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On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well, I agree with that Stutters.
Prome just told me that as well (he's been awake for 28 hours so won't post here just in case)
Kill Aperture and Suck today, and tomorrow (if both were town) focus on Nova and Rock.
I'd add that if there is a tomorrow (i.e both Aperture and Suck flip town), we just take a clean state and consider everybody as possible candidates, including Clock, just in case.
The thing about Clock is that he could have easily keep going against Suck on T1, and could have jumped on my case on Aperture like Suck did, but he just ignored both and decided to 100% kill Xfire
Unless they both planned for Xfire to out himself, then that doesn't make sense at all if he's scum.
There's also the fact that he's been active as shit, and maybe has scumhunted more than me this game. Also both heads are pretty active doing shit, not just 1 while the other one goes AFK or something (like Toad last game).
Also he was the first one that found Xfire and let his fury against him.
Those should count in his favor....right?
/G
Definitely in his favor but everything about this case feels opportunistic as shit. I also don't giveas much credit to staying on XFire because I'm a reasonably bad scumhunter (like I try, but my value until that gets better is more revolving around confirming myself to people) and I had XF pegged as scum. A bus might not have been the original intention but with how obvious XF was he wasn't living past d2 even if aperture was our d1 lynch. I would seriously consider busing there as they gain almost nothing from xf living an extra day but the town cred is huge.
The activity is huge though, my concern is more over if we think there is a chance he is scum we don't win 2v1 vs CH. He can just chump and lol while the mafia mob kills us. We need to decide if he's town and keep his kp or flip him tomorrow because if he survives and is scum we're boned.
If he was playing a deck like mine I wouldn't be nearly as concerned as we could take him in lylo easy, butthe horde aspect really worries me and is at least worth accounting for. Again not saying he's scum but we need to really take our time and come to a conclusion because it's probably game deciding.
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On February 05 2013 08:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:We aren't town because we made a case on Xfire. We know he was acting super scummy and several people realized it. However, if you were to click on our filter and read a few of our posts, you would realize how much nonsense your allegation is. Also, we're not "milking the xfire case". We are trying to kill scum. PS. If you think "milking the xfire case" is scummy, we present scum Marv: Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:32 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 09:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways, we can go hunting for the remaining scum
Who here thinks Aperture isn't the remaining scum?
Also, who thinks that CH/me/Rock/Bin could possibly be scum in any way possible (regarding what's happening with Xfire and previous interactions)? Please raise your hand.
/G Well Nova looks much better now, I'm happy to get off my Burgler tunnel, even if it was the best thing ever. CH obviously looks much better compared to my previous list because of the Crossfire stuff. This obviously leaves a really large line where CH has moved up a lot as well as Nova, and Crossfire moved down. The first thing I did in this game was agree that Crossfire was scummy and attack Aperture. I'm totes an MTG master. And he never even made a case on Xfire, just non-committally "agreed" to it. Taking credit for a scum lynch when you didn't do jack shit for it? Hell yeah, sign scum Marv up (this scumtell was brought to you by Dandel Ion, the best Ion). /Acro
I'm 100% for an AS Marv flip. unless people present valid reasons why that shouldn't be the case I'm going to play the rest of the turn as they're town. If that's wrong, we win no harm done, but if they are town we shouldn't stifle discussion.
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On February 05 2013 07:11 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Hopeless has been kind of absent lately as well (I think). I'd like his thoughts on this whole thing
What exactly? Not killing AS now? Because that actually sounds completely reasonable, I prefer to WIFOM that dilemma into AS being town. That means I should want stutters and Nova based on my previous reads. I'm reconsidering stutters. He wants me to update my read on him and doesn't want to let me off the hook for what I've said. That feels townie to me.
Based on the interaction between marv and acro, I'd prefer SuckMyTopDeck over AS for today's primary lynch target.
I'm rereading Nova to see if I still want him as my second choice. One of the rare times my hydra-head and I manage to agree. I'm around for 10ish minutes and then headed out to dinner. I'll be catching up properly later tonight.
~Hopeless
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I am much more comfortable killing stutters than suck. The analysis you provided us clock really hints at a lot of the same things I talked about. However, I will be the first to admit that suck has for some reason slipped under my radar all game, and thats probably not a good sign. I'll take a look at him tonight. I will help town do whatever needs to be done, which from my standpoint I assume is forking that damage onto cross. Just let me know when you need it.
-GreY
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How exactly is two days' time "too late" to post?
I mean, sorry for not posting it on day 1? or what you want from us.
Tell me what your actual problem is.
On February 05 2013 08:34 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 07:11 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Hopeless has been kind of absent lately as well (I think). I'd like his thoughts on this whole thing What exactly? Not killing AS now? Because that actually sounds completely reasonable, I prefer to WIFOM that dilemma into AS being town. That means I should want stutters and Nova based on my previous reads. I'm reconsidering stutters. He wants me to update my read on him and doesn't want to let me off the hook for what I've said. That feels townie to me. Based on the interaction between marv and acro, I'd prefer SuckMyTopDeck over AS for today's primary lynch target. I'm rereading Nova to see if I still want him as my second choice. One of the rare times my hydra-head and I manage to agree. I'm around for 10ish minutes and then headed out to dinner. I'll be catching up properly later tonight. ~Hopeless
Why are you even thinking about that?
