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So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL?
AND said this:
On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter. + Show Spoiler [dota] +What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost. This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so. Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities) (1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike. (2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks: Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1. I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him? Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of.
You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum?
No deal.
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On December 06 2012 08:06 Keirathi wrote:So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL? AND said this: Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter. + Show Spoiler [dota] +What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost. This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so. Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities) (1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike. (2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks: On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1. I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him? Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of. You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum? No deal. ##Vote: austinmcc
Yup. I had a confirmed scum check.
You KNOW someone is scum, 100%. But town is in an okay spot and doesn't NEED a scum lynch D2 to survive, and you think one of the top lynch candidates looks scum + is being defended by the guy you know is scum + the guy you know is scum is attacking the only other candidate.
Do you think it's actually ridiculous to try and milk information out of scum in that situation? I want Sandro to take stances, to give thoughts (you'll note there isn't very much of that beyond the lynch post we all (including me) kind of liked). I'd like to be able to look back after lynching him D3, and maybe finding another scum N2, to be able to try and get some associative juju going.
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This is crazy setup if all claims are true with
vig, detective, watcher, 4 masons
7/13 players???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
the fuck?
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One reason I don't believe there are 4 town masons.
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On December 06 2012 08:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:06 Keirathi wrote:So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL? AND said this: On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter. + Show Spoiler [dota] +What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost. This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so. Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities) (1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike. (2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks: On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1. I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him? Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of. You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum? No deal. ##Vote: austinmcc Yup. I had a confirmed scum check. You KNOW someone is scum, 100%. But town is in an okay spot and doesn't NEED a scum lynch D2 to survive, and you think one of the top lynch candidates looks scum + is being defended by the guy you know is scum + the guy you know is scum is attacking the only other candidate. Do you think it's actually ridiculous to try and milk information out of scum in that situation? I want Sandro to take stances, to give thoughts (you'll note there isn't very much of that beyond the lynch post we all (including me) kind of liked). I'd like to be able to look back after lynching him D3, and maybe finding another scum N2, to be able to try and get some associative juju going.
I'm having some major difficulties buying this claim. If you actually found a confirmed scum N1, it sure looked nothing like it. You didn't pressure him, you looked like you thought he was town all day, you didn't breadcrumb, you didn't share your PM when you claimed... The list just goes on and on. And now you're just throwing your vote at him all of a sudden. Why? I'd take a wild guess that this is a desperate move since you know you're in a tight spot. All the more so if you and ShiaoPi are the remaining scum, which makes lots of sense. What's more, I don't see Sandroba as scummy (especially compared to ShiaoPi/yourself). This only leaves one option.
##Vote austinmcc
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On December 06 2012 08:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:06 Keirathi wrote:So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL? AND said this: On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter. + Show Spoiler [dota] +What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost. This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so. Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities) (1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike. (2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks: On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1. I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him? Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of. You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum? No deal. ##Vote: austinmcc Yup. I had a confirmed scum check. You KNOW someone is scum, 100%. But town is in an okay spot and doesn't NEED a scum lynch D2 to survive, and you think one of the top lynch candidates looks scum + is being defended by the guy you know is scum + the guy you know is scum is attacking the only other candidate. Do you think it's actually ridiculous to try and milk information out of scum in that situation? I want Sandro to take stances, to give thoughts (you'll note there isn't very much of that beyond the lynch post we all (including me) kind of liked). I'd like to be able to look back after lynching him D3, and maybe finding another scum N2, to be able to try and get some associative juju going.
Yes, it is ridiculous. If you have a scum check on someone, you push that as hard as you can. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, and you start looking for associations from the people keeping it from working.
You do NOT, under any circumstances, think that that person would be shot by mafia. What's your explanation for that, since you dodged that part of my argument?
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yeah....idk this is weird.
Do you notice the disconnect from the opening lines of bh's thing right to the marv claim?
There's a bunch of shit missing in there.
Idk though that's a lot to fake.....
off the top of my head I'd say lynch sandroba and see where that gets us with your claim austin
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Xata
I would like some insight
Why would austin claim and say he knows sandro is scum and he is watcher if scum?
