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Aperture Science

United States151 Posts

February 06 2013 16:04 GMT

#2201

On February 07 2013 01:01 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:

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given we're both deaded this turn, tell me straight. you mafia broski?

Nope.

##"Accidentally" drop all cards in my hand to the table, revealing them
iGrok reveals:
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Scalding Tarn
Brightstone Ritual

4 lands and brightstone. I forgot GreY played a land this turn.

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:07 GMT

#2202

ok, so let's take it as a given we're both town for a second.

Talk to me about Stutters. A bunch of us gave differing levels of townreads on Stutters that contradict your case. Do they not hold water? What is it about your case that trumps the feelings that other people have?

Aperture Science

United States151 Posts

February 06 2013 16:23 GMT

#2203

He contradicts himself multiple times, and (to me at least) it seems like he's always trying to be on whatever bandwagon is rolling (but never on it TOO hard).

I read a lot of people say stutters was a town read, but I didn't really think there were convincing arguments for that. I still think he is on the FBI's Most Wanted list

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:27 GMT

#2204

And you're fairly sure Rock is town, right? Hasn't he gone with the flow in a very similar way to Stutters?

This all kinda matters because if we both flip town and CH/DFTP are taking Stutters to be sure town when he isn't, then that really will be throwing away a won game.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

February 06 2013 16:28 GMT

#2205

On February 07 2013 01:01 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:

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On February 07 2013 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:

On February 07 2013 00:15 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Stutters - stick around for a moment. How did you go from

On February 05 2013 08:34 Stutters695 wrote:

On February 05 2013 08:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
We aren't town because we made a case on Xfire. We know he was acting super scummy and several people realized it.

However, if you were to click on our filter and read a few of our posts, you would realize how much nonsense your allegation is. Also, we're not "milking the xfire case". We are trying to kill scum.

PS. If you think "milking the xfire case" is scummy, we present scum Marv:

On February 01 2013 09:32 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:

On February 01 2013 09:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways, we can go hunting for the remaining scum

Who here thinks Aperture isn't the remaining scum?

Also, who thinks that CH/me/Rock/Bin could possibly be scum in any way possible (regarding what's happening with Xfire and previous interactions)? Please raise your hand.

/G

Well Nova looks much better now, I'm happy to get off my Burgler tunnel, even if it was the best thing ever. CH obviously looks much better compared to my previous list because of the Crossfire stuff. This obviously leaves a really large line where CH has moved up a lot as well as Nova, and Crossfire moved down.

The first thing I did in this game was agree that Crossfire was scummy and attack Aperture. I'm totes an MTG master.

And he never even made a case on Xfire, just non-committally "agreed" to it. Taking credit for a scum lynch when you didn't do jack shit for it? Hell yeah, sign scum Marv up (this scumtell was brought to you by Dandel Ion, the best Ion).

/Acro

I'm 100% for an AS Marv flip. unless people present valid reasons why that shouldn't be the case I'm going to play the rest of the turn as they're town. If that's wrong, we win no harm done, but if they are town we shouldn't stifle discussion.

On February 05 2013 10:50 Stutters695 wrote:
Would love to hear what AS and Suck think we should do both if they're getting killed and what they would do if they're left alive. Also would love to hear from Nova, it feels kind of wrong to not lynch him with his play, but the case against Marv is pretty compelling (especially in contrast to LIX) and I would expect more out of both AS heads than out of Nova in addition to Nova being much less of a threat magic wise it seems.

On February 06 2013 11:51 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here. There just hasnt been a lot to say since most of it is just bitching and omgus. I still think nova and AS are more likely scum than marv but I don't have a lot of say in it today.

I think the case against you is compelling but I can't shake this suspicion that CH is trying to lynch you before developing into an unkillable position. It's irrational and more than likely wrong (still paranoid after losing YANMM lylo). Your flip makes logical sense for two reasons though: 1) Your scum play is highly touted and I've never seen it so I could be completely wrong about my feel and 2) your deck is much more threatening than Novas. Dropping you first makes more sense if the others are convinced.

This just feels too easy, but we'll see in a few hours.

but the last quote said you think Nova and AS were more likely to be scum. Is that true or not? If it is true, why do you now think that compared to before?

This is going to.sound weird but I think Nova has always been a better flip compared to you (Marv specifically) in terms of being scum. However my lack of knowledge of your meta/reading you, snb's complete lack of interest, and the much bigger threat you pose via your deck if you are scum and I've read you wrong means your flip is much safer because Nova is much easier to deal with next turn than yourself.

Aperture Science

United States151 Posts

February 06 2013 16:30 GMT

#2206

On February 07 2013 01:27 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
And you're fairly sure Rock is town, right? Hasn't he gone with the flow in a very similar way to Stutters?

This all kinda matters because if we both flip town and CH/DFTP are taking Stutters to be sure town when he isn't, then that really will be throwing away a won game.

Rock felt extremely town for the first half of the game. I cannot imagine him being scum.

