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Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 17:41 GMT
#941
K. Pretty much done with Poster's filter for now. Didn't find anything new. There is a gigantic amount of fluff, but hidden between the trash posts there seems to be a fair amount of scumhunting, though not nearly as much as he claims to be doing. Particularly this was funny, because he had done 0 scumhunting himself at this point. However, he seems to be actively contributing and trying to figure things out for town. Confirmed that he's not on the kill list for today.

Also some outstanding questions:
1. You may indeed play instants during the attack phase (see OP).
2. Given the choice between a 2/0 and a 0/6 creature, I would always play the 0/6, because the 2/0 goes straight to the graveyard

/Acro
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 17:48 GMT
#942
Acro, you're being weird :/

On January 31 2013 23:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Also, we are about 70% sure about who we're attacking, but waiting for some critical pieces of information. I also haven't properly filtered Rock and AS yet. They were low priority due to earlier meta-based reads on H1 and iGrok's single big analysis, but continued lack of involvement is casting doubt on both of these reads.


On January 31 2013 23:35 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 23:28 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 31 2013 23:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
"I am lurky" feels like a town hopeless


Response:
H1 knows he has a lurker meta and has used this as a defense before (Acme Mini Mafia) when scum.

I can, and do, read.


Then you fail at understanding the point he was putting across. Prome was saying Hopeless was comfortable, casual, loose with it, rather than uptight and using it defensively.

I wouldn't fail, if Prom would actually say what he means, rather than making us guess about whether he means the content or the form of stuff he quotes. Anyway, I've decided that before filtering Rock and AS, I should take a better look at you. I went with an early gut read and left you in the town corner, but have not ever taken a stab at actually looking at your filter.

Flooding the thread will not stop me from filtering you. I've played with Xatalos!

/Acro


On February 01 2013 02:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
K. Pretty much done with Poster's filter for now. Didn't find anything new. There is a gigantic amount of fluff, but hidden between the trash posts there seems to be a fair amount of scumhunting, though not nearly as much as he claims to be doing. Particularly this was funny, because he had done 0 scumhunting himself at this point. However, he seems to be actively contributing and trying to figure things out for town. Confirmed that he's not on the kill list for today.

Also some outstanding questions:
1. You may indeed play instants during the attack phase (see OP).
2. Given the choice between a 2/0 and a 0/6 creature, I would always play the 0/6, because the 2/0 goes straight to the graveyard

/Acro
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 17:52 GMT
#943
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 17:55 GMT
#944
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.


Why did you filter someone pretty likely to be town ahead of all the potentially scummy candidates you mentioned previously?

And once again, I'm fairly sure I've found a mafia, so my contributions are probably better than yours, so go screw yourself, kindly.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 31 2013 17:56 GMT
#945
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.

wait what? which filter have I been looking at, stutters hasn't done shit to me
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 17:57 GMT
#946
On January 31 2013 12:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote:
When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you?

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd

iGrok!

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 11:24 BinOnFire wrote:
CH is scum.
Also hopeless wtf man,
why you so lurky?

Are you genuinely upset that I'm lurky? Like...if someone had to pick 1 word to describe me, that's probably the one.

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 11:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I think I might be the only person in the whole game left out of this "CH is scum" fan group that has formed..

/G

Nah, I'm right there with you.

So...I've reread and haven't come up with much that I can report on right now, nothing strikes me as scummy enough to pursue at this point. I'm headed to bed. See you all tomorrow.

~Hopeless

On February 01 2013 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.

wait what? which filter have I been looking at, stutters hasn't done shit to me

I swear, I'm getting the hang of this hydra thing.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 18:02 GMT
#947
On January 29 2013 09:04 RockHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you

Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer

If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?

If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.

If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you

If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.


I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.

For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now

Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)

My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong.
~Hopeless

I'm headed out to dinner.


Here you say they further your goals, which is presumably to play ninjas. However, the first thing you actually DO with them is:
On January 31 2013 08:28 RockHydra wrote:
<snip>
I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).

~Hopeless

AKA keep them as a blocker.

Why the inconsistency in play? I'm starting to agree with SnB here. If a creature can attack, it should be.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 18:05 GMT
#948
On February 01 2013 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.

wait what? which filter have I been looking at, stutters hasn't done shit to me

Stutters, imho, is one of the towniest players in the game. That is, imho a lot more valuable than SnB's half-arsed read of Nova based on almost exclusively bad tells.

/Acro
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#949
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#950
Kay I'm back

After something Stutters said, I checked Xfire's Whose Line's game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&user=159969

Damn, he is playing NOTHING like that game :/

You "could" attribute it to him being comfortable in Whose Line's setup/game, but not in this one, but he scumhunts right off the bat there, posts casually, etc.
I take it he didn't change jobs or anything in between these games? If so his "I'm at work" excuse wouldn't matter at all

I'd really like to know why Xfire can only come in the thread in like little bursts 24 hours apart
Is his life that busy? Even to post little comments in the thread, or at least say "I'm here guys" even if he doesn't have time to read filters and the like?

The possibility I can think of is, yes, maybe he works, but when he comes home he checks his scum QT, and lurks a little bit before posting or reading the thread. I've done that at times as scum before (when saying stuff like "I was at uni!" and the like).


/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 18:10 GMT
#951
On February 01 2013 03:02 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 09:04 RockHydra wrote:
On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you

Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer

If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?

If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.

If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you

If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.


I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.

For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now

Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)

My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong.
~Hopeless

I'm headed out to dinner.


Here you say they further your goals, which is presumably to play ninjas. However, the first thing you actually DO with them is:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 08:28 RockHydra wrote:
<snip>
I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).

~Hopeless

AKA keep them as a blocker.