He's watcher and sandro scum - he wants to make sure we lynch mafia
He's scum and sandro scum - bus sandro for town cred
he's scum and sandro town - get a mislynch and a 1 for 1 trade
point 3 is just dumb
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On December 06 2012 08:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:09 austinmcc wrote:On December 06 2012 08:06 Keirathi wrote:So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL? AND said this: On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter. + Show Spoiler [dota] +What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost. This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so. Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities) (1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike. (2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks: On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1. I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him? Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of. You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum? No deal. ##Vote: austinmcc Yup. I had a confirmed scum check. You KNOW someone is scum, 100%. But town is in an okay spot and doesn't NEED a scum lynch D2 to survive, and you think one of the top lynch candidates looks scum + is being defended by the guy you know is scum + the guy you know is scum is attacking the only other candidate. Do you think it's actually ridiculous to try and milk information out of scum in that situation? I want Sandro to take stances, to give thoughts (you'll note there isn't very much of that beyond the lynch post we all (including me) kind of liked). I'd like to be able to look back after lynching him D3, and maybe finding another scum N2, to be able to try and get some associative juju going. Yes, it is ridiculous. If you have a scum check on someone, you push that as hard as you can. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, and you start looking for associations from the people keeping it from working. You do NOT, under any circumstances, think that that person would be shot by mafia. What's your explanation for that, since you dodged that part of my argument?
That part, Senor Keirathi, is absolutely not true?
What do you do as a cop or someone with a red check on scum most of the time? You make a case on them, you push them. Heck, that's one way you're supposed to confirm cop claims, look for sudden changes in reads that aren't really explained, but that the guy is suddenly sure of after a night.
We all know this, Sandroba knows this. If I'm going to be retarded and sneaky, I can't come out and go "I NOW THINK SANDROBA IS SCUM. BECAUSE...WELL HE HASN'T BEEN POSTING TOO MUCH SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO GO ON BUT HE'S TOTES SCUM NOW" then, even if I convince town, I out myself completely. I was hoping to be able to get another check off, maybe catch someone else, and hoping to keep a low profile so Sandroba wouldn't suspect anything and would respond.
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So, the way I see it, if we lynch sandro, we get a scum no matter what
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Absolutely not true in the sense that no, I don't think scum is going to shoot scumSandroba.
But if I'm trying to get him to actually speak openly, it felt like something fun to throw in. Gives a reason for him to need to speak up if he wants to look town.
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On December 06 2012 08:22 debears wrote:
Xata
I would like some insight
Why would austin claim and say he knows sandro is scum and he is watcher if scum?
He's watcher and sandro scum - he wants to make sure we lynch mafia
He's scum and sandro scum - bus sandro for town cred
he's scum and sandro town - get a mislynch and a 1 for 1 trade
point 3 is just dumb
The situation is desperate for Mafia right now. We have several confirmed townies and several high townreads among the players. It's going to be very difficult to get a mislynch through traditional means. This could well be just a (risky) move to trade one for one, which is a good trade in this situation. It buys time to kill 2 confirmed townies and turn this into a more manageable situation.
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On December 06 2012 08:23 debears wrote:
So, the way I see it, if we lynch sandro, we get a scum no matter what
Are you honestly convinced by austin's claim? And are you okay with us losing 2 confirmed townies if we mislynch Sandroba? I don't know why you're so indifferent towards this lynch.
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On December 06 2012 08:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:23 debears wrote:
So, the way I see it, if we lynch sandro, we get a scum no matter what Are you honestly convinced by austin's claim? And are you okay with us losing 2 confirmed townies if we mislynch Sandroba? I don't know why you're so indifferent towards this lynch.
Might I add: 2 confirmed townies + 1 non-confirmed town for 1 scum. That's a REALLY bad trade...!!!
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Xatalos I have a sneaking suspicion you might be scum too 
Yes, I could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get you to lynch Sandroba in order to buy time for me to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA.
Of course, you could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get people to lynch me in order to buy time for you to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA.