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:34 GMT

#2207

alright thx. i'll have a dig around later.

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:35 GMT

#2208

P.S. if you're mafia and making me waste an hour or two tonight when I don't need to, I'm gonna be hella pissed

(DontFear)ThePoster

Guernsey584 Posts

February 06 2013 16:37 GMT

#2209

So you two, what about Nova?

/G

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:38 GMT

#2210

i'm gonna try to look at everyone at least somewhat properly later gonz. at work right now.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

February 06 2013 16:40 GMT

#2211

On February 07 2013 01:23 Aperture Science wrote:
He contradicts himself multiple times, and (to me at least) it seems like he's always trying to be on whatever bandwagon is rolling (but never on it TOO hard).

I read a lot of people say stutters was a town read, but I didn't really think there were convincing arguments for that. I still think he is on the FBI's Most Wanted list

Sorry to disappoint, but I change my mind a lot unless I'm sure. Sure it means I push some stuff that will inevitably be wrong but in exchange for that we see how people react. I always explain why I think what I do as transparently as possible. This is easily the most town game I've played, I'd encourage you to check my previous games if you think otherwise.

RockHydra

Pitcairn222 Posts

February 06 2013 16:44 GMT

#2212

Bleh overtime again tonight.
Anyway, I think stutters will hardly be unkillable tomorrow. Problem is that he is going to live yet another day after it, and I'm not so sure if he will be killable then.

I thank you AS for your vote of confidence.

Will post more when I get back from work.

*general happy thoughts for everyone*
(imagine that in rainbow colored letters, I have no idea how to do colors, let alone have the time to actually do it)

/zebezt

Aperture Science

United States151 Posts

February 06 2013 16:46 GMT

#2213

On February 07 2013 01:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
So you two, what about Nova?

/G

Nova is the kinda guy that everyone has found scummy but just keeps slipping down the priority list.

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:51 GMT

#2214

On February 07 2013 01:44 RockHydra wrote:
Bleh overtime again tonight.
Anyway, I think stutters will hardly be unkillable tomorrow. Problem is that he is going to live yet another day after it, and I'm not so sure if he will be killable then.

I thank you AS for your vote of confidence.

Will post more when I get back from work.

*general happy thoughts for everyone*
(imagine that in rainbow colored letters, I have no idea how to do colors, let alone have the time to actually do it)

/zebezt

(DontFear)ThePoster

Guernsey584 Posts

February 06 2013 16:51 GMT

#2215

On February 07 2013 01:46 Aperture Science wrote:

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Nova is the kinda guy that everyone has found scummy but just keeps slipping down the priority list.

Yep, but how does that relate to his alignment?

/G

(DontFear)ThePoster

Guernsey584 Posts

February 06 2013 16:53 GMT

#2216

Anyways, when Clock isn't around there seems to be quite civil conversations here lol.

So Suck/Aperture, better post your reads/thoughts etc before they get here

I have a feeling both of you will flip town....but meh this still feels like the right choice (at least with what we have, i.e all the attacks already made, or at least when Clock made his initial attack)

/G

SuckMyTopdeck

Guernsey314 Posts

February 06 2013 16:54 GMT

#2217

After Clock had used his KP on me, then basically I have to die. That's just the way it goes.

CH said they'd be away to deadline, so I think I'll be ok to think freely until then. I'll be home from work in 2 hours.

Aperture Science

United States151 Posts

February 06 2013 16:56 GMT

#2218

On February 07 2013 01:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways, when Clock isn't around there seems to be quite civil conversations here lol.

So Suck/Aperture, better post your reads/thoughts etc before they get here

How is it the right choice when you think BOTH of us will flip town?

Like, do what you think is right, but what?

(DontFear)ThePoster

Guernsey584 Posts

February 06 2013 16:57 GMT

#2219

The most important thing about both of you dying....other than winning the game if one of you is scum, is that it forces everybody else to take some kind of action instead of just sit there and go "yeah yeah kill X but you can kill Y but you can also kill Z bla bla", which is kind of what makes so many people unreadable for me this day (Rock/Nova for instance...and maybe Stutters according to you guys...?).
Like, Rock/Nova/etc can always say "Oh, yeah Appy/Suck still have a chance to flip scum so I'm not sure!", and it's "fine" because that's what I feel as well, so them saying it could be legit or not and I have no idea which one it is.
If both of you are gone, then they can't say that as well (and so can't everybody else).

I think that can be important to get out of this wishy-washy mess we've put ourselves into.

If the game doesn't end it also forces Clock to stop having that shitty attitude and do something else too.

/G

(DontFear)ThePoster

Guernsey584 Posts

February 06 2013 16:59 GMT

#2220

The "right" thing to do in my mind today would have been killing both Nova/Rock and hopefully just end the game today.

With Clock not giving us his 11 KP, then the next best thing is this I think. I'm still under the "2 guys dead is better than 1 dead guy" assumption...which I hope is right (I already have a feeling everybody in obs QT is yelling at me for that)

/G

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