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On January 08 2013 15:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Ya know Z-Bo, I do think you have a very good point about MrZ.
In Witchcraft Mini, MrZ tunneled me all of Night 1 and most of Day 2 because I wasn't yet dead. While the logic is similar, the intensity with which he pushed my wagon was far different than he's doing this game. In fact in Witchcraft, he was much more concerned with scumhunting, even on Day 1.
I think the overall quality of his reads this game is fairly normal for a town MrZ. However he's been pushing his reads far differently this game.
Gah, thank you! Suggesting me as scum and just doing rats ass about it and being useless was just T_T
For now I suggest you drop these meta-ings and look at his overall play. Then when things get more decisive you bring out the meta-ing and stuff.
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On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum.
Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether.
Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes.
I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like:
Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake?
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On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang.
And what about mr.Z? He was your top scum read at one point in this game. Do you still consider him a scum read?
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With that being said I'll take a better look at CC tomorrow. He's been quite active, and I'd rather lynch into people who don't really seem to give a shit.
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On January 08 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake?
Yeah probably =P
Aaaaanyway, bed time for me. I'll hopefully have a concrete read or two this afternoon and/or when Shaio gets his ass back in here.
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On January 08 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake?
Some reasons of my scummyness would be great thx
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Also DP cant we just get along and lynch CC together
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On January 08 2013 16:06 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. And what about mr.Z? He was your top scum read at one point in this game. Do you still consider him a scum read?
Yep. I called him out for two of the posts you did a while ago and he never responded.
I would lynch him
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On January 08 2013 16:07 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake? Some reasons of my scummyness would be great thx
You don't care if the person you lynch is town or scum. How about that?
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On January 08 2013 16:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. Just because you say the whole "tunnel me" thing is scummy doesn't mean it actually is. Once again, show me a scum-game of any player where he or she takes that attitude as scum. Any player. I'm serious.
Give me a player who did that as town. I bet that doesn't exist either.
Yet you think it's a town tell to be a troll and tell people to tunnel you. Okay.
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Vote Count
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Yamato77
jaybrundage (1): DarthPunk
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Not Voting (6): Z-Boson, Hapahauli, Mr. Cheesecake, jaybrundage, MrZentor, ShiaoPi
5 votes are required to lynch.
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On January 08 2013 16:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 16:07 jaybrundage wrote:On January 08 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake? Some reasons of my scummyness would be great thx You don't care if the person you lynch is town or scum. How about that?
Yea thats why i been pushing my scum read CC all game. Also the reason I didn't want people to lynch Xatalos right as i said wait stop you know. As in dont lynch this guy cause he's prolly not scum. If thats all you got im not impressed
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You know what? This discussion about CC's play this game is revolving around his own explanation for it, which has been inconsisten. First he says he was doing it intentionally to generate discussion, but later on his story changed.
On January 08 2013 12:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll be straight up here.
I was never trying to come off scummy at all. I was trying to get answers from people by asking questions / expressing honest thoughts. Somewhere along the line, I got dubbed as scummy "omg not contributing wtf no content just posting for posting". I think to myself, really? Okay. I can't really refute that -- it would just end up in a he said she said situation. By fighting it, I'm getting in the way of finding actual scum. People would still be all over me for crap reasons if I were defending.
So I embrace it. Why fight the general flow of the thread? I'm here to read people and to find scum. What a better way than to talk to people and see if they are genuine in attacking me? It's not the best plan. Nor is it even a decent plan. But it's what I've got to roll with.
@Yamato
My shenanigans were only limited to quote "flinging shit" on some players. That was literally it, in one post I called some people out for BS. Somehow the entire thing has been bloated up into this mess where that one post makes me scum and it apparently is the only think I've done all game. But again, I have to roll with the punches.
Here he gives a different story. Apparently now be didn't expect to be the focus of attention, he made scummy posts all on his own. This is in opposition to his earlier rationalization that he acted scummy intentionally.
Classic example of post-hoc rationale. He's making shit up as he goes. If this isn't indicative of scum behavior I don't know what is.
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On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
Also is has a few of these types of posts in his filter. Instead of coming up with meaningful analysis of the information he is supposedly playing to extract from players, he defers to other people to make his reads for him, mainly Hapa. And what better way to attempt to look townie than sheep Hapa, right?
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When I get home from work in five or so hours I have more about CC's defense of himself and evidence that he really hasn't contributed meaningfully. I would post it now but I'm on my phone and it's difficult with multiple quotes.