I don't know about anyone else, and I only called it peculiar at the time, but this post felt INCREDIBLY constructed and worked-on, compared to a lot of the thread. It yelled I'M A SCUM POST. I'M A SCUM POST. to me when I first read it. + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 06:16 Xatalos wrote:I'm starting to believe more and more that all of the claims so far have been real. There are some strong points to be made for all of them: 1) If DYH was SK, it would be an almost impossible stroke of luck that he claimed Vigi at such a time when it couldn't have realistically saved him anymore - although it managed to somehow save him anyway. And even if he still somehow was SK, it's a fact that there are still Mafia alive, so it's beyond stupid IMO to lynch a nearly confirmed Vigi while letting Mafia freely continue killing. 2) Keirathi was WBG's Mason partner, and unless this is some really cruel joke of a setup by the host, Keirathi must be town. Granted, it's "paranoia" Mafia, but lynching a confirmed Mason would be too stupid (realistically just doing Mafia's work for them). 3) BH/MrZentor would have been extremely stupid to fakeclaim just to ensure one mislynch at the cost of certainly losing the game eventually. Think about it: we now know that they are both town or both Mafia. If one of them would flip Mafia (lynch/SK kill/whatever), it would be GG right there and then. It's an extremely disadvantegeous position to put yourself into without any real gain. It's also most likely that one of them will be nightkilled before LYLO, which would confirm the other. It would make absolutely zero sense to lynch either of them. That means we have pretty much half the players as confirmed town, which is a great spot. I'm worried about what roles Mafia might have, though (or if they might have 4 players) considering the strong roles town has. But now it's basically just a process of elimination to figure out the remaining Mafia. Realistically DYH, Keirathi, BH and MrZentor are out of the picture. I'm also leaning town on debears, sandroba, austinmcc and Lazermonkey. That just leaves... ShiaoPi. What?? There's just no way there would be only 2 Mafia in a setup this stacked with blue roles. I feel like our only sensible option is to lynch ShiaoPi tomorrow, and in hindsight I feel it might have been better to lynch him today instead of WBG. Although WBG's flip at least (practically) confirmed Keirathi and the reality of this setup having tons of blues, so it's not too bad. I started suspecting this earlier and it's still on the back of my mind, although it ONLY makes sense if ShiaoPi is indeed Mafia. I mean austinmcc's weird behavior towards ShiaoPi. Let me show you some posts of his: Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 23:50 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:
Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. On December 04 2012 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:On December 04 2012 22:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:34 Xatalos wrote:
On the other hand, if ShiaoPi happened to flip town, it would mean some of my reads were seriously wrong. I think I'll have to reread several filters with the mindset that ShiaoPi would actually be town. I'm not seeing it right now, but it's a possibility after all. Don't worry, he's not going to flip town. I've played with town ShiaoPi and scum ShiaoPi. This ShiaoPi is the latter. Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. That game was a long time ago and I was also in a different timezone, much more fitting for playing with EU/NA. Just saying you should not take that game as a basis for meta, go for more recent games such as Liquid City or LVI and LVII Xatalos, I would suggest looking at... LVII at least. I remember having the same feeling about ShiaoPi there that I did D1 here. He turned out to be town. It doesn't make him town here, but ... I've seen town ShiaoPi be relatively uninvested early compared to his play in that newbie game. It somehow looks like austinmcc is reluctant to talk about ShiaoPi. He rarely even mentions ShiaoPi, let alone asks him anything or interacts with him. When he does mention ShiaoPi, it's like this post (soft defending him without really committing to anything). In my mind it's way more scummy to make vague defenses for Mafia players than to directly defend them or to at least openly analyze them (granted, we don't know ShiaoPi's flip at this point). Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:28 austinmcc wrote:On December 06 2012 02:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay I must admit that I came back to the thread this late, because I fully expected to be lynched by all of your for stupid reasons. Well first off I am pleasantly surprised to be still alive, secondly how the heck was bugs town?!?!?! and finally WTF!!!! is this setup, 4 claimed mason, a dt and a vig. Dunno it is a lot to comprehend at once and I am way too tired to do some critical thinking now. I will look into the whole mason mess more closely tomorrow. Can't figure out what to make of ShiaoPi. If he were scum, then scum was under pressure yesterday to get votes on WBG and we can maybe get something out of that. If he's not scum...come on man. We need more analysis from you regardless, but also you've got a lot of people on you and you don't seem very worried. Pleasantly surprised to be alive...how is that your reaction to nearly being lynched? How is your reaction just "Ok, cool. I'm alive, this is good, wow some interesting stuff sure happened there, be back maybe before the end of night or perhaps just D3." I don't expect LVII(i think that's correct) end-of-game antics from you, but...it would be nice if we had more to work off of with you. You're posting very infrequently, often just to say that you'll be gone some more. That doesn't give us anything to work with, and it starts to look like you're just stalling and trying to keep from getting lynched for another day or so. Once again some more vague comments on ShiaoPi after the WBG lynch, although this time apparently willing to lynch him. I can't help but feel like austinmcc has realized that his scumbuddy is most likely being lynched tomorrow, and that this post is the start for preparations to convincingly bus him and get some towncred. There's also a stark difference between austinmcc's lenient attitude towards ShiaoPi's scummy points and his way of finding the smallest things about WBG as scummy. This is just an intro, and not really a convincing case without knowing ShiaoPi's alignment at all, but considering my scumread on ShiaoPi and the lack of other suspects, I'll have to drop my townread on austinmcc and read through his filter looking for possible Mafia motivations later.
