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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Obv-town as town? You must have not seen my newbie games with him haha. One of the scummiest towns in those games by far. Which games in particular? Can you give me a run-down of his play in those games? Because in recent games I've seen (particularly Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia), he really flaunts a town persona. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
^XXXI was my first game with him. We nearly lynched him D1 for being scummy town. The rest of the game he tunneled me with confirmation bias and he was one of my top scumreads until I figured out the scumteam during lylo (which could have included him). Glancing over the post-game you can see him being like LOL I'm so bad sorry town, etc. But yeah he was scummy all around. In XXXII he was fairly scummy too but I got NK'd n1 so I didn't read into it much after that. Those were his nooby games though, maybe I'll look at some more of his recent games? I just assumed he kept his scummy-town persona thing going on. I don't doubt he's improved. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
But look at his filter in those games. Look how engaged, spammy, and aggressive he is. This game... he's a shell of himself. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:20 Hapahauli wrote: Oh yeah those games. Those weren't very good lynches d00d =P But look at his filter in those games. Look how engaged, spammy, and aggressive he is. This game... he's a shell of himself. Can it all be due to a work schedule? I mean I can sympathize with that. But he's been really lurky so far and I was looking forward to him tunneling the fuck out of me. Him backing down made me a sad panda... | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Can it all be due to a work schedule? I mean I can sympathize with that. But he's been really lurky so far and I was looking forward to him tunneling the fuck out of me. Him backing down made me a sad panda... Even if we dismiss the inactivity (due to RL excuses), it's the backing down that triggers the scum-alarm for me. I've never seen town Yamato back down from a scumread like that. Ever. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote: I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so. Does it sound legit? Trying to become a different / better / more sophisticated monocle-wearing player? Why am I trying to defend Yamato? Lolololol | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Though, I think he's scum because his behavior seems to go beyond a strategic change and into a personality change. . Basically all traces of his town-aggression are gone from his play. Perhaps this is due to inactivity, but it just seems too drastic of a change. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:34 Hapahauli wrote: Btw CC, you mind building a case on Xatalos? He may be indecisive, but I don't see how it's scummy. Tbh I think everyone was overstating my read on Xatalos. My original "case" was just a read post with vote pressure and it kind of got blown out of proportion both by myself and others. Allow me to rationalize why his indecision struck me so: Oats as scum in XXXII. I caught him flip flopping his read on Yamato so hard and lynch him for it. Xatalos did the same thing by contradicting himself within the frame of ~20mins with only 1 post from you inbetween. I'm starting to realize the two situations are different (as scum are more refined in these non-newbie games). But my concern stands that he's only really done that the entire game so far; saying he could be scum because this, but it could also be town. My experience with such play has been that it is scum. Tell me: Is it different? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Also just reading through all the posts since I have been asleep I noticed something weird. It seems as if Jaybrundage and Xatalos have been pushing the same agenda and using very similar reasoning despite extremely limited in thread interaction. Now I know we can't make association cases before a flip, but I thought that I would mention it in case someone else had noticed the same thing. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:44 MrZentor wrote: I feel pressured. As cute as you're being, it would be helpful if you actually did something ya know. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Well his (Xatalos's) "flip-flop" makes sense since I was actively trying to convince him to do exactly that (in regards to DP). I will say that I see hesitancy as a town-trait in instant-lynch setups. It's something I was advocating early on, and him being patient and willing to take time with things makes me lean town on him. He reminds me a lot of Austinmcc in GSL III Mini in terms of his approach to early-game play. I'm not concerned about his "indecision" yet. I might be if this goes on for a couple of more days though. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:45 DarthPunk wrote: Man I would love to hear from Riseagain. This kind of inactivity from a player hurts and it makes it absolutely impossible to determine their alignment. Also just reading through all the posts since I have been asleep I noticed something weird. It seems as if Jaybrundage and Xatalos have been pushing the same agenda and using very similar reasoning despite extremely limited in thread interaction. Now I know we can't make association cases before a flip, but I thought that I would mention it in case someone else had noticed the same thing. Funny, but fairly irrelevant. In fact, mafia buddies often won't push the same mislynch early Day 1 Do you have any individually focused thoughts on Jay and Xatalos? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:47 MrZentor wrote: I can't do much if we're never lynching anybody... Well we're only 48 hours in. No reason to get impatient right now. But all this talk of lynch impatience rings hollow since you haven't voted for anyone... | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 06 2013 10:03 MrZentor wrote: So when do you plan on lynching somebody? Whenever I feel like it. But more importantly, I'm not making a lynch decision on 17 pages of total game filter. That's just asking for fail. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2013 10:03 MrZentor wrote: So when do you plan on lynching somebody? We can start with you right now if you'd like. But I'd rather not, sir. | ||
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