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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
February 05 2013 01:50 GMT
#1901
Would love to hear what AS and Suck think we should do both if they're getting killed and what they would do if they're left alive. Also would love to hear from Nova, it feels kind of wrong to not lynch him with his play, but the case against Marv is pretty compelling (especially in contrast to LIX) and I would expect more out of both AS heads than out of Nova in addition to Nova being much less of a threat magic wise it seems.
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 01:57 GMT
#1902
On February 05 2013 10:50 Stutters695 wrote:
Would love to hear what AS and Suck think we should do both if they're getting killed and what they would do if they're left alive. Also would love to hear from Nova, it feels kind of wrong to not lynch him with his play, but the case against Marv is pretty compelling (especially in contrast to LIX) and I would expect more out of both AS heads than out of Nova in addition to Nova being much less of a threat magic wise it seems.


why the fuck are you comparing this game to lix, srsly. this is just light relief
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 02:00 GMT
#1903
Killing you with a Zombie horde will be "light relief" :3

~dandel
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 02:02 GMT
#1904
yes, but you'll always be a shit mafia player and i will not. so horses for courses
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 02:03 GMT
#1905
Keep flaming, scummer.

Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens.

No need to be a salty asshole about it
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 02:04 GMT
#1906
On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Keep flaming, scummer.

Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens.

No need to be a salty asshole about it


no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 02:05 GMT
#1907
On February 05 2013 11:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Keep flaming, scummer.

Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens.

No need to be a salty asshole about it


no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be.

SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 02:07 GMT
#1908
I'll say this only once again: if me/aperture flip town, make sure you are actually able to flip CH next.

Anyway, this game isn't fun anymore so I won't be posting anymore.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 02:08 GMT
#1909
That's cool too.

While you're at it you can just concede. No need to drag a solved game out any further.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 03:36 GMT
#1910
Marv, this is a personal message outside of the game universe: I don't care whether you're town or scum. You flaming the crap out of people who think you're scum is not playing well. As neither alignment. We can talk about it postgame if you like, but please refrain from making ad hominem attacks. You're better than that.

/Acro
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
February 05 2013 06:36 GMT
#1911
Currently on my scumometer Aperture=Suck>Rockhydra=Stutters.
This means that i find that we should kill Aperture or suck today.
My issue with killing suck is that marv doesnt seem to give a shit and hes bitching like its no problem. would scum marv do this? I knoe its WIFOM, but i still doubt it.
I would also be more apt to want to lynch RH over stutters as he is more of a danger in both deck and play.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
February 05 2013 06:52 GMT
#1912
The point that CH needs to be able to be killed is a valid one, and i worry about that.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
February 05 2013 08:34 GMT
#1913
Good morning all
Marv not wanting to talk anymore doesn't really help their case.
This game is getting way too confusing. Just too many scum candidates.
Hopefully tonight I can make sense of things.

Almost starting to feel like getting 4 people low on health today and then killing them all off in the next day. Then at least we know we have enough KP left over tomorrow.
scum must surely be between nova/AS/CH/Suck

Was thinking about CH again. On one hand, there isn't much reason for CH to go after Suck if they are scum, besides a deck that looks a little stronger. On the other hand, xfire outing himself early sure did a lot of good for CH's reputation. Xfire is still not dead yet. Normally we would have at least be a little weary of CH until flip. But now he has been able to enjoy all his town cred for several days already. A good reason to give up and out yourself is if you KNOW you will be focussed down. How would you know for sure? If your powerful scumbuddy tells you they will kill you.
I guess I'm back to being paranoid.

/zebezt
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 11:14 GMT
#1914
On February 05 2013 15:52 Nova_Terra wrote:
The point that CH needs to be able to be killed is a valid one, and i worry about that.


This is only valid if you think that we are scum. The only reason you think we might be scum is because we have a powerful deck. You, nor anybody else has given a reason to think we're scum.

If we are scum, we have played the most insanely brilliant game ever played by a scum ever. At the same time, we have played the most insanely mindbogglingly stupid game ever played by a scum ever. BOTH AT ONCE.

Here is what we have done as scum:

1. The very first action of Xfire was apparently to write in scumQT: "I am going to claim scum on D2, so what you should do is bus me hardcore from my opening post until I am dead." This will give you town credit. To which we replied "sure buddy, claiming scum is a wonderful idea" and followed the plan through. In fact, we did this so convincingly that Xfire was easily

2. We did this so convincingly that Xfire took out the only (potentially) important card in our graveyard and the main engine of our deck. This effectively stalls our deck from a point where we would have been completely unkillable by town (as in, entirely) and could probably have killed 2 townies singlehandedly in D4, to a point where we are merely strong contenders. The ninjas are getting rolling and Rock will have 2 decently big creatures and a load of shitty ones next turn. Stutters will eventually have a load of fatties and presumably Nova's deck is coming online at some point around now, with finally a changeling hitting the board.