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Especially if there are 4 scum, which might well be possible, considering the high amount of blues.
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On December 06 2012 08:34 austinmcc wrote:Xatalos I have a sneaking suspicion you might be scum too Yes, I could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get you to lynch Sandroba in order to buy time for me to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA. Of course, you could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get people to lynch me in order to buy time for you to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA. I don't know about anyone else, and I only called it peculiar at the time, but this post felt INCREDIBLY constructed and worked-on, compared to a lot of the thread. It yelled I'M A SCUM POST. I'M A SCUM POST. to me when I first read it. + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 06:16 Xatalos wrote:I'm starting to believe more and more that all of the claims so far have been real. There are some strong points to be made for all of them: 1) If DYH was SK, it would be an almost impossible stroke of luck that he claimed Vigi at such a time when it couldn't have realistically saved him anymore - although it managed to somehow save him anyway. And even if he still somehow was SK, it's a fact that there are still Mafia alive, so it's beyond stupid IMO to lynch a nearly confirmed Vigi while letting Mafia freely continue killing. 2) Keirathi was WBG's Mason partner, and unless this is some really cruel joke of a setup by the host, Keirathi must be town. Granted, it's "paranoia" Mafia, but lynching a confirmed Mason would be too stupid (realistically just doing Mafia's work for them). 3) BH/MrZentor would have been extremely stupid to fakeclaim just to ensure one mislynch at the cost of certainly losing the game eventually. Think about it: we now know that they are both town or both Mafia. If one of them would flip Mafia (lynch/SK kill/whatever), it would be GG right there and then. It's an extremely disadvantegeous position to put yourself into without any real gain. It's also most likely that one of them will be nightkilled before LYLO, which would confirm the other. It would make absolutely zero sense to lynch either of them. That means we have pretty much half the players as confirmed town, which is a great spot. I'm worried about what roles Mafia might have, though (or if they might have 4 players) considering the strong roles town has. But now it's basically just a process of elimination to figure out the remaining Mafia. Realistically DYH, Keirathi, BH and MrZentor are out of the picture. I'm also leaning town on debears, sandroba, austinmcc and Lazermonkey. That just leaves... ShiaoPi. What?? There's just no way there would be only 2 Mafia in a setup this stacked with blue roles. I feel like our only sensible option is to lynch ShiaoPi tomorrow, and in hindsight I feel it might have been better to lynch him today instead of WBG. Although WBG's flip at least (practically) confirmed Keirathi and the reality of this setup having tons of blues, so it's not too bad. I started suspecting this earlier and it's still on the back of my mind, although it ONLY makes sense if ShiaoPi is indeed Mafia. I mean austinmcc's weird behavior towards ShiaoPi. Let me show you some posts of his: Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 23:50 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:
Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. On December 04 2012 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:On December 04 2012 22:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:34 Xatalos wrote:
On the other hand, if ShiaoPi happened to flip town, it would mean some of my reads were seriously wrong. I think I'll have to reread several filters with the mindset that ShiaoPi would actually be town. I'm not seeing it right now, but it's a possibility after all. Don't worry, he's not going to flip town. I've played with town ShiaoPi and scum ShiaoPi. This ShiaoPi is the latter. Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. That game was a long time ago and I was also in a different timezone, much more fitting for playing with EU/NA. Just saying you should not take that game as a basis for meta, go for more recent games such as Liquid City or LVI and LVII Xatalos, I would suggest looking at... LVII at least. I remember having the same feeling about ShiaoPi there that I did D1 here. He turned out to be town. It doesn't make him town here, but ... I've seen town ShiaoPi be relatively uninvested early compared to his play in that newbie game. It somehow looks like austinmcc is reluctant to talk about ShiaoPi. He rarely even mentions ShiaoPi, let alone asks him anything or interacts with him. When he does mention ShiaoPi, it's like this post (soft defending him without really committing to anything). In my mind it's way more scummy to make vague defenses for Mafia players than to directly defend them or to at least openly analyze them (granted, we don't know ShiaoPi's flip at this point). Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:28 austinmcc wrote:On December 06 2012 02:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay I must admit that I came back to the thread this late, because I fully expected to be lynched by all of your for stupid reasons. Well first off I am pleasantly surprised to be still alive, secondly how the heck was bugs town?!?!?! and finally WTF!!!! is this setup, 4 claimed mason, a dt and a vig. Dunno it is a lot to comprehend at once and I am way too tired to do some critical thinking now. I will look into the whole mason mess more closely tomorrow. Can't figure out what to make of ShiaoPi. If he were scum, then scum was under pressure yesterday to get votes on WBG and we can maybe get something out of that. If he's not scum...come on man. We need more analysis from you regardless, but also you've got a lot of people on you and you don't seem very worried. Pleasantly surprised to be alive...how is that your reaction to nearly being lynched? How is your reaction just "Ok, cool. I'm alive, this is good, wow some interesting stuff sure happened there, be back maybe before the end of night or perhaps just D3." I don't expect LVII(i think that's correct) end-of-game antics from you, but...it would be nice if we had more to work off of with you. You're posting very infrequently, often just to say that you'll be gone some more. That doesn't give us anything to work with, and it starts to look like you're just stalling and trying to keep from getting lynched for another day or so. Once again some more vague comments on ShiaoPi after the WBG lynch, although this time apparently willing to lynch him. I can't help but feel like austinmcc has realized that his scumbuddy is most likely being lynched tomorrow, and that this post is the start for preparations to convincingly bus him and get some towncred. There's also a stark difference between austinmcc's lenient attitude towards ShiaoPi's scummy points and his way of finding the smallest things about WBG as scummy. This is just an intro, and not really a convincing case without knowing ShiaoPi's alignment at all, but considering my scumread on ShiaoPi and the lack of other suspects, I'll have to drop my townread on austinmcc and read through his filter looking for possible Mafia motivations later.
Wut? Is that post supposed to be a joke or something? If so, I'd appreciate if you actually tried to convince the thread you're telling the truth. Like... Any breadcrumbs? Role PM? Anything?
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Although you being scum makes the interactions between you/ShiaoPi and sandroba/ShiaoPi all the weirder. Are you BOTH bussing him? I guess then you bus him, use that post to say it implicates me, then get me lynched while trying to get a little cred for lynching ShiaoPi?
Curious. All I know for sure right now, is that Sandroba is scum. If you think I'm so scummy, why is Sandroba townie? I notice in that post you say "you're leaning town" on Sandroba, but you don't give any further reasoning. See posts like these:
D1 - Xatalos thinks Dandel Ion is scummy
On December 02 2012 01:14 Xatalos wrote:What I'm most concerned about are these players: VisceraEyes, DoYouHas, Dandel Ion. They all have been pretty passive background characters who are not lurking/trolling/playing bad, but not really doing anything either. I think there's a high chance for 1-2 of them being Mafia. [Stuff on VE] Dandel Ion hasn't put any real effort into his posts yet. He's just made some fluff one-liners and semi-useful "advice" like these: Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
I mean, I agree that Lazermonkey is being overeager with calling you out like that, but Xatalos already answered you. What information do you expect to gain by asking the same thing again? Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 14:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's a themed game. Please tell me you're not gonna start a setup speculation.
Just quickly skimmed the thread, do ya still want me to explain how, when and how well I read guides, or did you realize that it was a silly question in the first place yet? Dandel Ion doesn't just seem to care about Mafia hunting, even though he has posted a decent amount and with semi-useful content as well. I'd need to see some real improvement in his posting to make my suspicions fade. Sharing some reads or anything beneficial to finding Mafia would be a good start.
