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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
I want him to post, that is the whole reason for the vote. Does not seem to work though. Now Jay I can see where you are coming from with to insane to be scum but still this is just cheap, dropping vote like that, vanishing for a bit of time and then popping back in saying I'll post more afterwards. Scum do mess up sometimes, shouldn't discard it just that easily. More importantly Jay who do you wanna lynch today? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
As for not voting for hapa. I didn't feel the need to vote hapa as I was not yet sure he was scum and still am not sure. In a format such as this I don't really like parking my vote on someone for long periods of time. The last time I did so in a instant majority game someone got hammered whilst i was asleep with my vote on him as a pressure vote. So i do not wish to repeat that experience. Especially on a player like hapa that I wouldn't want to lynch unless I was very very certain of his guilt, as he is being quite active and creating content. Do I think the length of hapa's filter determines his alignment? No I think as scum hapa would be quite able to be engaged and active even be the most active in a town such as this. The thing is though. He has produced little in terms of valuable content. He has tunnelled me and push some bad wagons and asked people for their input. Hardly a wealth of quality material. Also his push on me is highly manipulative and fallacious, which makes me feel he is pushing an agenda rather than pushing for the truth. That is the key point in all of this. I want to be certain of hapa's guilt before I push for his lynch. There are very good reasons to be unsure of my guilt but hapa doesn't give a fuck about that. He wants to push his lynch first on Rise then on Yamato (lynch bait of the century) then on me. Hapa demonstrably does not give a fuck about being Correct he cares about his agenda and manipulates the facts in order to facilitate that. Moving on Xatalos is scummy as fuck. First there is his list post. Then he defends me and calls me townie. Hapa says a few things and he has the complete opposite position. He sheeps hapa and starts calling me his number 1 scum read. That is so off. I probably want to lynch Xatalos more than I want to lynch hapa today. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 05 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote: @ Xatalos Well keep in mind that the only reason that DP is active is because I've been tunneling him rather adamantly. As for MrZ, well we can agree to disagree on him. If you do find him suspicious, I do encourage you to tunnel him and get something out of him. This is bullshit by the way. I started going after hapa and then he omgus'd me straight up. It is not like hapa called me scum and I started scumhunting. The opposite actually I called hapa scum and he roared into the thread and started flaming and OMGUSING me. On January 05 2013 08:56 Hapahauli wrote: Saying "lurking suckzzz" is non-alignment indicative alone, but when you don't follow up on it at all, it's scummy. Especially when you chose to go after the guy with 40% of the Day 1 posts instead of the lurkers. What has he done to encourage lurkers to post? Nothing! Everyone said lurking sucks. and not everyone has gone after lurkers. In fact the only difference between me and those others are that I think you are scum and they do not. You are now trying to find justification for your flames and omgus but are not following through on that with others either. Others have said lurking sucks and not pursued lurkers. Does that make them scum also? You in fact said the same thing about lurkers and are now tunneling the most active person aside from yourself, and have not touched on the lurkers. I am pursuing my number one scum read. that is not scummy. I have before as town said Lynch all lurkers and then ignored them and pursued my number one scum read vigorously. MANY MANY MANY townies decry lurkers and then ignore them in pursuit of their biggest scum read. That is perfectly normal behavior for town. is CERTAINLY not alignment indicative nor enough grounds for a lynch as you well know. The fact of the matter is you are just grasping at anything to justify your OMGUS of me and to flame me with. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Why do you cal Hapa scum if you were not sure on him? There were plenty of examples? | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 05 2013 13:45 Hapahauli wrote: I disagree. For one, I've never seen yamato play a scum-game, so I'm not sure what he's capable of. Secondly, his post is attention grabbing because it was bad, and NOT because he was attention-seeking. If he was attention-seeking, I'd agree with your town read. This is simply not the case with Yamato's post here. This is especially true since Yamato NORMALLY is very boisterous, active, and confrontational with his scumreads as town. He's been the exact opposite so far. Also Jay, you've been very forthcoming with town-reads, but haven't had any scum-reads to offer. Who is your top scumread right now and why? What this is the first time i said someone might b town. I said as a general rule we shouldn't share town reads. I dont have any real solid reads on any scum yet. But, I dont like how Shaiopi hasnt dont much yet this game. He has put a pressure vote on Risen for no reason. Risen will post as soon as he posts. The vote serves no purpose. He has giving wishy washy stances on everything. Hes calling everyone townie/null read. And then procceds back to "pressuring" Risen just to get more content from him. When asked for scum he responds with me and yamato. Me for doing nothing however he then proceeds to say that thisn't an alignment indicator, and then for yamato for having meltdown in logic. While I dont think it was necessary for yamato to post what he did about hapa. I think he did it cause he was showing his thought process. On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier. @Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now. I want to see more from RiseAgain, so ##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!  