>.<
It's not about who you "should" want to lynch.
Are your opinions so weak you have trouble remembering them?
~dandel
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The one thing everyone needs to agree on is whatever our attacks are, everyone needs to be on the same page and not attack freely. We don't want the mafia creature to kill anyone tonight.
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On February 05 2013 08:43 Clockwork Hydra wrote:How exactly is two days' time "too late" to post? I mean, sorry for not posting it on day 1? or what you want from us. Tell me what your actual problem is. Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 08:34 RockHydra wrote:On February 05 2013 07:11 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Hopeless has been kind of absent lately as well (I think). I'd like his thoughts on this whole thing What exactly? Not killing AS now? Because that actually sounds completely reasonable, I prefer to WIFOM that dilemma into AS being town. That means I should want stutters and Nova based on my previous reads. I'm reconsidering stutters. He wants me to update my read on him and doesn't want to let me off the hook for what I've said. That feels townie to me. Based on the interaction between marv and acro, I'd prefer SuckMyTopDeck over AS for today's primary lynch target. I'm rereading Nova to see if I still want him as my second choice. One of the rare times my hydra-head and I manage to agree. I'm around for 10ish minutes and then headed out to dinner. I'll be catching up properly later tonight. ~Hopeless Why are you even thinking about that? >.< It's not about who you "should" want to lynch. Are your opinions so weak you have trouble remembering them? ~dandel
Again I'm not saying you're scum. Just that after we see the flips from today everyone needs to reevaluate because if you have been playing a great scum game, letting you live past the next turn would all but seal our fate. Your focus on this lynch compared to playing long term worries me.
The time thing I meant like hours before the attack phase your case on Marv came seemingly out of nowhere.
It's probably just paranoia but I felt it worth bringing up.
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seemingly out of nowhere very close to the main phase deadline which means our decision has to be more rash which is never a good thing*
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huh isn't deadline tomorrow?
like, in 23 hours from now?
~dandel
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Yeah but at least it rationalized why DoD got dropped
~Hopeless
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On February 05 2013 08:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Hey marv, could you get S&B here? I mean, your life depends on it, so you could try, right?
/G
I'm home, and I cannot. I'm going to repeat it here.
If you are committed to killing me and Aperture, make sure that Clockwork can be killed afterwards, that if he is scum you can take him down once me and Aperture are dead.
This is VERY important. Work it out and think about it.
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this game is silly. Aperture, if you are in fact town, Stutters is not the correct target. I'm pretty sure he's town. Rethink.
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Oh Jesus. I'm retarded. I could have sworn it was today. Well that changes it quite a bit, my main suspicion was how opportunistic it felt. I'd still recommend making absolutely sure for yourself, but I'm not nearly as worried currently then.
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Well good thing we cleared that up.
Now gonzaw, what's your excuse for agreeing with stutters on this?
~dandel
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On February 05 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 07:03 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways I could probably just sheep you Clock, I don't want to think that much >_>
When I over-think I tend to fuck town's chances of winning (e.g last MTG game, maybe iGrok's mini, etc) <_<
I do have a feeling we will hilariously fail this game....again
/G
Marv feels more likely to be town than aperture, but this case actually has me kind of concerned about CH. They've really been milking their Xf case hard for cred all game despite multiple people saying the same things, just without quotes. This case also feels incredibly oportunistic. Why wait so late to post this case when we've been discussing a double kill all day. Additionally the discussion with me about door vs anthem. He tells me to make the play that does less for town when town is going to be dropping kp incredibly fast for no reason other than that the game should be over before DoD really gets rolling despite saying in the same post that we have enough kp tokill them both either way. That doesn't sit well with me. I think an AS Suck kill today might be our best bet and if its still going after to look into taking out clock. If he is scum and we hit 2-1 with all his chumps we'd be completely fucked.
On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well, I agree with that Stutters.
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/G
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On February 05 2013 09:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:On February 05 2013 07:03 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways I could probably just sheep you Clock, I don't want to think that much >_>
When I over-think I tend to fuck town's chances of winning (e.g last MTG game, maybe iGrok's mini, etc) <_<
I do have a feeling we will hilariously fail this game....again
/G
Marv feels more likely to be town than aperture, but this case actually has me kind of concerned about CH. They've really been milking their Xf case hard for cred all game despite multiple people saying the same things, just without quotes. This case also feels incredibly oportunistic. Why wait so late to post this case when we've been discussing a double kill all day. Additionally the discussion with me about door vs anthem. He tells me to make the play that does less for town when town is going to be dropping kp incredibly fast for no reason other than that the game should be over before DoD really gets rolling despite saying in the same post that we have enough kp tokill them both either way. That doesn't sit well with me. I think an AS Suck kill today might be our best bet and if its still going after to look into taking out clock. If he is scum and we hit 2-1 with all his chumps we'd be completely fucked. Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well, I agree with that Stutters.
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/G
noooooooo my first hyrda fail T_T
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On February 05 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I think an AS Suck kill today might be our best bet and if its still going after to look into taking out clock. If he is scum and we hit 2-1 with all his chumps we'd be completely fucked.
On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well, I agree with that Stutters.
/G
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On February 05 2013 09:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Okay.
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On February 05 2013 09:42 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Cool, no problem
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