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On February 01 2013 04:03 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Hey marv, if you see a "Scum Beast Attack" PM in the "Sent" out-box from your Suck account, let us know okay?
/G
I promise <3
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On February 01 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted. On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:
Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:
LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1. PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon. Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.
I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.
The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.
Verdict: scum
Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town): On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:FINAL Day 1 Votecount BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey Marvellosity (12)Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57 hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler tube(1) Vivax wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58 Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa- Day ends in 15 minutes. Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1: On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote: I am Detective
now fuck off all of you. Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro. Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING: On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied). Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum. Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol./Acro Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads. As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town. That's just fact. Your supporting evidence is simply that you haven't been caught. It's like a burglar being caught after committing 20 crimes without being caught and saying "well, because I wasn't caught the other 20 times, I cannot have been the burglar this time, because I wouldn't get caught". It ignores all other evidence that points to you being scum and simply assumes the conclusion. You commit an inductive fallacy. /Acro No, it's like saying there's 2 houses I like to break into as a burglar. For the first house, I keep having to run away from the police because I bungle it a bit. For the second house, I never have to run from the police because I plan the robbery so perfectly. The fact that I'm running away from the police in this situation isn't perfect evidence that I tried to burgle the first house, but it would indicate it. Boooooyaaaaaaa No, because the vast majority of the times you enter house 1 you don't have to run from the police either and you have conveniently discarded all of that from your sample.
But I've never had to run from the police in the 2nd house... ever......
again, it isn't perfect evidence, but it does point to one house over the other...
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I might play the rest of this game in burglar analogies.
So, like, there's this burglar called Nova_Terra, and he says he likes to burgle houses, which is nice. On the first night, he says he twisted his ankle, so he can't go out burgling tonight. All the other burglars kinda nod their heads. On the second night, he says he can't go out burgling, cos he has to go look after his mother. Everyone's like, ok that's cool. On the third night, he can't go out burgling because he has this hot date, so all the other burglers have to go out burgling without him.
On the fourth night, Nova goes out burgling after all. He comes back to the burglar hide-out, where everyone is sitting there with their jewellery and televisions, and provides a tuft of grass. Everyone's like cool! he went out burgling, and all those other reasons he didn't go out burgling before are totally legit. That tuft of grass is awesome.
Burgler Nova then says he's tried superhard not to think of Clockwork burgler as a good burgler, because he's never seen good evidence and has just heard stories around the block that he's a good burgler. No-one knows why Nova burgler doesn't wanna go check out CH's stash, that would prove or not whether CH is a good burgler. Nova burgler instead goes home to see his cat.
The End
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There's also this burgler called Acro, who everyone thinks is a pretty good burgler, but for some reason he keeps breaking into his own house.
Go figure!
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On February 01 2013 04:23 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I would make a fine burglar I take it
Stutters...yeah I guess? It is a literally answer to a question I asked, so I guess it did answer what I wanted. I'll process it later.
I'm kind of worried Nova hasn't shown up or participated in any discussion for a while.
/G
gonzaw, you're the best burgler. You stole the crown jewels!
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On February 01 2013 04:23 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 04:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted. On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:
Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:
LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1. PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon. Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.
I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.
The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.
Verdict: scum
Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town): On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:FINAL Day 1 Votecount BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey Marvellosity (12)Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57 hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler tube(1) Vivax wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58 Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa- Day ends in 15 minutes. Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1: On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote: I am Detective
now fuck off all of you. Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro. Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING: On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied). Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum. Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol./Acro Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads. As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town. That's just fact. Your supporting evidence is simply that you haven't been caught. It's like a burglar being caught after committing 20 crimes without being caught and saying "well, because I wasn't caught the other 20 times, I cannot have been the burglar this time, because I wouldn't get caught". It ignores all other evidence that points to you being scum and simply assumes the conclusion. You commit an inductive fallacy. /Acro No, it's like saying there's 2 houses I like to break into as a burglar. For the first house, I keep having to run away from the police because I bungle it a bit. For the second house, I never have to run from the police because I plan the robbery so perfectly. The fact that I'm running away from the police in this situation isn't perfect evidence that I tried to burgle the first house, but it would indicate it. Boooooyaaaaaaa No, because the vast majority of the times you enter house 1 you don't have to run from the police either and you have conveniently discarded all of that from your sample. But I've never had to run from the police in the 2nd house... ever...... again, it isn't perfect evidence, but it does point to one house over the other... No, it doesn't, because your fingerprints are all over the damn house. Now let me read Rock's filter.
Nuh uh. My fingerprints are all over ONE house, and you don't know which house yet. But... the fingerprints I leave have always been in the first house, never the second, because I always plan the 2nd robbery perfectly!
Yes!
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I'm seriously roflstomping this pretend burgler with his own analogy. Anyway I'm hungry as shit and I need to go home, so back a bit later.
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On February 01 2013 04:30 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: What about the cat in the 2nd house? Do you give him milk and cookies and stroke his back so he doesn't alert the owners of the house you've been in it? And what about the 1st house?
Answer me this marv, it's of utter importance
/G
Silly question, the 1st house doesn't have a cat. But yeah, I give the cat in the 2nd house milk and cookies.
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So Acro either has no idea how to play mafia or he is mafia himself. I'm going with the latter.
Fortunately gonzaw gets it.
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On February 01 2013 04:35 Clockwork Hydra wrote: You know what the whole discussion of houses and burglars managed to do? Completely derail the discussion and bury my thoughts on Marv and SnB, as well as give them an excuse to be busy without doing any scumhunting at all. So good job on scoring another scumpoint.
Here are my earlier thoughts: nothing has changed.