Why the inconsistency in play? I'm starting to agree with SnB here. If a creature can attack, it should be.

/Acro

I have no mana with which to ninjutsu anything into play. Attacking with two 0/3 creatures for shits and giggles isn't my style unfortunately
~Hopeless
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 18:18 GMT
#952
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 31 2013 18:21 GMT
#953
Great the QT doesn't work again :/

Stutters, a question for you:
Why did you wait until this Attack Phase basically to start scumhunting?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&currentpage=28#550
In this post you basically called a bunch of people town (except Xfire), and said you'd be "looking at the hydras"
Yet every single post from you from then is talking about one of these things:
-Worried that people aren't pressuring you (for some reason...?)
-Talking about Minds Aglow
-Asking me some random stuff about marv

Only when this Attack Phase started you said you were suspicious of Xfire
Then you spend a century to flesh out your suspicion on Rock basically

Why did you promise you'd be "looking at hydras" so early, yet did absolutely nothing about it until like 24 hours later?

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 18:28 GMT
#954
From Xfires WLIIA filter:+ Show Spoiler +

On November 08 2012 03:37 Crossfire99 wrote:
Moist (but he's not really a superhero, more like a member of the Henchmen Union)

I'm not going to answer your question about when I asked iGrok because I don't know if that's allowed. I pm'd him and will see what he says.

Just a note, but if we lynched a scum day 2 and there were only 2 scum left night 2, scum would have only had 1 shot because mafia kp is # of mafia/2 rounded up. So 2/2 = 1 which still rounds up to 1.

Lol I might have misunderstood how MtG actions resolve because I don't play MtG and iGrok told me they resolve like MtG. I believe my point still stands, though, because he listed my actions in the middle of his list and not at the beginning or the end.

World's worst movie star?

A breadcrumb for the ages


Anyways, I think his rage is completely over the top, but his reads match up with his actions around putting mana into minds aglow, as well as his indignant response to gonzaw when called out for it. He doesn't have to stop and think about why he's upset, he knows immediately that he didnt want to give CH zombies. I dislike that he didn't talk about anything, but then again, why would scum intentionally shroud their actions? I don't think they would. I don't want to attack crossfire, he doesn't make sense as scum to me. Here's another example:
On January 30 2013 14:47 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 04:33 RockHydra wrote:
-snipped-
Regarding Xfire, and what I asked Acro to expand upon
-> If you haven't seen cross' mafia play from Mario mini, consult with Dandel (he co-hosted). I believe I can "feel" his enthusiasm towards this game and based on what I've seen of his scum play, my gut-read is town on him from his opening post alone. Obviously this is a meta read, but his filter is too short to make anything more than that out of it.
-snipped-


I'm going to quote what I send in Parallel World Mafia because the same thing applies here.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 11:28 Crossfire99 wrote:
On December 13 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by Mario, crossfire is not scum, or at least not showing it thus far.

Oh, how nice of you. Thank you for the vote of confidence. To be completely honest though, most of what happened in Mario was due to two things. 1) That thread was way way way too active for my taste. I absolutely hated it, and would have hated it even if I was town. 2) Real life screwed me over hard during that game. I was away for the first half of day 1 and didn't think it was going to be an issue at all, but was an issue because of the activity level. Additionally, my internet really did crap out on me and make me unable to use the 3 hours I had to planned to devote to that game. I had no idea what to do after that, so i did my random stuff with 1 hr to go before the most hilarious, crazy, and random lynch I have ever been a part of.

Anyway that turned out to be way longer than I thought it would be. Whatever. lol


I had a double-take upon reading this post. I say I have a townread on cross, and he posts something that basically says my reasoning is irrelevant. I don't see why scum would bother telling me to question myself when I had a townread.

RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 18:29 GMT
#955
ebwop: ~Hopeless
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:36 GMT
#956
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:41 GMT
#957
Also, Acro, the fact you're trying to equate last Magic, where I didn't play the game at all, to this one, where I clearly am, is also scummy as shit.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
January 31 2013 18:45 GMT
#958
On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.

No that's a fucking excuse to do nothing and say "olololol I do something as scum so I have to be town!!!!" which is some of the worst reasoning I've seen in my life.

~dandel
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 31 2013 18:46 GMT
#959
Well marv, this certainly doesn't "feel" like you playing scum, you seem too content to just be. You don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda or creating confusion, or just trying to appear as a pro-town moffo to mislead town.

Sadly your counterpart doesn't really feel like it :D
(he was the one making the "shitty case" against Nova in the first place)

Did you check if you 2 have the same alignment? Maybe this is Hydra-Ception and 1 hydra head is one alignment and the other hydra head is another alignment!
.....maybe Prome........but... :O :O :O :O

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
SuckMyTopdeck
Profile Joined January 2013
Guernsey314 Posts
January 31 2013 18:47 GMT
#960
On February 01 2013 03:45 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted.

On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:

Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:

LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.

I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.

The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.

Verdict: scum



Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town):

On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:
FINAL Day 1 Votecount



BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57

hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo



Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler

tube(1)
Vivax

wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58

Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-


Day ends in 15 minutes.


Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1:

On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective

now fuck off all of you.


Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro.


Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING:
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.



You best be providing some good evidence for this one.

Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.

-marvelbabe

I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied).

Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum.

Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol.

/Acro


Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads.

As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town.

That's just fact.

No that's a fucking excuse to do nothing and say "olololol I do something as scum so I have to be town!!!!" which is some of the worst reasoning I've seen in my life.

~dandel


No, it's pointing out that in the 30 games I've played there is an observable pattern. If you don't like it, tough titties.
colored artifacts and emblem effects are retarded and i refuse to acknowledge them
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