EPTSo between: you, Morb and Sci? I have no fucking idea.
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Promethelax
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So between: you, Morb and Sci? I have no fucking idea. | ||
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yamato77
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Promethelax
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I believe in Sci's ability to fool Palmar/me/others much more than I believe in you or Morb being able to do the same. If it was the four of us (you/me/Sci/Morb) in mylo it would take some thinking about for me. I'm honestly not sure but due to my constant paranoia I would look at Sci first and hardest. | ||
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yamato77
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But just to play devil's advocate some more, what makes you think Morb is town? I don't think it could have been that difficult to fake a green check on lamp at that point (not to mention, why check lamp there in the first place?). What has he done that's townie aside from voting for Wiggles day 1? I would be more inclined to lynch him over sciberbia, claim and all. But now let's come back to reality. Today we lynch Vivax, no questions asked, right? One of Me/Morb/Scib/You gets shot. Tomorrow we lynch one of Stutters/Bugs. One of the remaining three gets shot. Potential lylo in case of a town flip one of those days. We lynch the last one. Game over. Sound about right? | ||
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Promethelax
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Pretty much how we lynch, yep. | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 29 2012 18:22 yamato77 wrote: Well then we play a waiting game I didn't want to play. well lets play the same game from you. You/me/Sci/Morb mylo, which player is scum and why? | ||
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yamato77
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Your objective entering the thread did not feel like scum hunting to me. I don't think you had a scum read until you posted a case on Eywa. However, what you did do, as I pointed out at the time, was an incredibly anti town thing to do. You came in putting a lot of effort into making me and Palmar look worse after day 1, something I still feel was a mafia favored play. Day 2 you did almost nothing meaningful except lynch debears, which both alignments would want to do. Then day 3 you pushed Eywa's lynch most of the day and defended Bugs. I still think your vote on Bugs served no townie purpose. Why make a vote on someone and at the same time admit that you'll move it if he looks townie enough? Any pressure from that vote is basically meaningless. I doing think you ever had any intention of leaving that vote there until deadline. You basically put it there to shut me up. I think you know all of that, honestly. My opinion of your play is that you look townie. Other than that, I'm not sure how useful you have been in pressuring people in the thread and actually voting for scum. Your own admission that this is just how you play is logical, but nonetheless I am weary of writing you off completely. | ||
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Promethelax
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You haven't been writing me off at all this game, you've called me scum the whole time. And you have been wrong the whole time. D1 I wasn't here. D2 there wasn't much useful to do except lynch Dibbers, though I still would have preferred to make an unholy alliance with him I had a big ole town read on Imp and he wanted to lynch Dibbers. Since that was town consensus I was okay with it. D3 I pushed my biggest scum read. I was wrong about Eywa- being scum but next time I see someone play that way I'd still lynch them in an instant. Eywaa- was playing in a way which was only (logically) explicable as scum motivated. It turns out it was I-am-a-bad-person-who-doesn't-follow-through-on-the-games-I-sign-up-for motivated. Eywa- was scummier than Bugs, so was Vivax. As I said at the time: Bugs is in my don't lynch column because there are two layers who are in my scummier than Bugs column and there can only be two scum. I came into the thread guns blazing, I was replacing into the slot I would have lynched into d1 and I had to put pressure onto people who were not being useful townies who, based on their play and claims should have been useful townies. You'll see if you look into my past play that I am always suspicious of the best player in the game (here Palmar) and I was making damn sure what needed to be said about him got said. You can look at my meta if you don't believe that this is how I play. | ||
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Morbidius
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On December 29 2012 17:04 yamato77 wrote: Okay, so assume Two of the three we want to lynch into are actually town. Who would you think is the last scum possibility? Prome of course. | ||
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sciberbia