Because nuh uh, that's not what happened at all. It went to show you don't know what the fuck you're talking about (or you're mafia) and it provided the best case in the whole thread (Nova is a burgler, TM)
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On February 01 2013 05:12 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: marv, you do have to take into account some people don't really weigh in on certain things as others (even if those things are important).
Things like this happen all the time. Townie A thinks he's "surely town" for X reason that in his mind should be apparent. Townie B thinks that reason is bullshit, thinks A is scum, and thinks A is scum for justifying his towniness with that reason Townie A thinks B is scum because that reason X is "apparent" and thus A thinks B would instantly figure out A is town if B was town, therefore A FoSes B B thinks this is OMGUS because he thinks that reason is bullshit for thinking someone is scum, thus keeps FoSing A A thinks B is scum even more for keeping ignoring reason X and going against him "so easily" (calling it OMGUS, etc) without really thinking about it A and B go against each other and create a shitstorm in the thread that will never end until one of them is misslynched.
Happens like in 70% of mafia games.
/G
My OMGUS reads are usually right. In Rock Band my OMGUS on Palmar was right, in LVIII, I didn't think Palmar was mafia (the guy who made my wagon) but I correctly identified supersoft as mafia for attacking me.
Acro seems to be giving these arbitrary scumpoints for things that are only superficially scummy, and I think as town he really does know better. Or maybe I'm just giving him far too much credit, I do that too sometimes. Like he started with the analogies, and now he's giving me "scumpoints" for continuing with HIS analogy? Is he genuinely that bad?
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Aight. I'll sheep you if it's a good one.
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On February 01 2013 05:40 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Hey marv, is this "good enough" for you to sheep me?  /G
Yep. I particularly agree with the 'formulaic' nature of the Bin case, this had occurred to me as well. I'll prod s&b to do whatever we need to do, although I think he said we don't have anything to play right this minute.
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On February 01 2013 05:45 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I dunno about Xfire now. He could be just busy town.
He doesn't have time to cast anything, doesn't have time to even attack with his creatures. Well...I dunno.
If we kill Aperture and he flips scum, it'll give us more info, and we can catch the remaining scum.
Right now I'd say it's between Xfire/Rock maybe. If I'm very wrong it could be Bin/CH/Stutters though (and maybe that Bin thing is a bus?).
/G
You need to get over your Nova blindspot, jeez. Bin and Stutters are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less likely to be mafia than Nova, for sure.
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On February 01 2013 05:51 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:50 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On February 01 2013 05:47 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 05:45 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I dunno about Xfire now. He could be just busy town.
He doesn't have time to cast anything, doesn't have time to even attack with his creatures. Well...I dunno.
If we kill Aperture and he flips scum, it'll give us more info, and we can catch the remaining scum.
Right now I'd say it's between Xfire/Rock maybe. If I'm very wrong it could be Bin/CH/Stutters though (and maybe that Bin thing is a bus?).
/G You need to get over your Nova blindspot, jeez. Bin and Stutters are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less likely to be mafia than Nova, for sure. Derp lol I forgot about Nova lol Put it Xfire/Nova/Rock, followed by CH/Bin/Stutters. I am not really fond of Nova's attack of you (even if strong's case wasn't that good either). He hasn't been around for a while, which he was last game. I.e he was around on D1 with his "laid back" one liners, but in MTG 1 he kept the same behaviour all game long. Now he suddenly stopped doing anything this D2..? He could be scum. Hmm....it's a toss between him and Xfire to be honest. I don't really see Rock as scum, zbest saying he doesn't have any read is not something scum do. /G Did anyone actually look into how much effort went into Nova's case against SMTD?
yeah, writing 'fluff' after every post and taking every post in the scummiest way possible is exceptionally easy to do
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On February 01 2013 05:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote: The giant image is Dandel's fault. He promised it would resize >@
yeah, you should sheep gonzaw, his case was way better than you guys.
sorry bros
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On February 01 2013 05:56 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 05:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote: The giant image is Dandel's fault. He promised it would resize >@ yeah, you should sheep gonzaw, his case was way better than you guys. sorry bros Have you looked at Xfire's meta? His town and scum play are worlds apart. This is his scum play.
I've read both your cases, and gonzaw's was way better. Just sayin' like. You'll probably ignore me because I have a mansionfull of scumpoints, but gonzaw got dis
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This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness:
gonz/Prome - blates town me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town Binonfire - Minds Aglow totes pro-town, Oats being silly with it also probably town Hopeless/zebeszt - probably townish too, posts don't show any fear (lol) Stutters - let's call this dude town for now, seems kinda interested Acro/dand - have hardons for calling me mafia, but maybe they just like that sort of thing. Decent case on Crossfire, although if I was lynching for meta, I'd be lynching s&b. Crossfire seems a good deal more interested than he was in... Mario Mafia as scum. Crossfire - see above, could still be mafia Nova - scummy, see awesome burgler case Aperture - kill it with fire! see also awesome gonzaw case. The more I think about it the less I like how iGrok declared Bin scummy because Oats was disagreeing with MG on Minds Aglow. Seems really superficial.
Ta-da!
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On February 01 2013 06:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 06:25 Nova_Terra wrote: Im here till main phase, if anyone needs me to answer something, shoot How bout you comment on the 2 cases that are currently dominating the game?
I presume you are referring to the Aperture case and the Nova burgler case, yes?
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On February 01 2013 06:49 Clockwork Hydra wrote: So, we an interesting option right now:
We could discard 2 additional cards and create another zombie now, to attack with next turn, giving us 2 more KP to use on turn 2.
HOWEVER
This means we give up basically any hope of any future power at all, as well as the potential for 8 additional damage we might be able to do that acro hinted at
Discuss
is 2KP worth gimping yourself over?
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