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@ Munk-E
Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?
Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game.
@ everyone
What's WBG reputation as a vet ? Would the scum in the mafiaQT shit their pants if he was town ?
Anyone else than marv in this game that would be considered as super strong town ?
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On December 11 2012 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
bugs & Palmar both very strong town, VE not too shabby either.
Is there a reason you're asking?
Yeah, I was wondering if the scumteam would let scum Munk-E post what he did post against WBG, assuming he is town, or even if he is scum himself.
Newbies don't go generally after the vets like this, especially if they are scum, because they know they should be careful with such guy and such guy from some other experienced player in the scumQT.
So, basically, my point is that Munk-E doesn't seem to know about WBG reputation or whatever so I lean town on him because it leads me to think he doesn't have extra-info.
I'm for giving him some slack and letting him post his thoughts without pressuring him to much. I don't want him to go into "newbie shell mode", especially if he is town, and I currently think there are greater chances for this than him being scum.
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On December 11 2012 01:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:25 Djodref wrote:On December 11 2012 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
bugs & Palmar both very strong town, VE not too shabby either.
Is there a reason you're asking? Yeah, I was wondering if the scumteam would let scum Munk-E post what he did post against WBG, assuming he is town, or even if he is scum himself. Newbies don't go generally after the vets like this, especially if they are scum, because they know they should be careful with such guy and such guy from some other experienced player in the scumQT. So, basically, my point is that Munk-E doesn't seem to know about WBG reputation or whatever so I lean town on him because it leads me to think he doesn't have extra-info. I'm for giving him some slack and letting him post his thoughts without pressuring him to much. I don't want him to go into "newbie shell mode", especially if he is town, and I currently think there are greater chances for this than him being scum. this is WIFOM and overthinking all in one. Very rarely from my experience are scumteams organized at all this early in the game (or, for that matter, ever). Individual players don't tend to think very much about smaller posts, it's really only the larger posts and the overarching ideas (such as bussing/pushing wagons) that are coordinated.
I'm speaking from my own experience as a newbie scum in a "real game with vets", the Looney Lynching Game. When I joined the scumQT, Hiro and OriginalName were already discussing about when to kill sandroba or mementoss. So I had naturally avoided interactions with these players. I was also asking for some advice like "should I go after this guy?" and stuff like that.
I didn't find Munk-E post against very good but I would expect this kind of posts coming from a newbie town rather than from a newbie scum. Moreover, I think we should give him some slack so he doesn't feel scared to post, regardless of his alignment. It's pretty easy to read town newbies if you let them share their thoughts quite freely imho. And if he scum, we should be able to discover it pretty quickly, and his partners should bus him anyway ^^
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On December 11 2012 01:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:30 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG
We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others.
I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason.
So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game.
What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ?
Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ? And what about you? You casually mention BL in a question about whether he and I are considered vets too, so you seem interested in him somehow.
I was more interested in the relations that WBG and BL could have together. I've briefly skimmed through some of jay's linked games and I've noticed that Palmar, WBG, BL, VE and jay were already playing together in the Hammer Mini Mafia game. So I've assumed they knew each other play from this time so I wanted to know if WBG had really more reasons to suspect Palmar to be in the mafia rather than BL (prior to BL first post) or any reason not to comment on BL's vote.
From Bl's OP, it looks like he is going to participate more soon, but for the moment we are kind of on the same line of thoughts, so I'm not really worrying about him.
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On December 11 2012 02:11 marvellosity wrote:
as I read it that was bugs saying he wasn't commenting on BL, so no bugs didn't say he wouldn't be going after the other lurkers
why am I finding it so hard to engage you in conversation on your read of Adam??
@ marv
And who is this post addressed to ?
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@ Vivax
What was the point of this post ?
We absolutely need your analysis and your thoughts about what you present us. This was kind of useless...
What's your experience on mafia games on forum ? Do you know any of the other players ?
Anything you would like to precise about VE or thrawn ?
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EBWOP: By the way, thrawn posted this as a joke at first and then tried to use it as a mafia-trap...
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@ Z-Boson
First of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum.
I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game.
On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn
I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears
My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this.
The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion.
And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far.