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On December 29 2012 17:27 yamato77 wrote: I'm honestly not even sure this discussion is necessary, but just waiting for flips the next three days is going to be a long wait. But just to play devil's advocate some more, what makes you think Morb is town? I don't think it could have been that difficult to fake a green check on lamp at that point (not to mention, why check lamp there in the first place?). What has he done that's townie aside from voting for Wiggles day 1? I would be more inclined to lynch him over sciberbia, claim and all. But now let's come back to reality. Today we lynch Vivax, no questions asked, right? One of Me/Morb/Scib/You gets shot. Tomorrow we lynch one of Stutters/Bugs. One of the remaining three gets shot. Potential lylo in case of a town flip one of those days. We lynch the last one. Game over. Sound about right? This sounds about right. I do not see myself unvoting Vivax today. The fact that he hasn't been posting in over a day when he is on the chopping block makes me feel even more confident that he is scum. On December 29 2012 18:23 Promethelax wrote: well lets play the same game from you. You/me/Sci/Morb mylo, which player is scum and why? I'll play. My strongest town read would probably be yamato. I was willing to believe he was miller from the moment he claimed. It was right at the beginning of the game, and the wording in his post "I'm forced to do this I believe" was convincing. Since then, he has been putting a lot of time and thought into the game, which I doubt he would do if he were scum, since he has never been in any danger of getting lynched. Instead it seems like he genuinely wants to help town win as best he can. Also voted Wiggles early D1. Next would be Morbidius. I explained during N1 why I thought he was town, and the cop claim pretty much cemented it for me. He just doesn't seem like sneaky enough of a person to post the way he has if he were scum. Even if he had a strong scum partner, I can't see him fakeclaiming cop. And I think that he has to be cop for the setup to be even close to balanced. Also his comment about being bored, while aggravating, is not something a scum would be likely to say. So in a me/prom/morb/yamato LYLO, I'd be reasonably confident that the scum is Prom. I still hold the scummy play of Zeblade slightly against him. Also he doesn't have anything blue going for him, and he hasn't been instrumental in our finding of scum (don't fault him too much due to his not being here D1). So the biggest reason I think Prom is town is that most of his posts read like a very motivated and helpful townie who is trying very hard to help town win. I think he's possibly good enough at scum that he could be faking this. In summary, I'd be shocked if it turns out we lose to a scum Morbidius or yamato. I'd be surprised if it turns out we lose to a scum Promethelax, but it's certainly within the realm of possibilities. Just praying that he is indeed town. | ||
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Vivax
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Holy shit roman numbers You better have a lot of time when reading this. I. Me, Morbidius and Eywa were targets for his cases so far, he voted for debears when it was the obvious best lynch, Wiggles see above. What I want to summarize is: His pool of lynch candidates has constantly been small, and they are all townies, assuming Morbs claim to be correct. This excludes the votes he has placed to join the bandwagons, and he always joined them as silently as possible. II. when threatened with a lynch, he constantly rehashes "I'm town", he joins the setup speculation under the premise he's town. It's an easy way to plant doubts without giving any information whatsoever. III. The question matter: He asked me things that have been already written in the thread. That could just be indicative of a lazy townie not reading the thread. However, scum are afraid of having their mistakes exposed, and stutters handling of the matter screams scum to me. When questioned about it, it ends up in huge posts where he argues that I've taken his quotes out of context, so I'll settle this here: Debears asked me why I claimed and voted for me => I said maybe later => I said no one's going to fall for the Kenpachi trap in this game, went to bed => stutters asks the question saying "IT HAS NEVER BEEN ASKED" , the line that caught my attention, although now it looks like he did actually see the questions. => I come back, explain Kenpachi trap to stutters, saw he fell for it and vote for him, also based on his quick switch to Morb when pressured and his low interest in pursuing me at that point. The lies in this case are: 1. He said he missed the question 2. The question has never been asked (while in context he knew about it). IV: He ALWAYS avoided the fact that he promised reads he didn't deliver. And people are giving him slack for it. Bugs and me wrote about that already, and that's why I additionally want to lynch him for lying. If you can't deliver, don't promise it. It's not like you don't know your own schedule. And it's happening again: Instead of saying, "yeah sorry didn't have time", he avoids admitting his mistake and only answers the questions he feels confident in. This is super scummy behaviour, and he behaved the same in front of the Kenpachi