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Can the witchhunter even shoot twice in the same cycle? Seems like it would be OP and a no-brainer to just shoot as soon as the night begins.
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From the OP:
Twice, at any point during the game, day or night, you can fire your Silver Bullet by PMing the host. If it hits someone empowered with Witchcraft, they die on the spot, even if they are a Veteran.
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No, if you were town, I'm confident the mafia would have already tried to shoot you.
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On December 18 2012 00:06 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing. The goal is not to not be lynched, the goal is to catch the scum. So I will be making a case on you guys, however, I'm not releasing it for at least another 24 hours.
On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right?
FFS. You're trying to goddamn kill townies. WHY ARE YOU GOING AGAINST OUR WIN CONDITION SHDFSDNIUFBIUDBVD. Also FFS, if you're town, part of your play is making sure you don't get lynched, because if you get lynched it's a mislynch and it's against your win condition.
You just said you support two things against town win condition. I wasn't completely convinced after Hapa's case, but I am now.
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WTF guys !
Never speak about the WitchCraft votes!
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On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already?
because hapa's alive
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On December 18 2012 01:53 Hapahauli wrote:I'm not really sure what JieXian is doing. His tunnel on me seems super-forced, and I'm leaning scum on him. Like he says I'm ignoring his questions... but didn't ask me any questions? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=52#1029(First part of this post) Firstly, he's been screaming that Eywa is town without having provided any rationale for it so far. Second, he's misrepresenting his actions regarding the Morbidius lynch yesterday. I'll admit that I missed some of his stuff regarding morbidius in his filter, however, he never talked about why the morbidius lynch was a bad idea (other than "he was consistent against MrZ). He just kept saying it was a bad idea. In addition, his suspicions make very little sense with his voting. His top scumread was MrZ for most of Day 1, yet his votes were on MrCC and Thrawn... wha? Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
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if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join His suspicions just don't add up with his votes. He shifts his vote around willy-nilly and it reads like he doesn't give a shit about who dies. As long as it wasn't Morbidius of course, with whom he never explained his town read on.
Are you SERIOUSLY asking me to justify why I didn't explicitly post a strong pro town on a guy,
--whom I defended crazily
--whom I never had scum reads on
--whom I was trying to swing the votes away from?
LOL
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About the whole MrZ thing:
look who am I tunelling on now? MrCC and you. I have been attacking mrcc since before the lynch. Thrawn was a vote to pressure MrCC many people showed me the filter to mrz's paranoia mafia game, which I missed and I rationalised and stopped training on him after people showed me that it was a weak case.
He's now on my grey area list and I'm still unsure about him as I said to djo
On December 18 2012 00:05 JieXian wrote:
Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy
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For you question about my question you'll find this inside the spoiler:
For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly?
On December 18 2012 00:41 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:37 Hapahauli wrote:@JieXianWhere did you run off to? I asked you a question, and I expect responses for these things: Where in your filter do you read morbidius as townie? I haven't found it. @ EywaYou throwing around names without reasoning isn't doing town any good. Explain why you think Mr. CC and Djo are scum. You've given zero rationale for it. Firstly, YOU're the one who has been avoiding my questions Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:37 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible let me leave this before i go __________ and to answer the question, I've been getting everyone to NOT to vote for morbid DESPITE it being my life saver Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:55 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:52 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 05:47 MrZentor wrote:
Djo, read through Morbidiu's filter.
Then look through each of the cases against him.
Then read through Threesr's filter.
THERE IS NOTHING SCUMMY IN HIS FILTER.
We shouldn't be lynching a lurking town instead of an active scum.
If you want to lynch Threesr instead of Morb, list some reasons for why Threesr is scum, and Morb is town.