Regarding thrawn, I wanted him to explain his move. I didn't see this coming from a mafia player, but still, I wanted him to explain his motivations for it. And then thrawn goes like
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible
and then
On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it.
which was pretty stubborn and stupid. I used a pressure vote (which didn't work) to get him talk, regardless of his alignment. And he deserved this pressure vote. When I unvoted him, I was expecting him to explain himself as putting himself in a position where he is going to get some pressure, especially mafia pressure. So, yeah, it matches its town mindset.
And then, Clarity came in this thread with a case worth sheeping, so I sheeped. At the light of Clarity case, jay was more likely to be scum than debears. But now, as many people started to participate overnight, I'm going to update my reads.
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On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
@ Tunkeg
You can find all my previous games on these forums in my profile.
I don't like the way you are saying I'm fluffy and scummy, without really backing it up with a case or at least some quotes. You are just discrediting me for free here.
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I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
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On December 11 2012 12:54 thrawn2112 wrote:debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post. Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible
@ thrawn
The two posts you are talking about were independent if you are talking about these.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.
On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected  Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ?
Regarding the post you linked, it was the conclusion I came to when I was asking myself why you were being stubborn and not wanting to explain your motivations for your fakeclaim. After my pressure vote on you, I was wondering why a town thrawn would put himself in such a situation and I remembered this post you made about how you liked to be pushed as a mislynched.
So, I was ready to post it before your explanation because it was what I was expecting from you. But it was not prepared, just I knew where to find this stuff.
It is a strange question. Could I ask you what you are going to do with this info ?
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@ thrawn
Here is my train of thoughts. I was just trying to figure you out 
+ Show Spoiler [Why so stubborn?] +On December 10 2012 10:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. I don't like it. I don't understand why you are being so stubborn... Let's see if it's really all you have to say about it. ##Vote thrawn
+ Show Spoiler [expectations] +On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?
+ Show Spoiler [matching expectations] +On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ?
So, yeah, I have you on my town list after all this and also your stupid joke fakeclaiming miller.
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EBWOP: I was starting to think at you saying "I liked to be myslinched somewhere in some game" when I made my "expectations" post. I remembered it was from the Looney Game slightly after and I looked back for it in your filter. So I was ready for the "matching expectations" post
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On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote:
@ Munk-E
Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?
Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game. This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old. Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough.*snip* I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.
@ Munk-E
Are you sure you are going to be more active to not get lynched. As far as I know, you only have said that WBG should be town.
Could you expand on why you highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers ?
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On December 11 2012 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So yeah, the more I read the more I'm convinced that this is the correct route to take.
##Vote Adam4167
Everything about his game seems slightly off, and I think it's the better lynch between him and Jay.
In fact, I think my other lynch options at this point would be WBG or Djodref (who has basically disappeared).
@ Palmar
I didn't disappear, I was at work. I really live in South Korea and sometimes I'm very busy at work, sometimes not.
I've noticed in your video that you didn't like some of my posts but I think you have yet to show how they make me scum, which is wrong by the way.
What about jay ? You don't have him as a lynch option for today ?
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On December 11 2012 20:33 Palmar wrote:
I think you could be scum, but it's irrelevant at the moment because you're not the guy I want to lynch at the moment.
Okay but I didn't want to discuss about me but more about your stance on jay
You had like adam as scum, jay, wbg and me as possible scum at the end of your video. Correct ?
Why is jay not on your lynch candidates list for today anymore ? I'm asking because he has more chances to end up lynched than me at the moment and also because you were supposed to check your role PM in between
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Tunkeg
Let's lynched Tunkeg today !
Part I --- Lack of scumhunting
On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes.
So, at this point, Tunkeg would vote Vivax, jay or me in that order. But has he really put in any personal effort to figure out the alignment of these players (i.e. has he done some scumhunting) ? Not really...
Voting Vivax would be an OMGUS reaction. He would be totally sheeping Clarity on jay+ Show Spoiler [sheeping Clarity] +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
*snip*
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
*snip*
Tunkeg stance on me
+ Show Spoiler [wishy-washy and slightly scummy on Djo…] +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
On December 11 2012 07:46 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
For Djodref I think he have posted alot of useless questions, and maybe some usefull ones, maybe to look like he is active. But then again, maybe that is his style. I am not sure what to make of him.
