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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 17 2012 17:40 GMT
#1121
The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now.

We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none.


On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?

no one


Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 17 2012 17:41 GMT
#1122
On December 18 2012 02:39 JieXian wrote:
tell me who's the next most towniest person you can tihnk of


That would involve me giving you potential blue-shots, and I'm not interested.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 17 2012 17:41 GMT
#1123
On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now.

We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none.


Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?

no one


Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?


Because he's scum. Christ. Haven't we gone over this?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 17 2012 17:41 GMT
#1124
edbwop okay saw your response
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2012 17:42 GMT
#1125
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.

Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).

So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 17 2012 17:43 GMT
#1126
MrZ. Stop speculating what scum would or wouldn't do. We can't assume rationality when dealing with scum members. Just be a nice little sheep and kill JieXian and/or Eywa tomorrow. I'll even let you take your pick. They're both scum anyway.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#1127
On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.

Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?

Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.


people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies

my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch

my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip

oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#1128
On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.

Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).

So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.


Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot.

I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence.

Scum want to fuck with your head.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#1129
I hope you don't honestly believe that.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 17 2012 17:46 GMT
#1130
On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now.

We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none.


Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?

no one


Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?


Please convince me and eywa and zentor why
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 17 2012 17:46 GMT
#1131
[QUOTE]On December 18 2012 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.

Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).

So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.[/QUOTE]

Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot.

I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence.

Scum want to fuck with your head.[/QUOTE]

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2012 17:47 GMT
#1132
On December 18 2012 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.

Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).

So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.


Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot.

I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence.

Scum want to fuck with your head.


No, they want to kill Blues with their silver bullets. If Hapa is town, then he has already been shot by the witch hunter, so there is no reason why we shouldn't reveal who voted for him and who didn't.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 17 2012 17:49 GMT
#1133
On December 18 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you don't honestly believe that.


I could say the same. But clearly you do.

On December 18 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.

Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?

Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.


people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies

my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch

my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip

oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town


You're not getting what I'm saying at all.
Yes, people thought you scumslipped for your inconsistent read. However, I'm not talking about that when I say your reads are "non-controversial." At that point in the game, it was obvious that me and DP were town. Virtually everyone thought so. You also went after a lynch-bait type player in MrZ.

Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 17 2012 17:51 GMT
#1134
I do think we should just say exactly who we voted for. All three go right ahead.

Kush
Hapa
DP

there you go guys.

I'm just saying --- we can't know 100% that the witchhunter shot him. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry. It's LIKELY, but not definite.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#1135
No, only say if you voted for Hapa or not.

We don't want to put other blues in danger, because it is possible that Hapa is scum, and therefore, scum has another silver bullet.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#1136
Yes let's give out possible blue shots to mafia. That's an excellent fucking idea you goddamn retard.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 17 2012 17:55 GMT
#1137
I have almost no time today but I'm trying to keep up with the thread so I don't have millions of pages to read tomorrow.

@Jiexian WHY DO YOU HATE ME DUDE? What did I even do to you? I even sent you that awesome song in PM. And every fucking post it seems like, all you can talk about is how dumb I am... like wtf why are you flaming me?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#1138
On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you don't honestly believe that.


I could say the same. But clearly you do.

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:
On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.

Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?

Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.


people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies

my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch

my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip

oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town


You're not getting what I'm saying at all.
Yes, people thought you scumslipped for your inconsistent read. However, I'm not talking about that when I say your reads are "non-controversial." At that point in the game, it was obvious that me and DP were town. Virtually everyone thought so. You also went after a lynch-bait type player in MrZ.

Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread.


On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive...


The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it.

In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored.


You can only vote for one no-vote.
Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ?

##Unvote
##Vote Hapa



On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Why DP is Scum
+ Show Spoiler +



Strange Tunnel on Djo
On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive...


The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it.

In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored.


You can only vote for one no-vote.
Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ?

##Unvote
##Vote Hapa


Wow your an idiot.

##Vote: Djodref.

Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless.

Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous.

Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.


So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.


Two things to note about the red/bolded passage:
1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good."
2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post.

On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:
On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't


So answer me this Djo:
1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter?
2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting?
3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored.


1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies
2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads
3) True, but impossible in this game


1- you are valuing blues to highly

2- That is a ridiculous proposition

3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?

Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP?

Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time.

This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can.

This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject:
On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.

Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP?

This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.



Other Stuff:

Firstly, DP's first post:
On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town.


The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts.

Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it:
On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.

Source: my last three town games. and this game.

The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact.




On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable.
On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive...


The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it.

In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored.


You can only vote for one no-vote.
Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ?

##Unvote
##Vote Hapa


Wow your an idiot.

##Vote: Djodref.

Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless.

Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous.

Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.

So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.


But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite.
On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.

Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP?


But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining...
On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.

Source: my last three town games. and this game.



Lynch this sucker. He's scum.


No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all.

It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads.

I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative.

The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason.

Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario.

Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this.

##unvote

##vote: hapa



On December 15 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Darthpunk


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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2012 18:01 GMT
#1139
Kush, Eywa,and JieXian, did you guys vote for Hapa?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 17 2012 18:02 GMT
#1140
On December 18 2012 02:55 kushm4sta wrote:
I have almost no time today but I'm trying to keep up with the thread so I don't have millions of pages to read tomorrow.

@Jiexian WHY DO YOU HATE ME DUDE? What did I even do to you? I even sent you that awesome song in PM. And every fucking post it seems like, all you can talk about is how dumb I am... like wtf why are you flaming me?


sorry, nothing personal, trying to save eywa. Not flaming you, trying to win the game.

thanks for the song

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