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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 30 2013 22:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: No, we don't even have a QT yet ^^ He was so kind to provide me with the deck we are playing, though. qts are for losers get on irc or skype | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe lol yeah if we were scum theres no way marv would be letting me play like this | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
On January 31 2013 03:58 Acrofales wrote: Alternative scenario is that scum proposed a plan which they thought would give lots of people lots of cards, which they figured they could deal with. Then they saw it would give one person lots of zombies instead. Panic into derp. Not saying this is what happened, but making up cute QT conversations is not very useful. Most likely is that there was no QT convo between MG and Oats on this. Here's how it goes from town: MG: K, I got a plan to win this as town. We play blablabla. Oats: ok, well, I'm not entirely sold on the idea because A, B, C. MG: counterarguments. Oats: well, I'm posting A, B and C in the thread anyway. This convo seems equally unlikely, so they probably never had any convos about it and any cutesy QT convos you invent are a figment of your imagination, no more, no less. However, I agree that the whole play was probably just not thought out at all, moving it back down to not indicative of alignment. I will reread Bin and see what I think. /Acro This is a really good point that I hadn't thought of. | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 31 2013 03:09 BinOnFire wrote: What do you mean, I've been posting whenever I've had the chance :O The filter comparison between SNB's MTGI and MTGII is pretty stark. This post in particular strikes me as very suspicious: As an SNB post, this feels very off to me. Not calling Minds Aglow by name, despite having specifically freaked out about it and Collective Voyage earlier, lol you serious? why would i waste my time calling things by name? i have better things to do with my time than type out "minds aglow", im already sneaking time off of work to post and then providing the vaguest excuse for a town-read ever, jars strongly with what I've read from him elsewhere. It's just so detached and apathetic, very different from town SNB in MTGI, but very close to how I would have predicted a mafia player to react to the Join Forces mechanic. yeah whatever. try comparing this game to my most recent mafia games, rather than to a game from over six months ago. If anything, he should be ecstatic by the plan, not alarmed, because putting everyone in the position of having huge creatures to attack with sooner makes his policy recommendation much more relevant. Instead of returning to consider the ramifications of that, he sinks further into inactivity. This sounds like a deliberate obfuscation of the plan, which he seemed to perfectly understand a few posts ago. An attempt to cast doubt on CH, sowing seeds for him to return to later? This lets him pick a fight and feign productivity while discrediting a player I expect to be a powerful town asset. His theatrics in casting Oats and I as scum also seems forced and tacky. this is also dumb. its not obfuscation, my consistent and legitimate objection is to acro having a bunch of zombies and probably being retarded and using them to kill me. not to people drawing cards. as i've said, i don't dislike the plan, i dislike the fact that it disproportionately gives acro the ability to be a loose cannon. And his last few posts are all apologies for his MTG ignorance, when that's both easily corrected, and irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't been contributing. [green]this is also dumb, thats from marv. yeah okay i get it i havent been all that active idgaf and you are being stupid | ||
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BinOnFire
Laos123 Posts
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:17 BinOnFire wrote: Proactively casting spells that give the town cards at a 7:2 ratio is one of the dumbest things that a mafia player in this setup could do. It's almost as bad as the "shoot-your-scumbuddy-for-town-cred" line people totes do that tho just sayin' although, i dont think many people in here woudl. marv sure, maybe grey/grok. | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Posts correctly signed count, for gonzaw's pleasure: Clockwork: 41 unsigned 56 signed DFTP: 63 unsigned 66 signed ebwops with names and missposts on main accounts are condensed as "signed". Observe the difference in ratio. As you can clearly see in my exhibit, gonzaw is a narcissistic person that likes to delude himself into thinking he's on a greater realm than other people. When in reality, he is inhabitating a glass house. Thank you for your attention. ~Dandel Ion - CEO of Quality Posts By Quality Posters Inc. | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:27 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Marv, baby, talk to me about how you read hopeless right now. I need some help. P I had thought you prided yourself on being able to read hopeless relatively well? ~dandel | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:22 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yo S&B, what do you think of Xfire? Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it. his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all. however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol". everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed. i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway. overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway. | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