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My objective here is to substantiate two points in the overall case against CC that I think have been ignored or shrugged off. First we have the meta read, which can be summarized as the indication that his play this game is not similar to his play in his town games, it lacks something, perhaps intangible, that his town games contain. I will attempt my best to put it to words.
This is his filter from NMM XXXII. In this game he was doc who got NK'd night one because he led the lynch on Oatsmaster, a mafia player. Throughout his filter he contains many posts where he does meaningful analysis, is engaged in and responds actively to the thread, and is overall playing with the objective of figuring the game out.
His filter this game contains only a fraction of the usefulness of his filter in that game, and he died N1 in it. This game he's been alive longer, but accrued the same amount of posts. However, not even that is the reality of his contribution because a great many of his posts are useless, trollish, or just open ended questions that seem like he's contributing.
And when I say questions, I mean a lot of them. I referenced it earlier but in the stead of doing anything meaningful with the information right in front of his face, he pawns it off on another player to make sense of.
On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
On January 05 2013 14:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Anyone read Mr.Z's comment about "I'm easy to read because I do stuff scum never would do!" To be scummy as fk?
On January 06 2013 09:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so. Does it sound legit? Trying to become a different / better / more sophisticated monocle-wearing player? Why am I trying to defend Yamato? Lolololol
On January 06 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:27 jaybrundage wrote:On January 06 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay tunneling me, haha. Hey look a post with out substance lollll How about you write a case on someone you wanna lynch plz I find it ironic that you think im tunneling you, as I have called DP scummy and said I would vote him at the time. And I have made a case on ShaioPi. You really don't know the meaning of ironic, do you? And no, you've pretty much had it out for me since the start of the game. Just think you need to calm yourself. @HapaWhat do you make of Yamatos vote on ya?
On January 08 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
I know I'm in the middle of rolling my face over Yamato, but what do you think about Shaio always defending himself? I made a post about it during the night. Nobody has responded to it in the slightest. Is it a paranoid scumtell?
On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
On January 08 2013 14:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Jay: What do you make of Yamato and his interaction with me / Hapa?
That's an astounding amount of reassurance he needs. He seems afraid to call people scummy, aside from his very early case on Xatalos. He wants other people to do the analysis for him. He's literally been useless in that regard.
The second thing I wanted to touch upon were his defenses of himself.
On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me.
On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato.
In these two posts he establishes the idea that somehow he intended to look scummy to generate discussion. This is not only counter-intuitive because it is a TOWNIE thing to generate discussion, but also obviously an example of what I have realized is post-hoc rationalization. His intentions when he made the posts DP called him out for were almost certainly not to look scummy. Nobody in the game ever has any interest in looking scummy. Not town, not scum, anyone. However, scum do have an interest in making their former scummy actions seem better in hindsight with the types of justifications he gives here.
But then, his story changes, as I outlined clearly in my former post.
Which begs the question, what is CC trying to do today? He has admittedly spent a lot of his time defending himself from my attacks, which is logical, given that I've pressured him quite hard. But what else? Has he even tried to push a scum read today? What has he done with all of the discussion that town has had today? Almost nothing. From his filter, I glean a scum read on Shaio (convenient since he's AFK), and a scummish read on Jay (classic OMGUS fashion, too). Has he tried to substantiate his read on Jay further? Or any read, for that matter, on a player who is actually active? No.
He's been useless. The same as the entire game. The same as he's going to be. So lynch him, with me.
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STOP RIGHT THERE YOU CRIMINAL SCUM.
I was going to wait to claim, but i figure my role won't save anyone else this game. I'mthe Doctor. Partly why ive been so fearless this game is cus ive got this sexy claim. Hapa was shot last night and i saved his arse.
Yamato, you're case is wrong and pretty bad considering you know my spazzy meta.
youve also not said boo to jay this entire game. He's under suspicion but nowhere in your filter can i find his name. You two could totes be scum together. I think yamato or jay for todays lynch.
Figure id claim now that ive gotten input from jay and yamato and others.
Still want to lynch me? There will be no counterclaim. If you're wondering about breadcrumbs, i didnt feel the need other than to be 100% sure i wasnt getting lynched today and i knew hapa was shot at the beginning of D2.
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Also im at work so wont be able to post until later. I bet yamato is so mad right now :3
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I can't believe not a single person picked up on that given CC's post-Night actions regarding the doctor and how I was saved without a doubt.
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And CC, why did you claim? The only person pushing you was Yamato .
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