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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I think the biggest issue I have with you Jay is that you seem to push suspicions on everrrrrrrryone simultaneously: On January 07 2013 08:19 jaybrundage wrote: Ok can we lynch cc now On January 07 2013 08:23 jaybrundage wrote: That was so badddddddddddddddddd. I was gonna go reread Xaltos posting cause the more i looked at him the more i could see townie. Like we lynched him when he wasnt even here. I only see a scum driven wagon when I look at the votes. Hapa questions do you think that both of the scum could of been on that wagon. Do you think it was scummy as fuck for what Zentor and Yamato did. Hammaring with out talking to the town first is terrible we should all b agreeing on shit. Not do rash dumb actons On January 08 2013 11:15 jaybrundage wrote: I would be done for a Shaiopi lynch. Also DP why would you think im scum. If CC comes up as scum. Pushing your partner hard when there is only 2 scum is pretty stupid On January 08 2013 07:08 jaybrundage wrote: Wait its in one hour. Also i think ZBoson might be scummy this is a read straight from the gut tho. IF i have time ill try to write a case incase i get killed. That's like five separate players you've basically accused of being outright scum in the last ~24 hours or so. I think it goes beyond simple paranoia into you trying to "fan the flames" of suspicions in the thread. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
And this recent push of yours on Shaio... it reads like you don't give a shit about who dies when looking at the rest of your play. You've been screaming "CC is scum" over and over again since last night. If you are that convinced he's scum, why are you "down" with a Shaio lynch? And once again I just can't make sense of your reasoning regarding Shaio: 1) You mention that you made a "case" on him, but this case was early on day 1. 2) Your main justification for lynching Shaio right now seems to be this: On January 08 2013 14:00 jaybrundage wrote: I never said he would be a good lynch if hes town. I said his inactivity hurts us whether hes scum or town. In the end I can never know for sure if you, ShaioPi, ZBoson, Zentor or anyone else for that matter is town or scum. However if ShaioPi looks scummy then we should by all means lynch him. So far he hasn't given us much content to go off and determine his alignment. I dont want him at LYLO because if he stays at this post rate we still wont have much to go on. ... Not wanting someone alive at lylo is not a reason to lynch someone. You seemingly want to lynch him here because you can't determine his alignment. Lynching null reads over people you think are scum is sketch. Really sketch. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
I was not happy at what Zentor and Yamato. And i was posting when i was kinda pissed. Scummy wasnt the right word to use tho. I think Dumb as fuck or really stupid, or anti town would all of sufficed better. I still am Null on those players. Leaning town a bit based on what people have said about Zentor's meta and how you guys have a good read on him. Similar to how i deferred to your experience with DP for a read. I have been trying to expand my scum reads more tho cause this CC lynch doesnt look like its gonna happen unless you change your mind about him. What if you were in my position. If you had someone that you thought was scum. But the town refused to lynch him. Even had players HARD defending him. Its kind of frustrating. Z-Boson was more of a gut thing I had the same premonition last game with him and I was right he was scum. So I thought i would throw it out there as opposed to sitting on the information. Also at the top of your post you say its a push.... Its not a push its giving my consent to a lynch that your pushing. I havent made a real case yet since my last one on cc. But its wierd as well. Before most towns were very case orientated. This town not so much. Anyway If ShaioPi starts shitting town vibes and rainbows whats your next scum read? | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 08 2013 14:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Will post more tomorrow. It's like 1am. Have work etc so ill check game during my lunch break and continue posting afterwards. We have plenty of time, dont lynch anybody. You dodged my question about yoru sucm reads T_T | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 08 2013 15:13 DarthPunk wrote: Jay from these latest post you have made it perfectly clear that you don't care if we lynch town. You are scum. Let's do this thing. I have made it clear huh. Well that sucks i just thought i was getting good at mafia. But looks like im still bad at showing to town that im town  Why do you say that? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 08 2013 15:09 jaybrundage wrote: Hapa I do care about who wants to get lynched. But The last 3 days or so my biggest scum read has been CC and your have done a great job of making sure that goes no where. I was not happy at what Zentor and Yamato. And i was posting when i was kinda pissed. Scummy wasnt the right word to use tho. I think Dumb as fuck or really stupid, or anti town would all of sufficed better. I still am Null on those players. Leaning town a bit based on what people have said about Zentor's meta and how you guys have a good read on him. Similar to how i deferred to your experience with DP for a read. I have been trying to expand my scum reads more tho cause this CC lynch doesnt look like its gonna happen unless you change your mind about him. What if you were in my position. If you had someone that you thought was scum. But the town refused to lynch him. Even had players HARD defending him. Its kind of frustrating. Z-Boson was more of a