Then he procceds to poke at yamato with out giving any stance on his posting. On January 05 2013 12:50 ShiaoPi wrote: yamato77 this is kind of really silly..... He has been trying to lay low this entire game. I think its scummy. And i could see him as scum for sure. Might as well follow it up ##Vote ShiaoPi Thoughts? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You've been balls out convinced that I'm scum. You've explicitly called me scum over and over throughout the thread. And now... you're not convinced that I'm scum? And not only that... you want to go after Xalatos. Mmmmmhm. Moving on Xatalos is scummy as fuck. First there is his list post. Then he defends me and calls me townie. Hapa says a few things and he has the complete opposite position. He sheeps hapa and starts calling me his number 1 scum read. That is so off. I probably want to lynch Xatalos more than I want to lynch hapa today. Oh wait, then derp I'm back to being your #1 scumread: I am pursuing my number one scum read. that is not scummy. I have before as town said Lynch all lurkers and then ignored them and pursued my number one scum read vigorously. MANY MANY MANY townies decry lurkers and then ignore them in pursuit of their biggest scum read. That is perfectly normal behavior for town. is CERTAINLY not alignment indicative nor enough grounds for a lynch as you well know. The fact of the matter is you are just grasping at anything to justify your OMGUS of me and to flame me with. I'll get to some more specifics in that reply of yours, but I just had to post this. Also DP, please outline your "case" on me, so I can rip it apart for how incoherent it is. Just give me a bullet list. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
I am doing a pressure vote on Rise since his last post seemed to me as if he would just be gone for a couple of hours before popping back into the thread, as he has not done so, I believe myself justified well enough, since I have questions for him that I want answered. I think you got ninja'ed by me during writing your post. I did give out a stancee on his posting. I also fail to see how I have tried to lie low in this game.... Your case seems really weak to me. /shrug | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:02 ShiaoPi wrote: @DP: Why do you cal Hapa scum if you were not sure on him? There were plenty of examples? If you think someone is probably scum but are not positive, do you go in with the mindset DP could be scum or DP is scum and then go from there? The fact is, if you want people to take you seriously you do not say ummm DP could be scum but I am not sure but these things here and here and here are all scummy. But maybe I am wrong. That would not succeed in placing pressure on that person or even be taken seriously at all. If you are pressuring someone you want to call them scum. you are trying to make them uncomfortable and gauge their reactions. I was scared of voting hapa, being wrong and being responsible for a sudden bandwagon and lynch of a strong townie. I am more than happy to take as much time as I need to learn the facts and be fucking certain of my vote before it is cast. There is no deadline I have no need to rush these things. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 05 2013 07:07 DarthPunk wrote: I will be gone soon. If I stop posting you know why. @everyone besides hapa. If you get outposted by scum as town you fail at this game. Just saying. Well, that is cool with me HAPA. I don't have to convince you you are scum. I just have to convince the town. And that should be straightforward after this little party we have been having together. And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. So what's all the above then... meaningless rhetoric? Now all of a sudden, you have this new "hesitancy" about things. I'm no longer surefire scum despite all the earlier stuff you've been spouting. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:06 Hapahauli wrote: You seem to be bursting at the seams DP. You've been balls out convinced that I'm scum. You've explicitly called me scum over and over throughout the thread. And now... you're not convinced that I'm scum? And not only that... you want to go after Xalatos. Mmmmmhm. Oh wait, then derp I'm back to being your #1 scumread: I'll get to some more specifics in that reply of yours, but I just had to post this. Also DP, please outline your "case" on me, so I can rip it apart for how incoherent it is. Just give me a bullet list. You think that being unsure and inconsistent is a scum tell? You are out of your mind. I am unsure because I am unsure. If I was scum I could fucking fake certainty twist everything you say into something scummy and then tunnel you to death all the while sounding like the most confident person in the world. I have done it before. it is easy. It is exactly what you are doing with me. With you I am trying to figure shit out still. And I wouldn't like to mislynch you if I happen to be wrong. So I am taking my sweet time. you WERE my number one scum read during the time I was arguing with you. Then I saw xatalos acting all scummy and would probably prefer to lynch him. It is fairly obvious what I was saying no need to twist it into something else entirely. I know it aids your cause but do try to stop being dense sweetie. I have no interest in repeating myself for you hapa. I will respond to others but I refuse to get into a flame war with you. My position can be found easily within my filter. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:13 ShiaoPi wrote: @DP: Well I do in fact go with XX could be scum unless I feel sure then I am willing to commit and tunnel to oblivion. But I think you know that already. I would have thought you to be more of the tunnelfest-type as soon as you pick up a trail, but that might be me remembering wrong. Well I would like to see your case on hapa then as soon as you can post it... I suggest you read my filter. Everything on hapa is contained within those posts. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You think that being unsure and inconsistent is a scum tell? You are out of your mind. I am unsure because I am unsure. If I was scum I could fucking fake certainty twist everything you say into something scummy and then tunnel you to death all the while sounding like the most confident person in the world. I have done it before. it is easy. It is exactly what you are doing with me. You're not unsure. You're lying out of your teeth. What's all this shit then if you're "unsure"? Page one of your filter screams otherwise. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=12#230 | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
If you are really certain on Hapa then I would like you to condense it into a post and try convincing us. While it is true that you have time since there is no deadline, I would rather see it sooner or later, also taking into account the recent interactions. Otherwise if you would decide to drop Hapa then tell us why and why Xatalos is the scummier person | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:07 ShiaoPi wrote: @Jay: I am doing a pressure vote on Rise since his last post seemed to me as if he would just be gone for a couple of hours before popping back into the thread, as he has not done so, I believe myself justified well enough, since I have questions for him that I want answered. I think you got ninja'ed by me during writing your post. I did give out a stancee on his posting. I also fail to see how I have tried to lie low in this game.... Your case seems really weak to me. /shrug You have attempted to not trod on anyones toes this game. You think hapa and dp are town you think Xalatos is town/null You give some weak reads on yamato and me. And then you say you would consider voting DP but would be hesitant. Question what made you switch? You said you thought he was town, But now you can see your self voting for him. What made you go from probably town to possible lynch target as scum. Also with all that has happened in the thread any new scum reads? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
The key point is not pushing another townie that is weaker. The key point of my meta is DROPPING the STRONGER case for a WEAKER case that is on a weaker player. The fact is I am clearly not dropping the stronger case on you. I am still quite determined to go after you. That does not mean I want to ignore everything else in the thread. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10848 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:22 ShiaoPi wrote: I read your filter DP, not convincing... If you are really certain on Hapa then I would like you to condense it into a post and try convincing us. While it is true that you have time since there is no deadline, I would rather see it sooner or later, also taking into account the recent interactions. Otherwise if you would decide to drop Hapa then tell us why and why Xatalos is the scummier person what was not convincing about it exactly? And I really don't have the time to condense it down though I probably should. I will do so when I get home from my mothers later tonight. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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DarthPunk
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: I suggest you read my filter. Everything on hapa is contained within those posts. Most effective way to push a scum-read ever. Hell I've attempted to read through your filter and see what "case" you have against me, and it's non-existant. All I see you is screaming that I've engaged in "manipulation" and that I'm "scummy" a bunch of times. That's it. Then I see things like this and I just have to laugh: 1) And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. 2) The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. This is wrong on so many levels that it's sad. 1) You blatantly admit that everything you're accusing me of are hallmarks of my town play. Yet you randomly and arbitrarily suggest that I'm "emulating" it. Why? You offer no reasons. Whoops. 2) This is blatantly false, as you were convinced I was scum in Witchcraft Mini Mafia until I revealed my alignment to you over IRC after you died. I was not "clearly" town in your view. Hell you think I'm scum all the time when I'm town. | ||
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