And if you can't find any reasons for why Threesr is scum, but still want to lynch him, that means you are lynching him solely on the fact that he is a lurker, and lynching a lurker should always be a last resort, when you can't find any scum..
lol Coming just before the deadline to drop his vote on the latest bandwagon is fucking scummy in my book. For mordi, I don't like his opening post and the way he reacted drazak's vote. But I like the fact that he is going after you. You made nothing to make me think that you are town. if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbidshit Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:35 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 04:45 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote:On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you.##unvote ##vote MrZentor The bolded part is incredibly scummy. Hedges bets, says he is a good lynch regardless of alignment. But is not policy lynching. ? He's been consistent in being against MrZ the whole game Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly STRING HIM UP and I supposedly "lurk" at times (don't even try to jump on this as a scumslip) because I have real life things to do too. I was at the gym, and I was at work earlier in the day
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On December 18 2012 02:15 MrZentor wrote:
No, if you were town, I'm confident the mafia would have already tried to shoot you.
I don't discount the possibility, however unless the 3rd scumteam member is someone rather bright, I can see Eywa and JieXian doing just about anything with NK's.
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This whole talk about blues / witchhunter shots is all a bunch of WIFOM right now, hardcore.
We can't know anything for sure.
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On December 18 2012 02:16 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing. The goal is not to not be lynched, the goal is to catch the scum. So I will be making a case on you guys, however, I'm not releasing it for at least another 24 hours. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? FFS. You're trying to goddamn kill townies. WHY ARE YOU GOING AGAINST OUR WIN CONDITION SHDFSDNIUFBIUDBVD. Also FFS, if you're town, part of your play is making sure you don't get lynched, because if you get lynched it's a mislynch and it's against your win condition. You just said you support two things against town win condition. I wasn't completely convinced after Hapa's case, but I am now.
@ drazak
Good to see you here !
Would you mind to post a little more ?
Scumreads apart Eywa and stuff like that...
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No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.
Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?
Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.
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On December 18 2012 01:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:44 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:24 Djodref wrote:
Why did Eywa not present a reasonable case against Hapa ? Your job as town is to convince other people that you are right.
I don't think that Eywa's behavior speaks for a town Eywa. So, the scumslip here is damning in my view.
I called him out on that too and asked him if it's his first game. He said that it was his first on tl mafia. I cannot know what was he thinking but it doesn't appear scummy to me at all, it appeared nooby since it was his first time. Scum would accuse people and latch on to anything they can find. He called him scum without any proper justification or quoting and sticked on to it. I don't see how is that scummy. I'm giving him the BOTD for now, thinking that he'll post something concrete soon. For now, I'm agreeing with him as long as he wants to lynch hapa and mrcc and based on the fact that he wanted to save morbid too. JX, you aren't giving him the "BOTD" - you're calling him "OBV TOWN" and that warrants much more of a justification than what you've been providing.
I cannot justify strongly for him but I'm sure he's town because he's onto the right people
hapa and mrcc
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On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive
So I'm town. Lol.
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I don't like the mrz/JX deal, kinda looks like they're trying to tunnel eachother and then they'll drop it when day post is up or halfway through the day or whatever.
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On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive
because you are part of the mafia team, that's the simplest explanation 
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he's not playing super strong town, just like I'm not (with my first post for example), because we're new
however his intentions and actions are clear. He's town to me until he suddenly choose a few scum candidates that don't make sense
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Why not?
Hapa should be dead. He's not
That means one of the following
1. He is town and didn't get blue
a. This is one possibility, and if this is true, there's nothing wrong with us revealing who voted for him.
2. He is town and got blue, the the mafia haven't tried to shoot him.
a. But this doesn't make sense, because it is more likely that Hap got blue than DP, so the mafia would naturally try to shoot him first.
3. He is mafia and got blue, but heis lying about it, so he doesn't get caught.
a. This is another possibility, and we can see if this is true or not by everybody claiming if they voted for him or not.
So basically, we can tell if he's scum or not by revealing our votes, and it's unlikely mafia can do anything about it.
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On December 18 2012 02:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive because you are part of the mafia team, that's the simplest explanation
hapa was on eywa while I wasn't posting on N1, when DP was shot.
How the hell would it be more advantageous to convince everyone to vote for hapa when only EYWA and I think that he's scum?
think about it
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mafia shooting dp and hapa were no brainers,
if they were both townie
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@ JieXian
On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive
Please explain your logic here. It seems like you just called me town dawg.
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