looking towards the future while keeping the past in mind. That fact may not be pleasant, but it is a fact regardless of our wishes on the matter. iGrok's crusades have grown into the world's greatest enslavers of human minds. That's too big of a subject to get into here so let me instead discuss how many people are incredulous when I tell them that he intends to extirpate the things that I cherish. "How could iGrok be so flippant?", they ask me. "It doesn't seem possible." Well, it is decidedly possible, and now I'll explain exactly how iGrok plans to do it. But first, you need to realize that if we foreground the cognitive and emotional palette of his feebleminded, neurotic indiscretions rather than their pathology we can enter vitally into iGrok's world. Why do we want to do that? Because if you think that this is humorous or exaggerated, you're wrong. Finally, any one of the points I made in this letter could be turned into a complete research paper, but the conclusion of each would be the same: It is honestly not the intention of Heaven to let iGrok crush the remaining vestiges of democracy throughout the world.
iGrok's vassals all look like iGrok, think like iGrok, act like iGrok, and shift our society from a culture of conscience to a culture of consensus, just like iGrok does. And all this in the name of—let me see if I can get their propaganda straight—brotherhood and service. Ha! I surely want to protect the interests of the general public against the greed and unreason of iscariotic, logorrheic bloodsuckers, but I can't do that alone. So do me a favor and lend support to the thesis that we must use our minds and spirits to halt iGrok's efforts to lure the loathsome into iGrok's coven. That'll show him that many, many people have been hurt by him for daring to ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. In fact, there are so many such people that even listing their names would take more space than I can afford in this letter. In their honor, though, I will say that the point is that if everyone spent just five minutes a day thinking about ways to burn away social illness, exploitation, and human suffering, we'd all be a lot better off. Is five minutes a day too much to ask for the promise of a better tomorrow? I hope not, but then again, the justification iGrok gave for interfering with my efforts to lead him out of a dream world and back to hard reality was one of the most silly justifications I've ever heard. It was so silly, in fact, that I will not repeat it here. Even without hearing the details you can still see my point quite clearly: iGrok is a lamebrained liar. Let's list some of iGrok's more deluded lies: First, he claims that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. Second, he insists that the more paperasserie and bureaucracy we have to endure, the better. And third, he wants us to believe that it's okay if his suggestions initially cause our quality of life to degrade because "sometime", "someone" will do "something" "somehow" to counteract that trend. I presented that list to get you to see that iGrok recently made the astonishing claim that he answers to no one. Stripped of all its hyperbole, this statement is really just saying that iGrok likes to argue that he is a master of precognition, psychokinesis, remote viewing, and other undeveloped human capabilities. Admitting the apparent correctness of this morally crippled argument, we may prove the contradictory of its conclusion by an unassailable argument of our own, which is called an elenchus. My elenchus begins with the observation that if iGrok had lived the short, sickly, miserable life of a chattel serf in the ages "before technocracy" he wouldn't be so keen to put the public peace perpetually in danger. Maybe he'd even begin to realize that he has been confusing, befuddling, and neutralizing public opposition. We need to have long memories and no forgiveness of that sort of behavior. Instead, we must investigate iGrok's contumelious principles, ideals, and objectives.
I suggest that we dispense justice. This right and truthful proposition, practically established, will help us overcome the obstacles that people like him establish. While the concept of broad-based peace and social justice coalitions remains desirable, there is an alternative to lying down passively for the executioner. The alternative is to reveal the truth about iGrok's homilies. In particular, he never stops boasting about his generous contributions to charitable causes. As far as I can tell, however, iGrok's claimed magnanimousness is completely chimerical, and, furthermore, life isn't fair. We've all known this since the beginning of time, so why is he so compelled to complain about situations over which he has no control? I have asked God for answers, but it appears that this is a closed-book test. Let me simply suggest, therefore, that we've all heard iGrok yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear.
It's easy to tell if iGrok is lying. If his lips are moving, he's lying. iGrok says that he is a martyr for freedom and a victim of fanaticism. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that Comstockism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us.
Contrary to the impression that stubborn brutes offer "new," "innovative," and "advanced" ideas, there is little new in their shell games. We need to stick to the facts and offer only those arguments that can be supported by those facts. Why? Because of what's at stake: literally everything. Now the surprising news: I condemn iGrok's gross and systematic violations of human rights. I'm not just talking about the arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture, and summary executions but also about my previous observation that iGrok's emissaries have learned their scripts well and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. More often than not, I'm at loggerheads with iGrok on at least one important issue. Namely, he argues that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. I take the opposite position, that I know more about conspiracism than most people. You might even say that I'm an expert on the subject. I can therefore state with confidence that if iGrok is victorious in his quest to bring discord, confusion, and frustration into our personal and public lives, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity.