*snip* On December 11 2012 07:56 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, do you think Djordref acted scummy in front of thrawns claim? By scummy in front of thrawn's claim, do you mean before thrawn claimed? If so, no, because he didn't post before thrawn claimed. If I think Djordref's play is more scummy in general than thrawn's claim, then yes, as I do find thrawn's claim more townie than scummy, and Djordref's play slightly scummy. I am not sure where you want to go with this question...
The spoilered posts show that Tunkeg doesn't know what to do with me and didn't try to figure me out by interacting with me or checking my previous games. Nevertheless, he would be ready to vote me today. Tunkeg doesn't put the effort that a townie should necessarily put to be sure if the guys he votes are really mafia or not. For me, it looks like he doesn't really care of who is going to get lynched today. This is some proof of a scum mindset.
Part II --- The reaction to WBG case
On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote:
Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions?
And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play.
WBG's case on Tunkeg + Show Spoiler [the case in question] +On December 11 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:*snip* Tunkeg: Every post he makes is either a useless summary or a wishy washy load of crock shit. Exhibit A: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
He says absolutely nothing here. At the point that he posts this, it's general consensus that thrawn is town or at the very least dumb. Thus, his entire first paragraph is just saying something for the sake of saying something. It doesn't add anything to discussion, because no one fucking asked Tunkeg if he had a town read on Thrawn. We don't need to know everyone's town reads unless they have relevance to the lynch (i.e. the guy getting lynched or being suspected is town to you) Secondly, his thoughts on jay and djo are very nebulous and not specific at all. He also has no concrete opinion and whatever he does think was clearly not original (which is bad in the sense that, if that idea passes through to fruition, i.e. a lynch, he won't take the fall for it) Now, some stuff from meta: Here's a game Tunkeg played as town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337724. Here are some posts he made from day 1: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote:
Time for some Q&A's. I don't see any questions for except rethorical ones and questions that are allready answered in my opening thread. If you do have a question for me, or want me to clarify anything, make it clear that you want me to answer it. Now for my questions:
@VE
What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts.
@WBG
If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why?
@Acrofalis
You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?
@NT
What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far?
@ET
Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far?
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote:
Reads d1 of Day1
Acrofalis/Marvellosity:
Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure.
EchelonTee:
Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out.
Zealos
Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions.
Mattchew
He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now.
Nova_Terra
Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes.
Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning.
PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me.
PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it.
Note how much more proactive he is in establishing reads and pushing questions and thoughts. In this game, he's all like: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. The change in tone and willingness to scumhunt is incredibly apparent. Either Tunkeg has become drastically worse as a town player (doubt it) or he is scum this game. Just from memory I find these posts this game to be in contrast to how he played in Arkham City and in Mafia LI as well, where he was town. So, let's kill Tunkeg today. ##unvote
##vote Tunkeg
From Tunkeg's answer, you can see that he doesn't address the points WBG made against him and that he diverts the meta case against him into an emotional complaint about how WBG didn't appreciate his previous town play. After that, he keeps on discrediting WBG.
On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment.
hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth.
The fact that Tunkeg didn't calmly address the points made against him and went all emotional in his defense are strong points that indicate that Tunkeg is indeed scum.
Conclusion
Tunkeg- Lack of scumhunting
- Lack of interest in the people he considers as lynch candidates today
- Plays on a emotional rather than on a rational level
Please read my spoilers !
##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg
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And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ?
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On December 11 2012 23:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:49 Djodref wrote:
And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ? No, we're not doing that, that's stupid. Answer me something Djo - why is playing emotionally rather than rationally a scum trait?
@ marv
I don't think it's a scum trait in general. It is here a scum trait when you consider his defense of WBG's case imo. I fucked up my conclusion here, sorry...
Rather than trying to show that WBG arguments were not good or not necessarily indicative of mafia play, he went into a whiny "you didn't even like my town play in these previous games" and then proceeds to discredit WBG.
Regarding grush, I've seen in the LVII that he is perfectly capable of gamethrowing so I don't think it's as stupid as it looks.
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