gut thing I had the same premonition last game with him and I was right he was scum. So I thought i would throw it out there as opposed to sitting on the information. Also at the top of your post you say its a push.... Its not a push its giving my consent to a lynch that your pushing. I havent made a real case yet since my last one on cc. But its wierd as well. Before most towns were very case orientated. This town not so much. Anyway If ShaioPi starts shitting town vibes and rainbows whats your next scum read? What was odd about "abandoning" your CC read was that you did so when two players (DP and Yamato) were all-out trying to get CC killed. In fact I've been quite minority view on a "town CC." Everyone else thought he was scum, at which point you all of a sudden you gave your consent to lynch Shaio. As for who I want to lynch other than Shaio, I'll tell you if and when it happens. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Hey guys. I have a secret. The secret is Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls. Wait there's more! If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN. I know my plan. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 10:42 MrZentor wrote: The chart was really easy to make. And your other question wasn't worth answering. It's not worth answering because it doesn't make any fucking sense and you can't back it up. Just to make sure everyone understands where I'm coming from, this is the bit I asked him about: On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote: Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead. He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one. And his entrance and excuse are scummy. His suggestion is very fucking clear and very fucking absurd. -> I am a perfect alternative to hapa, so why didn't I die? -> If I was town, I'd die instead of hapa, because scum wouldn't shoot hapa. -> Hapa got shot. -> Ergo I'm scum! Of course, there's no one else to shoot but hapa and zb! Brilliant thinking! Sound logic! When I asked him about it, apparently it's not worth answering. He's saying I'm "prob not town" because of this logic, he doesn't explain once he's caught on to it. What's worse, he doesn't pursue it, he just goes on making more useless posts in the same manner he did day one: On January 08 2013 12:21 MrZentor wrote: You know, guys. We could lynch somebody right now. c: On January 08 2013 12:27 MrZentor wrote: IDK, too many scummy people. On second thought, let's wait a few days before killing the wrong person. He's feeling comfortable because of the townie curtain placed unto him and lowered down his activity quite significantly. There are zero sort of posts that indicate he's scum hunting. He pushed a clear mafia agenda on lynching Xatalos, and was just "fine" with it, not wanting to push his own other scum read "yamato" at all. His town reads on CC and DP earlier in day one are whack imo. Hapa I'm very curious as to why a simple "meta" argument is the sole reason you are calling him town. Is there a plethora of scum games you are getting his meta from? Can you be more clear on this? I think you guys are giving him an undeserving free pass. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote: GUYS Hey guys. I have a secret. The secret is Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls. Wait there's more! If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN. I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 10:59 Hapahauli wrote: Shaio lurking in bigger games is pretty common. He mentioned in one of his games that he feels "lost" in the larger games and doesn't post much. You'll notice in LVII, he picked up his scum-hunting and activity in a big way when the player-pool got smaller. Also, he didn't post in LVII because of internet problems. He has no such excuse this game. GSL II Mini is the most recent example of his town play (in a mini), where he was leading discussion for most of the game in a lurky town environment. If he's town, he has an opportunity to prove that over the next 48 hours. Otherwise, I'm lynching him. Ohhh, I didn't know that size of games were of importance to him. Skimming GSL II does seem like he was a bit more interested in the game, asking for reads and such. I'll go over that more carefully tomorrow when I'm less sleepy | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On January 08 2013 11:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Never a big fan of meta cases guys. People can change their playstyle on a whim. I've seen meta cases go horribly wrong many times. A little meta here or there is fine, but entire defenses / attacks based on meta don't really hold strong. I don't think we should use them to exonerate (or damn, for that matter) Shaio. So I ask you again, what do you think of Mr.Z after the post I just made? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
In Witchcraft Mini, MrZ tunneled me all of Night 1 and most of Day 2 because I wasn't yet dead. While the logic is similar, the intensity with which he pushed my wagon was far different than he's doing this game. In fact in Witchcraft, he was much more concerned with scumhunting, even on Day 1. I think the overall quality of his reads this game is fairly normal for a town MrZ. However he's been pushing his reads far differently this game. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote: That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote: I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. Just because you say the whole "tunnel me" thing is scummy doesn't mean it actually is. Once again, show me a scum-game of any player where he or she takes that attitude as scum. Any player. I'm serious. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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