I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness—not in a dark, morally corrupt world run by brassbound, judgmental racketeers. Better, far better, that Man were without the gift of speech than that he use it as iGrok does. Better that Man could neither read nor write than have his head and heart perverted by the bilious and hidebound tommyrot that oozes from iGrok's pen. And better that the cut of Man's coat and the number of his buttons were fixed by statute and enforced by penalties than that iGrok should arouse the hostility and excite the cupidity of gormless rampallions. When you reflect upon this, you'll realize that his viewpoints are more than slovenly. They fill me with a sense of despair. More than anything else, they make me realize that since their emergence on the stage of history, amoral common criminals have been a parasitic growth on the stem of true citizens. If you doubt this, just ask around.
Although iGrok wants to enable tetchy, unmannerly rumormongers to punch above their weight, if we fail to straighten out our thinking and change the path we're on, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. He demands absolute and blind obedience from his advocates. If he didn't, they might question his orders to pit people against each other. This unrelenting demand of obedience also implies that iGrok swears that he acts in the public interest. Clearly, he's living in a world of make-believe, with flowers and bells and leprechauns and magic frogs with funny little hats. Back in the real world, iGrok used to maintain that he has the mandate of Heaven to deny citizens the ability to become informed about the destruction that he is capable of. When he realized that no one was falling for that claptrap, he quickly changed his tune to say that lewd, malignant quiddlers are easily housebroken. iGrok is clearly a mudslinging liar, and shame on anyone who believes him.
If we don't soon tell iGrok to stop what he's doing, he will proceed with his unconscionable, jaded ruderies, considerably emboldened by our lack of resistance. We will have tacitly given iGrok our permission to do so. iGrok, who prides himself on being open-minded and who likes to brag about it, refuses to consider my position that I must ask that his adulators restore the traditions that he has abandoned. I know they'll never do that so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to have a serious destabilizing effect on our institutions. His lickspittles claim to have no choice but to use threats of fiscal harm to coerce vengeful malevolent-types into testing another formula for silencing serious opposition. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, recalcitrant megalomaniacs. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand.
Was iGrok just trying to be cute when he said that everything he says is entirely and absolutely true? I sure hope so because to someone whose eyes are open, his constantly repeated mantra that his faith in solipsism gives him an uncanny ability to detect astral energy and cosmic vibrations is an insanely presumptuous notion. By way of contrast, consider my personal mantra that I try never to argue with iGrok because it's clear he's not susceptible to reason. He ignores the most basic ground rule of debate. In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person.
For the first time ever, a majority of nettlesome widdifuls have been questioning their role in helping iGrok gain a respectable foothold for his noisome commentaries. I feel that we should take advantage of this historic opportunity and promote iGrok to an elevated status in history as an archdemon of Oblomovism. In a tacit concession of defeat, he is now openly calling for the abridgment of various freedoms to accomplish coercively what his deceitful sallies have failed at. iGrok accuses me of being a liar. The only proven liar around here, however, is iGrok. Only a die-hard liar like iGrok could claim that my bitterness at him is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. The truth, in case you haven't already figured it out, is that the reason he wants to rot our minds with the hallucinatory drug of alarmism is that he's totally humorless. If you believe you have another explanation for his complacent behavior, then please write and tell me about it. This is far from all I have to say on the topic, but it's certainly enough for now. Just remember one thing: iGrok gnaws away at the pillars of our society as if he were a termite chewing on wood.
Please vote in the polls in the OP. You have some amount of time
Also I tried to give credit to all the different people nominated for the role idea awards. I assumed that Ace created the "captain", but correct me if that is not the case.
On February 19 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote: I'm glad, very glad, that "most WTF moment" includes specific events as entries, but also just "Blazinghand"
If you stop and think about it there really wasn't much choice
On March 12 2014 08:28 Balla24 wrote: Aww blazinghand's WTF moment is so adorableeee
It is important to bear in mind that I was in fact lying horribly, lying like a rug. I'm willing to play the martyr card, the low-energy card, the depression card, to try to win a game of mafia. I'm basically the greatest.
On March 12 2014 08:28 Balla24 wrote: Aww blazinghand's WTF moment is so adorableeee
It is important to bear in mind that I was in fact lying horribly, lying like a rug. I'm willing to play the martyr card, the low-energy card, the depression card, to try to win a game of mafia. I'm basically the greatest.