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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:12 thrawn2112 wrote: djo? idk yet. i'm still working through my read on hapa and atm that's my top priority. but I want to reference this post: the only way that one of djo/boson/thrawn isn't scum is if all the mafia bussed adam why is this either unlikely or likely? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote: marv... you think it's more likely that all the scum bussed adam? I'd just been taking a walk through the vote-thread. I wouldn't say it was more likely, but not particularly less likely as well. For example, take a look at Acro's votecount on December 12, 09:02 Adam had 9 votes, so already the necessary majority. That was before Hapa/Munk-E had voted, but Clarity (vig), thrawn (almost confirmed town), wherebugsgo (JK), weren't voting Adam either. and then Z-Bo/Djodref. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote: lol i still dont understand why i've been considered confirmed town by like everyone the whole game. is everyone just writing me off as confirmed dumb townie because of palmar's video? palmar's video was just him saying what was obvious, and the read i'd already given on you. your subsequent play showed effort and paranoia commensurate with a townie as well. if you were scum you'd have been playing not like you have been. Or you could say, you've not given any reason to doubt the original read on you given | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:12 thrawn2112 wrote: djo? idk yet. i'm still working through my read on hapa and atm that's my top priority. but I want to reference this post: the only way that one of djo/boson/thrawn isn't scum is if all the mafia bussed adam Yea I don't think this is a valid form of approaching the game. It is statistical that scum votes are spread out, but occasionally (as I think is the case this game), they won't be. You should focus your efforts on actual scumhunting, with discussion, etc. , specially now that you and marv are probably dying. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:30 grush57 wrote: Sigh, I don't know who to lynch now. You want someone to tell you or are you actually gonna start contributing? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I'm going to be focusing on other things today, and I want to wait for any potential NK's tonight before I start typing up cases. I'm pretty confused by Jay flipping town, and finding the other two scum is going to take some concerted effort. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On December 22 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote: You want someone to tell you or are you actually gonna start contributing? Hey, just cuz ur scum doesn't mean you gotta be mean. :'( | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 22 2012 05:54 grush57 wrote: Also I never asked anyone to tell me. I don't know. Basically anyone is a lynch candidate at this point, so let's see what the NKs are. So why don't you try figuring it out? Why don't you post your reads or try to be helpful in any sort of way? Cmon dude | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
since you are likely to die tonight, what are your thoughts on who's scum now that jay has flipped green? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Some questions regarding this post I recall from your filter. On December 21 2012 05:09 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah so what? Quote #1: I'm clearly expressing reservations, and I'm not committed to either side. Also... I want to lynch... Jay? How does that make sense from a mafia perspective? Quote #2: I'm clearly not ready to trust VE as you claim. I said I'm not dismissing the claim, not that I want to trust him. Again, it's stupid in such a volatile spot to turn the blinders on in either way, and I'll be damned if you tunnel suspicion on me for having the correct attitude as a townie here. Quote #3: How in the fuck is that "I want to believe VE?" That's me expressing some very clear reservations about VE. Quote #4: Jay is "pants on head" - yes that's exactly what I thought at the time until looking through VE's filter (particularly his last scum-list post) showed me otherwise. What about my attitude there was unreasonable? Hell I took an opinion directly against everyone in the thread for what reason exactly? On #1, why is lynching jay nonsensical from a mafia perspective? I mean, sure, we all thought he was scum at the time, but regardless, I don't see what you mean there. Being a bus or being a mislynch, why did you reason it didn't make sense at that time? On #4, what exactly in VE's scumlist post made you think otherwise regarding jay's pants-on-head read? I remember you saying how jay was super-cordial with someone trying to lynch him or something like that, but can you be more specific on this? | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
21972 Posts
THRAWN & MARV :______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Given what Adam posted about thrawn's stance on self-aware millers claiming, I'm willing to rule out fake-claiming (town OR scum), so that leaves us with town joking or scum joking. Between those two, I'd say that thrawn is more likely town than scum. It seems that scum would be more afraid to jokingly claim something that's going to draw attention to him, if not by virtue of the claim alone then because it's not possible for him to even know that. On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: *snip* The case on jay seems to revolve around his lack of commitment to his "scumread" on thrawn based on the miller claim. First of all, I have to say - I don't find that to be particularly damning. *snip* But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote: are you actually saying that I, as scum, in a game where millers aren't aware, because of my past experience in dealing with miller claims, fakeclaimed in order to get people to be extra confused about my alignment? I don't like that you're policy voting, but whatever sometimes emotions get in the way of logic. However I just can't understand the reasoning you're using to call me scum. This is a pretty accurate summary of what he has been doing. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 10:50 marvellosity wrote: we're like an hour in -.- pretty likely to be dumb town, especially coming from thrawn who was super-lurky as scum in Mario and I don't particularly see him pulling a stunt like that as mafia. On December 10 2012 21:59 marvellosity wrote: debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing. On December 14 2012 12:11 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, picking up where I left off ^^ Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. His vote on thrawn was bad and was kinda along the lines of falling into what Adam did. He questioned him repeatedly, and even when it should have been clear that thrawn was probably town, he still ended up chucking a vote on him. Tied into this is that he concentrated on wbg's random 80% number way more than seemed necessary. Generally Djo's whole handling of the Day 1 stuff with adam doesn't look good. On December 11 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg has done jack shit to make me think he's town which I love to lynch for on Day 1, but Adam has betrayed a scum mentality right there. ##Unvote ##Vote: Adamsomenumbers This is also the reason that Djo is probably town.Thrawn also agreed on finding him scummy. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it. On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote: That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. Adams' vagueness is the nail in the coffin. Thrawn made the most ballsy scum move I have ever seen, and it backfired on their team by getting Adam lynched. So, first of all: + Show Spoiler + HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FAILURE Kill Thrawn first, then decide if you want to kill marv immediately or at lylo to be safe. If you don't go for marv, you should probably pick between grush or BL. I have no time to post more analysis before I might die, I just came back from a dinner and have to depart tomorrow, so I hope I'm not gonna die tonight. If marv is really scum this game, which I believe, then my compliments for your play. Out of the three you're the hardest to estimate in regard to your connection with thrawn. Djo is probably not scum cause Thrawn agreed with me on him being scummy in the last pages (lol) when there's no chance he's going to be lynched. Z-Boson has been targeted by cases made by thrawn and VE at pretty close timings. Marv has been basically been an extremely agile guy, noone except me and Palmar even thought for a second about him being scum, but there are some interactions with VE that strike me, which I will post now. | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
On December 10 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: @ marv What do you think about thrawn? Your first post on the subject seemed to indicate suspicion, while your second seemed to elude to a more "stupid town" read. Which is it? And why are you playing like you don't give a shit? On December 10 2012 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Then I guess you don't care really about him explaining his motivations considering the town read and scum meta and such...except you did ask him to explain himself. SEHR INTERESSANT! ##Vote: marvellosity On December 12 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm starting to think marv scum.  Marvy baby you scum? On December 11 2012 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv Looks Town Marv looks like marv. AND WHILE THAT LOOKS DAMN GOOD, it doesn't look like town. At least, not to me....not yet. I'm strongly and vehemently NULL on Marv. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:56 Z-BosoN wrote: @marv since you are likely to die tonight, what are your thoughts on who's scum now that jay has flipped green? I haven't sat down to think about it today. Christmas shopping and gin & tonic have frazzled my brain. The main thing the jay flip tells us is that the two main counterwagons to adam on day 1, jay and Tunkeg, were town. And given how they both weren't pushed at all, mafia were disorganised/inactive/in a state of disarray. Vivax, I sincerely hope you are on some hard medication. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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