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On January 06 2013 00:12 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 00:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, can you describe in detail the reasoning behind your 180 on Mr.CC?
Also, making a "pressure vote," and then subsequently doing nothing to pressure said player doesn't look very good. His actions when you and DP were having it out were really towny. A scum could have been opportunistic or even just sat back and let it go on but he tried to get cooler heads to prevail and it worked. I haven't really had the time to follow up on anything yet this game. The vote wasn't a pressure vote, it was a play for a reaction, and I got one.
Well the 180 seems especially strange since I'm used to seeing you tunnel players to death for the slightest of reasoning. In fact, Mr.CC hasn't done much to make me think he's town at this stage, and I'm surprised you were willing to give up your pressure so easily.
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On January 06 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote:
I haven't had a problem with this before, but honestly my work schedule this week has been absurd. I am literally giving up thirty minutes out of the five hours I get to sleep today to play mafia right now and I'm putting my thoughts out there.
I don't want to get too much into RL stuffs, but is your activity going to be a problem going forward? Because 30 minutes a day to "chime in" on things is not what I want to have from you going forward.
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I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so.
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On January 06 2013 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote:
I haven't had a problem with this before, but honestly my work schedule this week has been absurd. I am literally giving up thirty minutes out of the five hours I get to sleep today to play mafia right now and I'm putting my thoughts out there. I don't want to get too much into RL stuffs, but is your activity going to be a problem going forward? Because 30 minutes a day to "chime in" on things is not what I want to have from you going forward.
It'll get better after the weekend.
I might have more time later today but I don't even know if I work in six hours or fourteen, lol. I have to wake up to find out.
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I leave for a few hours and the thread explodes. -.-
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On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so.
I can only attribute so much of your behavior to a "change of heart" about tunneling. Fact is, you've done very little resembling aggression this game at all. There's literally nothing in your filter resembling game-analysis, or even sustained pressure.
On January 06 2013 00:20 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:On January 06 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote:
I haven't had a problem with this before, but honestly my work schedule this week has been absurd. I am literally giving up thirty minutes out of the five hours I get to sleep today to play mafia right now and I'm putting my thoughts out there. I don't want to get too much into RL stuffs, but is your activity going to be a problem going forward? Because 30 minutes a day to "chime in" on things is not what I want to have from you going forward. It'll get better after the weekend. I might have more time later today but I don't even know if I work in six hours or fourteen, lol. I have to wake up to find out.
Fortunately we can extend Day 1 beyond the weekend, so I'll be holding you to this standard.
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On January 06 2013 00:40 MrZentor wrote:
I leave for a few hours and the thread explodes. -.-
Thank me later.
Anyway, I'm travelling for a good portion of today, so I'll be away for a little while. If you're town, it's up to you to generate some content.
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At least I know DP is also town now, although Hapa beat me to saying that. -.-
On January 05 2013 14:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Anyone read Mr.Z's comment about "I'm easy to read because I do stuff scum never would do!" To be scummy as fk?
Exactly! Would scum post something that obviously scummy?
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On January 06 2013 00:52 MrZentor wrote:
At least I know DP is also town now, although Hapa beat me to saying that. -.-
Where does this certainty come from by the way? Just curious...
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I like to read people not by if they're contradicting themselves or "pushing mafia agenda", which are pretty unreliable indicators, but by the emotion and genuineness of their posts. Scum have a very difficult time emulating the frustration a townie would feel in a position like DP's, so by seeing that frustration in his recent posts, it is easy to know he is town.
Reading people like this will give you a lot more town reads than scum reads, but in a game like this, being able to find town is nearly as helpful as finding scum, because it makes finding scum much easier by narrowing down the pool of suspects.
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On January 06 2013 01:04 MrZentor wrote:
I like to read people not by if they're contradicting themselves or "pushing mafia agenda", which are pretty unreliable indicators, but by the emotion and genuineness of their posts. Scum have a very difficult time emulating the frustration a townie would feel in a position like DP's, so by seeing that frustration in his recent posts, it is easy to know he is town.
Reading people like this will give you a lot more town reads than scum reads, but in a game like this, being able to find town is nearly as helpful as finding scum, because it makes finding scum much easier by narrowing down the pool of suspects.