On January 31 2013 03:14 BinOnFire wrote: My other high-priority read is RockHydra, mostly due to this empty promise of his: So what does he actually post? Lazy sheeping, baaa. Actual contributions? Neigh! Don't be an idiot. If I post in my morning that I'm going to post in the evening, you should wait till it's actually evening before complaining about empty promises. I'm now gonna do some reading n posting. /zebezt | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
I said shouldn't give dubious people too much power, but we're not dubious. We're blatantly town. ~dandel | ||
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BinOnFire
Laos123 Posts
Here's the thing: as soon as Collective Voyage resolves, town immediately becomes much more favored to win the game. The original plan was to draw enough cards off of Minds Aglow to make drawing Collective Voyage extremely likely. Then, if I cast it, town gets a huge advantage and goes on to win the game, most of the time. Had I rolled scum, I would never, ever cast it, for any reason. So now we're in the position where, after I see what cards I draw, here's what you guys see on T2: A) MG casts Collective Voyage - great, regardless of MG's alignment, town just became much more favored to win the game. B) MG doesn't cast Collective Voyage - hmm, either MG is town and simply didn't draw Collective Voyage; or MG is a scum player that would allow the town to draw 7:2 cards in an elaborate ploy that may or may not gain credibility, the actions of his other hydra-head notwithstanding. This is another reason why I wanted to draw more cards off of Minds Aglow - it gives you all a much stronger test for my alignment: If I drew enough cards that there's <5% of me not drawing Collective Voyage, but then I claim to not have drawn a copy of it, then you're left free to entertain whatever alternative hypotheses you want. That's perfectly fair and reasonable. Quantitatively, had we all drawn 16 cards, there'd have been a 91% chance for me to draw at least one Collective Voyage. However, currently, Minds Aglow is only at X=6, so I only have a 67% chance to draw at least one Collective Voyage. I know I'm town, so if I haven't drawn it by T2 of course I'm going to be saying that I didn't draw it. I'm sure you all can see how that could get really awkward, really fast. If I were mafia, could you honestly see me playing this suicidally? It just wouldn't make any sense at all. Cheers, MG | ||
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
On January 31 2013 03:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: So who do you think is that scum hydra? If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him. Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that. /G I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious. I don't think anyone specifically said there must be a scum hydra. It seems like you are trying to push the discussion in a certain direction without a good reason. Is it likely that there is a scum hydra? Yes, because there are so many hydra's. Is it unlikely there is no scum hydra? Not very unlikely. (12%) It is as likely a lone player is scum, as that a hydra is scum, so why look at hydra's only? /zebezt | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
Guernsey314 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:22 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yo S&B, what do you think of Xfire? Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G re clockworkhydra he's also reeeeally rolling hard with his gut read of me and marv being scum because i dont like him and dont want him to have zombies. and some of his other reasons why marv is being scummy are pretty dumb too. dont like it. still that could just be me having a gut reaction to his gut reaction. not gonna pretend im perfect or anythign. | ||
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
They seem town enough to me. MG makes a good point about the cards that they play. They are helpful to town. Of course we have to see how that pans out next turn, but right now we don't have much in the way of damage to throw around anyway. The main source of confusion seems to be oats, who is playing very weirdly. I think this is just down to bad play. Played with him in newbie game and he did not make a very strong impression on me there. My thoughts on CW: Seems happy to have people play a card that will help him a lot, although he was wary of cards that help a certain person too much. Makes total sense to me. Anyone will be happy if a card is played that helps them, wether they are scum or town. I am wary of giving too much power to CW, but I would love it if a card would turn out great for me. /zebezt | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18173 Posts
It confirmed to me that Oats is all over the map. The scum explanation is as above: he throws oil on pointless conversations, hoping their ignition derails town. The town explanation is that he's a newbie who has no real clue what he is doing. Honestly, the former explanation requires Oats to be quite a lot more devious than I have seen from him in previous games. In CT he was also bullshitting his way around and making stupid posts. I have not yet read that newbie game where he was scum and got lynched D1, which insofar as I know is his only scum game. MG brings up some good points about SnB (not playing to his town meta) and Marv (pointless theatrics, overdoing his town read on Bin), which I find myself agreeing with. Also, his MTG play seems town motivated, although I don't buy that he'd play the deck any differently as scum. He needs his lands out to do anything, and giving town lots of creatures is fine as long as you can avoid them attacking you (by looking like a super pro-town plan maker). I would like to see more in the line of his posts at SnB and less in the line of explaining how pro-town his plan is. If his strong card requires him to have 22 mana, he'd need to get that land out asap anyway. This makes me null, with a slight lean towards town. Now back to SnB/Marv. /Acro | ||
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