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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 18:52 GMT
#941
Everyone was pushing me. I need to clear myself in order for people tovtake me seriously. I cant save you twice anyway, you die then me. I figure being confirmed town is better
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 18:58 GMT
#942
On January 09 2013 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Everyone was pushing me. I need to clear myself in order for people tovtake me seriously. I cant save you twice anyway, you die then me. I figure being confirmed town is better


Oh wellz.

Do you actually make Yamato's pushing of you as scummy? He seems to do that every game - what makes this one different from the past?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 18:59 GMT
#943
Also discrediting yamato's bad case this way is hilarious. Nope, doctor son. Anyway ill be back in 5 hours.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#944
I'll respond after Hapa
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 19:16 GMT
#945
On January 09 2013 04:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll respond after Hapa


After I do what?



Well anyway, I have very mixed feelings on the tunnel. It seems like raving confirmation bais, but I don't believe it's difficult for scum to tunnel at all. And then you have all these posts Yamato was making on Day 1:
On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so.

On January 06 2013 16:59 yamato77 wrote:
@Hapa

From the YANMM Obs QT after I died, I asked how I could have played better:

Toad
12-31-2012
09:27 PM ET (US)
@Yamato:
less emotional would have been better Yamato. I saw you getting influenced by people and how they posted and thought you're raging a lot. And I think you did or it at least altered your reads a lot because you ended up pushing people who made you mad if I remember correctly.

I'm trying.


He was uber passive in the early game because he was trying not to tunnel and avoid situations exactly like the one that just transpired. What happened to all that? I don't know.

And then we have the town-reads on CC earlier on Day 1, most notably the following:
On January 07 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think you guys should lynch CC, he's looked townie this game IMO.


Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 14:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yo guys, cease the shitflinging kk? You both think each other are scum, that's cool and all. You guys can make condense cases later so we don't have to sift through this mess.

This argument could pretty much go on forever between you two. What say you guys to SP being super ultra mega neutral so far this game? Concerning or no?


This post I referenced before but it's a huge town tell in my eyes that he wanted to stop the fight between Hapa/DP that was consuming the thread. He saw two of his town reads going at each other and managed to get them to stop shitting the thread up and post logically. Scum could have egged it on, or not even posted.


It's hard to reverse on something like a "huge town tell," especially when it is so specifically and cleanly rationalized. I dont' know how Yamato seemingly forgot about all of this.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 19:23 GMT
#946
So my questions to Yamato would be:

1) You specifically mentioned that you were trying to make a stylistic change in the way you played, and it played a huge role in how you played the early game. Why did you not follow through, especially since you were making such a huge effort to do so?

2) How did you forget about your "Huge town tell" on CC during all of this? It's hard to believe that you forgot about something so specifically rationalized. You claim that his play seemingly got worse after Day 1 (at which point you started calling him scum), BUT this was very conveniently lined up with sentiments in the thread shifting against CC.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 08 2013 20:30 GMT
#947
Well this is interesting... I actually don't think this claim was to bad of an idea. If we dont get any counter claims. Iimm happy with it. It may mean that im a bad scum hunter but it always is great to have more or less confirmed town.

Time to go shift thru some filters.

Can mafia hold KP or decide not to shoot?

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2013 20:38 GMT
#948
They can.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 20:43 GMT
#949
Does that mean that mafia can save KP (i.e. save one day and use 2 the next), or that they can just abstain from shooting thereby losing the KP)?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2013 20:45 GMT
#950
They would lose the KP, there is no Delay function.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 21:03 GMT
#951
Also, guys, Jay is town.

Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 21:04 GMT
#952
On January 09 2013 06:03 MrZentor wrote:
Also, guys, Jay is town.



So who is scum?

Last game (Witchcraft), you were trying to push scumreads and your ideas. This game, your play has been devoid of it.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 21:05 GMT
#953
Two of Yamato, Z Boson, and ShiaoPi are scum.

So probably Yamato and ShiaoPi.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#954
On January 09 2013 06:05 MrZentor wrote:
Two of Yamato, Z Boson, and ShiaoPi are scum.

So probably Yamato and ShiaoPi.


Okeydoke. So explain then.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 21:12 GMT
#955
Confirmed town
Hapahauli
MrZentor
Mr. CheeseCake

Most Probably Town
jaybrundage
DarthPunk

I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is
Z-Boson

Scum
yamato77
ShiaoPi




It's pretty simple.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 21:24 GMT
#956
Why is jay most likely town at this point?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 21:29 GMT
#957
On January 08 2013 15:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Also I noticed something about my town play. This is bad btw. I almost feel ashamed to admit it. But when I dont have much suspicion on me I kinda die in activity. So Hapa just prod me if i start becoming inactive.


On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, I understand that scum can play actively. However, I have yet to run into a scum that draws attention to themselves in such a manner so deliberately, and at the same time remain that calm about it. There are a very short list of players I believe are capable of that. CC is most definitely not one of those players.


But you have no evidence to suggest that he can't. What you are saying is that the entire basis of your defense of CC and trashing everyones case on him is a Hunch that he couldn't play that way?

DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town?



On January 09 2013 05:30 jaybrundage wrote:
Well this is interesting... I actually don't think this claim was to bad of an idea. If we dont get any counter claims. Iimm happy with it. It may mean that im a bad scum hunter but it always is great to have more or less confirmed town.

Time to go shift thru some filters.

Can mafia hold KP or decide not to shoot?


Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 08 2013 21:29 GMT
#958
On January 09 2013 06:12 MrZentor wrote:
Confirmed town
Hapahauli
MrZentor
Mr. CheeseCake

Most Probably Town
jaybrundage
DarthPunk

I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is
Z-Boson

Scum
yamato77
ShiaoPi




It's pretty simple.

Hrrm I'm undecided on CC still. Given the fact that mafia can hold KP they could set this up to exonerate CC and give him "confirmed" townie status.

They run into the risk of getting counter claimed by the real doctor.

But it is a fifty percent shot that we don't have a doctor. Are those odds the mafia are willing to take I don't know. But its good to keep in mind.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 08 2013 21:31 GMT
#959
On January 09 2013 06:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Why is jay most likely town at this point?

Always lynch bait never not lynch bait duh
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 21:31 GMT
#960
Yeah, if we lynch yamato77 or ShiaoPi and he flips town, we'll have to consider less likely theories like that.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
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