3. When someone came up with a plan for Xfire to live, we panicked and tried to bury it in 1-line spam. Because we don't want our scumbuddy seeing the plan for him to live. When this failed to work because people discussed it instead of burying it, we yelled at SnB for being stupid. Because we, as scum, realize that our scumbuddy living for a day longer would be a terrible blow to our master plan (this was sarcasm).

4. Okay, so all is well again, scumbuddy Xfire is back on track to be dying. We are on our way to the fruition of our masterplan and everybody is planning on killing the guy with the potentially scary combo deck, that might go off in our faces despite our strong creature-based position. We then look at Suck and think "hrmmm, SnB is also good at magic, and he has this incredibly scary Verduran Enchantress out". Furthermore, this combos INCREDIBLY WELL with Words of War, which he has in his hand. He will be able to do 2 entire damage for 2 mana any time he plays an enchantment. With Shimmering Wings (of which I don't even think there's a GRW variant) that would mean 2 damage to anything or anybody for the measly cost of 4 mana.
At least, that is the case I have heard so far for why we are pushing this lynch onto Suck from a scum perspective: "Suck's deck is more powerful". What? Now I don't know how SnB's deck works. It's possible that there is another piece to the combo that will eventually cause that to be a threat. However, that same can be said for Aperture, who seems far more likely to, at some point, just play 15 cards and say "I deal 20 damage to everybody. I win". Furthermore, since when does scum behave like this? Scum doesn't spend all day derailing town plans to possibly kill a guy who looks like he might be a threat in the future. No. They go along with town plans and then kill the threat at night.

5. Just read our filter, okay. Just look at it and see how completely impossible our play would have been from a scum perspective. Even if you think we're wrong about Suck, look at our filter.

TLDR: Don't panic. I know it's scary to be carried. I was super paranoid of Sandroba in SSM when he came up with the plan to "everybody just mass claim to me and I'll carry you all to victory". But after a lot of evaluation I realized it was highly unlikely he was scum and went with it. Now I'm not claiming I can hold a candle to Sandro's town play, but if you take a moment to analyze both Dandel and my play this game you will see that us being scum is completely impossible this game. And that is why you don't need us to be killable.

/Acro

PS: to preempt Zebezt, pointing out why we're town is because apparently nobody is taking our repeated advice to actually read our filter and figure this shit out for themselves and is instead listening to scum Marv's words (when they should just be preparing to kill him).
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 11:36 GMT
#1915
On February 05 2013 20:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 15:52 Nova_Terra wrote:
The point that CH needs to be able to be killed is a valid one, and i worry about that.


This is only valid if you think that we are scum. The only reason you think we might be scum is because we have a powerful deck. You, nor anybody else has given a reason to think we're scum.

If we are scum, we have played the most insanely brilliant game ever played by a scum ever. At the same time, we have played the most insanely mindbogglingly stupid game ever played by a scum ever. BOTH AT ONCE.

Here is what we have done as scum:

1. The very first action of Xfire was apparently to write in scumQT: "I am going to claim scum on D2, so what you should do is bus me hardcore from my opening post until I am dead." This will give you town credit. To which we replied "sure buddy, claiming scum is a wonderful idea" and followed the plan through. In fact, we did this so convincingly that Xfire was easily

2. We did this so convincingly that Xfire took out the only (potentially) important card in our graveyard and the main engine of our deck. This effectively stalls our deck from a point where we would have been completely unkillable by town (as in, entirely) and could probably have killed 2 townies singlehandedly in D4, to a point where we are merely strong contenders. The ninjas are getting rolling and Rock will have 2 decently big creatures and a load of shitty ones next turn. Stutters will eventually have a load of fatties and presumably Nova's deck is coming online at some point around now, with finally a changeling hitting the board.

3. When someone came up with a plan for Xfire to live, we panicked and tried to bury it in 1-line spam. Because we don't want our scumbuddy seeing the plan for him to live. When this failed to work because people discussed it instead of burying it, we yelled at SnB for being stupid. Because we, as scum, realize that our scumbuddy living for a day longer would be a terrible blow to our master plan (this was sarcasm).

