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SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 30 2013 22:23 GMT
#815
I don't think I've ever read anything that less demonstrates how someone is mafia. For that, I congratulate you.

-marvelbabe
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 30 2013 22:33 GMT
#820
On January 31 2013 07:31 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 07:23 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
I don't think I've ever read anything that less demonstrates how someone is mafia. For that, I congratulate you.

-marvelbabe

Howbout this: nonsense is displayed, reacts extremely defensively in slight circumstances, leads the town in circles back to policy, adds little to nothing to town scumhunting.


not alignment indicative, not alignment indicative, untrue, our position on many players is a great deal clearer than yours

glad we sorted that so fast

-marvelbabe
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 30 2013 23:27 GMT
#840
hmm, apparently my deck was balance changed but i was not informed.

-snb
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 13:03 GMT
#906
On January 31 2013 15:47 Nova_Terra wrote:
Well i was trying to stay relatively null on CH but im having a hard time finding a scum motivation on any part of his last analysis, and its quite similar to the thoughts i was having but was unable to put them down well.
BinonFire makes good points about rockhydra, who would be my 2nd priority for a hydra scum.


Seriously, what townie 'tries' to stay null on someone? Jesus.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:07 GMT
#910
On January 31 2013 22:49 Acrofales wrote:
Xfire and Nova: still waiting for answers.

Suck: do something useful instead of repeating what has already been said.


It doesn't matter if it's already been said, it bears repeating. Pretty sure I've already done something very useful by finding us a mafia.

And why you think telling me to go do something useful is going to be productive with someone of my personality type is completely baffling.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:15 GMT
#912
On January 31 2013 23:09 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:

marv, you recently (in the past week or two) have talked to me about meta/mentality reads on both hopeless and zebzet, I'm interested to hear you thoughts on the two of them this game and I don't understand your inability to produce this read.

p


On hopeless? Actually I just went through their filter (don't let Acro think he made me) and zebezt isn't screaming town to me like he was in his newbie game. This game is a whole kettle of fish, though.

Have you actually given your read on what you think of Hopeless?
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:23 GMT
#919
On January 31 2013 23:20 RockHydra wrote:
My hydra-tip: use two browsers

/zebezt


My hydra-tip: Use your brain and look at what account you're posting under. I have 3 separate logins for 3 games (one co-host) and I've not failed yet :/
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:25 GMT
#921
On January 31 2013 23:24 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 23:19 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Gon has given my read, I'm finding him on the townie side of things, he has that comfortable feeling I get from a town hopeless. Have you ever seen a scum say 'I dunno, no one seems scummy to me' or 'I am lurky' those just feel like things a town hopeless.

p

H1 knows he has a lurker meta and has used this as a defense before (Acme Mini Mafia) when scum. Pretty bad of you to take that as a town tell from him. Other than that, I still have to filter him properly, so no comment.

/Acro


That's not what Prome said at all. Read again.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:28 GMT
#923
On January 31 2013 23:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
"I am lurky" feels like a town hopeless


Response:
Show nested quote +
H1 knows he has a lurker meta and has used this as a defense before (Acme Mini Mafia) when scum.

I can, and do, read.


Then you fail at understanding the point he was putting across. Prome was saying Hopeless was comfortable, casual, loose with it, rather than uptight and using it defensively.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:35 GMT
#927
On January 31 2013 23:34 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Since you understand this marv I was hoping you would say it, why have you opted out of giving hope a town read on his meta?

p


Because I wasn't particularly confident in it, but I understand what you're saying. Two different things my friend.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 14:40 GMT
#930
So anyway, do we buy that Crossfire didn't put his mana towards Minds Aglow because he's suspicious of CH and his zombies?

Does the lack of mana from Crossfire hurt town in any significant way?
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 17:48 GMT
#942
Acro, you're being weird :/

On January 31 2013 23:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Also, we are about 70% sure about who we're attacking, but waiting for some critical pieces of information. I also haven't properly filtered Rock and AS yet. They were low priority due to earlier meta-based reads on H1 and iGrok's single big analysis, but continued lack of involvement is casting doubt on both of these reads.


On January 31 2013 23:35 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 23:28 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 31 2013 23:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
"I am lurky" feels like a town hopeless


Response:
H1 knows he has a lurker meta and has used this as a defense before (Acme Mini Mafia) when scum.

I can, and do, read.


Then you fail at understanding the point he was putting across. Prome was saying Hopeless was comfortable, casual, loose with it, rather than uptight and using it defensively.