Hmm. Alright, I can understand that. It's not very "scientific", but I've often trusted my instincts more than logic (see Paranoia Mafia where I chose to lynch Sandroba over austinmcc despite austinmcc's illogical play). The problem is that it's hard to convince anyone else but yourself with that kind of a read. Another problem is that many of DP's posts have an angry/emotional feel to them, not a frustrated one. Getting angry would fit Mafia being cornered, wouldn't it?
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Like this post for example:
On January 05 2013 06:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:On January 05 2013 06:36 DarthPunk wrote:On January 05 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote:
YES, TUNNEL ME! Finally someone takes a stance on something.
As for why I'm tunneling, I have two options:
1) I can sit here and derp around waiting for someone to do something. Clearly this is not happening this game.
2) I can try to make conversation on something I find off in the thread to get things going.
I always lean towards option 2. This is why I pursue things early and aggressively early in the game. They may or may not stick (i.e. my case on you in Witchcraft Mini), but it's an important part of the process. well I would hardly call that post tunnelling. In fact that reaction is just plain weird. So what you are saying is that you are deliberately acting scummier than usual but that this is what you do every game? Oh that's full of shit and you know it. How am I acting scummier? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the only one here actively trying to start discussion. And what part of my reaction is "weird?" You're dropping words without any reasoning to back it up. The thing that is hurting this game the most right now is lurking. So why are you not saying anything about lurking? In fact the only time you have 'pressured' people is when another player first comments on them. Shiao Pi with Riseagain and myself with Yamato. That's a fantastic idea DarthPunk - let's tunnel people that haven't posted anything less than 24 hours into the game. That will do something useful for discussion. That is quite distinct to what you did in witchcraft for example, which was push people on your own regardless of the positions of others, make a strong case and ask people to judge that on it's merits. The bolded is exactly what I'm doing this game. And the fact that you think I'm scummy because I haven't made a case less than 24 hours into the game with 4 pages of game filter is a level of absurdity I can't begin to comprehend. Who the fuck is saying anything about tunnelling? I clearly said pressure. I fucking pressured lurkers all of day one in witchcraft. And I don;t think you are scummy because you haven;t made a case. I didn't say that. I think you are scummy because of the way you are pushing two weak as shit wagons. Which are obviously weak as shit and me not being able to believe that you as town would not see they are weak as shit. ergo you are scummy as we are CLEARLY not sharing a similar mindset about said wagons. Also you immediate OMGUS is fucking terrible. Not town play. Not good play. Not town hapa play.
Although, on a second look, it could be just overwhelming frustration. Hm... Well, in any case, I don't think DP is a good lynch. With his activity, he'll have a hard time staying safe if he's Mafia. That, and there are many very townish posts from him.
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But frustration wouldn't fit a mafia being pressured.
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And I'm still waffling over Xatalos. -.-
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On January 06 2013 02:07 MrZentor wrote:
But frustration wouldn't fit a mafia being pressured.
Yeah....... That's true.
By the way, what are your top scumreads right now?
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Probably jay, riseagain, or yamato.
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Now that you mention RiseAgain... I'm very uncomfortable with his inactivity so far. He never posted again after the beginning.
There's something interesting in his filter:
On January 04 2013 09:45 RiseAgain wrote:
What your post is doing is detracting from something we should be doing, setup-analysis, this setup has a very clear town slant with the proper play. I already know what it is, three townie points to the first person to propose it, if no one has come up with it in the next... 12-24 hours I'll explain it, after all, we have time.
What might this be about? I have a feeling he's going to make some giant post soon enough and focus on this idea. However, I don't feel good about focusing on "setup-analysis". I really doubt there's some trick that would make us win based on the setup. It always comes down to player analysis, in the end.
I'm not really willing to lynch him right now though. His inactivity is bad, but not necessarily scummy. And when he did post (long ago), his posts were focused on the setup, yeah, but it at least looked like he was trying to achieve something and convince others of his ideas. At the very least I want to see him posting again before judging.
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Why do you see jaybrundage as scummy? I'm not sold on that. He made some good points about ShiaoPi and offered his opinions pretty casually - I don't get the feeling he was unwilling to talk about anything.
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On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.
After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.
@ Jay
What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?
Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself.
First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position.
The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched.
The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong.
Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game.
He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff.
On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So Xatalos is scummy yo
So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.
Dat 180 on DP. Explain.
He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing.
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Oh and Wtf Rise post some shit
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