4. Okay, so all is well again, scumbuddy Xfire is back on track to be dying. We are on our way to the fruition of our masterplan and everybody is planning on killing the guy with the potentially scary combo deck, that might go off in our faces despite our strong creature-based position. We then look at Suck and think "hrmmm, SnB is also good at magic, and he has this incredibly scary Verduran Enchantress out". Furthermore, this combos INCREDIBLY WELL with Words of War, which he has in his hand. He will be able to do 2 entire damage for 2 mana any time he plays an enchantment. With Shimmering Wings (of which I don't even think there's a GRW variant) that would mean 2 damage to anything or anybody for the measly cost of 4 mana.
At least, that is the case I have heard so far for why we are pushing this lynch onto Suck from a scum perspective: "Suck's deck is more powerful". What? Now I don't know how SnB's deck works. It's possible that there is another piece to the combo that will eventually cause that to be a threat. However, that same can be said for Aperture, who seems far more likely to, at some point, just play 15 cards and say "I deal 20 damage to everybody. I win". Furthermore, since when does scum behave like this? Scum doesn't spend all day derailing town plans to possibly kill a guy who looks like he might be a threat in the future. No. They go along with town plans and then kill the threat at night.

5. Just read our filter, okay. Just look at it and see how completely impossible our play would have been from a scum perspective. Even if you think we're wrong about Suck, look at our filter.

TLDR: Don't panic. I know it's scary to be carried. I was super paranoid of Sandroba in SSM when he came up with the plan to "everybody just mass claim to me and I'll carry you all to victory". But after a lot of evaluation I realized it was highly unlikely he was scum and went with it. Now I'm not claiming I can hold a candle to Sandro's town play, but if you take a moment to analyze both Dandel and my play this game you will see that us being scum is completely impossible this game. And that is why you don't need us to be killable.

/Acro

PS: to preempt Zebezt, pointing out why we're town is because apparently nobody is taking our repeated advice to actually read our filter and figure this shit out for themselves and is instead listening to scum Marv's words (when they should just be preparing to kill him).


this is all fine, as long as town can still kill you once it used its KP on me and Aperture.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
February 05 2013 11:46 GMT
#1916
ok ok CH
I need to take a chill pill. Although I still think ignoring people with useless scum accusations is more helpful. Doesn't waste so much time. If I had to deal with everybody that had some weird scumfeel about us, I wouldnt have time to scumhunt.

I still think we should lynch nova instead of AS though. At least AS tries to be useful, nova is completely useless. And super suspicious with bullshit about xfire maybe not being scum.

/zebezt
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 11:54 GMT
#1917
On February 05 2013 20:46 RockHydra wrote:
ok ok CH
I need to take a chill pill. Although I still think ignoring people with useless scum accusations is more helpful. Doesn't waste so much time. If I had to deal with everybody that had some weird scumfeel about us, I wouldnt have time to scumhunt.

I still think we should lynch nova instead of AS though. At least AS tries to be useful, nova is completely useless. And super suspicious with bullshit about xfire maybe not being scum.

/zebezt

I am quite happy with Dandel's AS is town case. Am in the process of deciding where I think the extra KP should go. Hopefully Dandel comes back and we can discuss it. I agree that keeping AS alive is a good plan, because he's town. I thought the rest of town couldn't be convinced of this, but if one of you is coming to see the light, then it may be worth fighting for.

/Acro
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 13:07:25
February 05 2013 12:42 GMT
#1918
On February 05 2013 11:02 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
yes, but you'll always be a shit mafia player and i will not. so horses for courses

On February 05 2013 11:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Keep flaming, scummer.

Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens.

No need to be a salty asshole about it


no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be.

This is unacceptable behaviour. Consider this a last warning, or a modkill will follow.


Furthermore, an advance warning: Posting logs between hydras is unacceptable to 'prove' whether you're townie or not. I experienced it first hand in SSB Mafia. Any such activity will result in an instant modkill.
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 12:49 GMT
#1919
On February 05 2013 21:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:02 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
yes, but you'll always be a shit mafia player and i will not. so horses for courses

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Keep flaming, scummer.

Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens.

No need to be a salty asshole about it


no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be.

This is unacceptable behaviour. Consider this a last warning, or a modkill will follow.

Furthermore, an advance warning: Posting logs between hydras is unacceptable to 'prove' whether you're townie or not. I experienced it first hand in SSB Mafia. Any such activity will result in an instant modkill.


my apologies, it was an unwarrantedly rude display of frustration
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
February 05 2013 12:50 GMT
#1920
also i was kinda drunk last night but that's not an excuse either
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
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