matter. V: He lastly uses Wiggles' attack on me to portrait that I'm scum. Amazing play. This is probably the last resort. Anyone who has been either attacked or defended by scum is going to be potentially vulnerable to the connection. As a townie, there's nothing you can do about it, but scum can try to play that card when it's their ass at stake. VI: This votecount was posted shortly before stutters... + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2012 10:55 Keirathi wrote: Vote Count Eywa- (3) - Vivax, Promethelax, Morbidius wherebugsgo (2) - yamato77, Palmar Stutters695 (1) - wherebugsgo Not Voting: sciberbia, Stutters695, Eywa- Day ends in ~22 hours. Eywa- is currently set to be lynched .. posted this: On December 27 2012 12:43 Stutters695 wrote: *snip* Other than Vivax and Eywa I'm not sold on WBG but he's so fucking hard to get a read on. I'm thinking Eywa + Vivax/WBG scumteam with a strong lean towards Vivax currently (WBG just feels weird but I can't substantiate it like I can with Vivax). I'll have a more lengthy post on WBG later, but in the meantime: ##Vote: Eywa Why is this important? Well, he absolutely never gave a flying dry horseshit about Bugs before. He answered questions to him, suspected Morb for voting Bugs. Now suddenly, when everybody starts getting interested in Bugs, he appears in his suspect list, but the vote obviously goes to the guy with most votes at that moment. And after he suspected Morbidius and me, he NEVER questioned our votes on Eywa, although he thought us to be scummy. He found both Eywa and two guys voting for him scummy, makes sense? Oh, and there is no lengthy post about WBG out yet. I guess lies are subject to inflation. VII. Sciberbia appears 5 times in his quotes. Yet he never interacted with him. NEVER. I see this as reason enough to make a connection case. Don't be fooled by sciberbia. There's a reason he's pushing for me. That's cause it would be evident that sciberbia has been soft-defending stutters all the time, while stutters never even considered a scum sciberbia. That of course would only become evident if stutters got lynched today, I'm the only alternative lynch candidate, so sciberbia pushes me, his good old town read. + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2012 05:33 sciberbia wrote: @Debears While it's not exactly comforting that he hasn't posted in almost 24 hours, I'm still thinking town on Vivax. WBG has been disagreeable, and I haven't liked his reads much. Idk if this necessarily makes him scum, but he has given me no reason to believe he is town. I'm leaning town on Stutters. So WBG > Stutters > Vivax Obviously he didn't want to lynch me either at the time. We were heading towards an Eywa mislynch and he didn't see the need to distract us from it. Shortly before Palmar died: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2012 07:25 sciberbia wrote: *snip* the bottom line In order for a Stutters lynch tomorrow to be the optimal play, there has to be some conceivable scumteam that we could beat by lynching Stutters tomorrow but that we could not beat by lynching into bugs/vivax tomorrow (vivax IMO). I don't see that there is one. What say you? Please not "I don't care" Of course he doesn't see another alternative, cause he's stutters' scum buddy. Then there are posts like this: On December 28 2012 04:48 Stutters695 wrote: Ebwop: I saw Palmar claim he thinks he's town, but I haven't had time to fully read your interaction with Palmar about it to see if he has a point. I'll address that as well, but unless I missed a major breadcrumb or something he's either scum or this is the worst townie play I've ever seen which feels unlikely as hell. I'd be comfortable with a lynch on either today because I think they're both scum but a Vivax flip provides significantly more info. VIII. Stutters never had a single interaction with Wiggles until he voted for him without commenting. No wait, there actually was one (useless) interaction: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote: *snip* @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? @Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about? *snip* Okay, that is all for me. We are 6, 4 town, 2 scum. If you kill me, it's 3 town, 2 scum, 1 town dies at night. AND WE LOSE THE DAMN GAME. Think long and hard about who you want to lynch. I have said what I had to say. I'm not going to be responsible for your choices afterwards. ##Vote stutters695 Otherwise, gg town, I had fun this game. | ||
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Vivax
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It refers actually to point VIII cause I forgot to add a number to that point and moved it downwards. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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The only reason the game is a challenge is because half the player base lurked, leading people to believe I was scum. Does anyone find a vivax/stutters scum team unlikely? Finally, can I get some past games from everyone? I've checked up on a few of you, but I'd like to see town+scum games from everyone. I want some questions answered before I am going to say anything. | ||
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