I wouldn't fail, if Prom would actually say what he means, rather than making us guess about whether he means the content or the form of stuff he quotes. Anyway, I've decided that before filtering Rock and AS, I should take a better look at you. I went with an early gut read and left you in the town corner, but have not ever taken a stab at actually looking at your filter.

Flooding the thread will not stop me from filtering you. I've played with Xatalos!

/Acro


On February 01 2013 02:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
K. Pretty much done with Poster's filter for now. Didn't find anything new. There is a gigantic amount of fluff, but hidden between the trash posts there seems to be a fair amount of scumhunting, though not nearly as much as he claims to be doing. Particularly this was funny, because he had done 0 scumhunting himself at this point. However, he seems to be actively contributing and trying to figure things out for town. Confirmed that he's not on the kill list for today.

Also some outstanding questions:
1. You may indeed play instants during the attack phase (see OP).
2. Given the choice between a 2/0 and a 0/6 creature, I would always play the 0/6, because the 2/0 goes straight to the graveyard

/Acro
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 17:55 GMT
#944
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.


Why did you filter someone pretty likely to be town ahead of all the potentially scummy candidates you mentioned previously?

And once again, I'm fairly sure I've found a mafia, so my contributions are probably better than yours, so go screw yourself, kindly.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#949
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:36 GMT
#956
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:41 GMT
#957
Also, Acro, the fact you're trying to equate last Magic, where I didn't play the game at all, to this one, where I clearly am, is also scummy as shit.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:47 GMT
#960
On February 01 2013 03:45 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.

No that's a fucking excuse to do nothing and say "olololol I do something as scum so I have to be town!!!!" which is some of the worst reasoning I've seen in my life.

~dandel


No, it's pointing out that in the 30 games I've played there is an observable pattern. If you don't like it, tough titties.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:51 GMT
#961
On February 01 2013 03:46 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well marv, this certainly doesn't "feel" like you playing scum, you seem too content to just be. You don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda or creating confusion, or just trying to appear as a pro-town moffo to mislead town.

Sadly your counterpart doesn't really feel like it :D
(he was the one making the "shitty case" against Nova in the first place)

Did you check if you 2 have the same alignment? Maybe this is Hydra-Ception and 1 hydra head is one alignment and the other hydra head is another alignment!
.....maybe Prome........but... :O :O :O :O

/G


Actually, I never actually looked at our role PM, s&b just PMed it me along with the hydra login shortly after the start.

So :OOOOOO indeed! *goes to check*
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:55 GMT
#963
On February 01 2013 03:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.


Your supporting evidence is simply that you haven't been caught. It's like a burglar being caught after committing 20 crimes without being caught and saying "well, because I wasn't caught the other 20 times, I cannot have been the burglar this time, because I wouldn't get caught".

It ignores all other evidence that points to you being scum and simply assumes the conclusion. You commit an inductive fallacy.

/Acro


No, it's like saying there's 2 houses I like to break into as a burglar. For the first house, I keep having to run away from the police because I bungle it a bit. For the second house, I never have to run from the police because I plan the robbery so perfectly.

The fact that I'm running away from the police in this situation isn't perfect evidence that I tried to burgle the first house, but it would indicate it.

Boooooyaaaaaaa
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 19:00 GMT
#966
On February 01 2013 03:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
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On February 01 2013 03:51 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:46 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well marv, this certainly doesn't "feel" like you playing scum, you seem too content to just be. You don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda or creating confusion, or just trying to appear as a pro-town moffo to mislead town.

Sadly your counterpart doesn't really feel like it :D
(he was the one making the "shitty case" against Nova in the first place)

Did you check if you 2 have the same alignment? Maybe this is Hydra-Ception and 1 hydra head is one alignment and the other hydra head is another alignment!
.....maybe Prome........but... :O :O :O :O

/G


Actually, I never actually looked at our role PM, s&b just PMed it me along with the hydra login shortly after the start.

So :OOOOOO indeed! *goes to check*



......wow

If he lied to you I'll laugh my fucking ass off.
Although that'd be a pretty fucking sweet strategy by a scum S&B lol
He can even access the scum QT behind your back, but use you to convince people Suck is town (since you marv would technically be town)

BIG PLAYS!

/G


You know what's especially hilarious? I did just check the inbox, and because s&b signed up the hydra later, the role PM went to his personal inbox. So I'm literally taking his word for it that we're town :D
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
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