On December 02 2012 02:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 01:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you? VisceraEyes at the moment. DoYouHas and Dandel Ion haven't made any actual effort to contribute, but they haven't done anything outright scummy either. I'm most suspicious of VE's opportunistic vote for debears and his lack of interest to do pretty much anything useful after that. On December 02 2012 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
If any of VE/DYH/Dandel can't be lynched tonight, at least it's a perfect opportunity to make some pressure. I'll change my target from VE if needed before the deadline.
3 posts, VE and Dandel Ion so scummy. Let's lynch em. Let's lynch em.
N1/D2 - Dandel Ion now Sandroba, Sandroba suddenly townie for no real reason
On December 03 2012 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Of my other original suspects VE was obviously Mafia and DYH is now confirmed town, and Dandel Ion was replaced by sandroba (who feels townish so far) so I'm not willing to lynch other players at this moment.
On December 03 2012 22:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 21:38 sandroba wrote:
Hmm Bugs does have a point. Also if we assume BH is town ShiaoPi does fit the same theme as VE yesterday. A totally unimpactful player that just stood by the sidelines, because their team was never in danger. I'm willing to roll with that because I'm getting cold feet about BH flipping scum (VE mentioning he is okay with lynching him/zealos should at least make us consider looking in another direction) and Shiao isn't doing shit so it's less risk involved.
##Vote: ShiaoPi Hmm. Alright, I can agree with lynching ShiaoPi today. It also helps that I have a town read on both you and WBG. And ShiaoPi hasn't been lurking quite as heavily as Zealos, but he hasn't done anything either. ##Unvote
##Vote ShiaoPiAlthough I'm wondering where Zealos has disappeared. And Lazermonkey. What we need now is more posts by several players who haven't done anything for a while (or even all game). On December 04 2012 04:36 Xatalos wrote:
I'm willing to give Dandel/Sandroba a pass though, since Dandel didn't interact with pretty much anyone and Sandroba has been very helpful with his posts. On December 06 2012 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
Realistically DYH, Keirathi, BH and MrZentor are out of the picture. I'm also leaning town on debears, sandroba, austinmcc and Lazermonkey.
Would you care to explain why Sandroba is townie?
Would you care to explain why DI was one of your top scum suspects D1, but D2 it's "Dandel didn't interact with pretty much anyone and Sandroba has been helpful with his posts" so they get a pass? It's curious to me that one of your top 3 scumreads became a guy you think is townie but you never actually said why.
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On December 06 2012 08:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:34 austinmcc wrote:Xatalos I have a sneaking suspicion you might be scum too Yes, I could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get you to lynch Sandroba in order to buy time for me to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA. Of course, you could be mean old nasty scum, just trying to get people to lynch me in order to buy time for you to NK townies. MWAHAHAHAHA. I don't know about anyone else, and I only called it peculiar at the time, but this post felt INCREDIBLY constructed and worked-on, compared to a lot of the thread. It yelled I'M A SCUM POST. I'M A SCUM POST. to me when I first read it. + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 06:16 Xatalos wrote:I'm starting to believe more and more that all of the claims so far have been real. There are some strong points to be made for all of them: 1) If DYH was SK, it would be an almost impossible stroke of luck that he claimed Vigi at such a time when it couldn't have realistically saved him anymore - although it managed to somehow save him anyway. And even if he still somehow was SK, it's a fact that there are still Mafia alive, so it's beyond stupid IMO to lynch a nearly confirmed Vigi while letting Mafia freely continue killing. 2) Keirathi was WBG's Mason partner, and unless this is some really cruel joke of a setup by the host, Keirathi must be town. Granted, it's "paranoia" Mafia, but lynching a confirmed Mason would be too stupid (realistically just doing Mafia's work for them). 3) BH/MrZentor would have been extremely stupid to fakeclaim just to ensure one mislynch at the cost of certainly losing the game eventually. Think about it: we now know that they are both town or both Mafia. If one of them would flip Mafia (lynch/SK kill/whatever), it would be GG right there and then. It's an extremely disadvantegeous position to put yourself into without any real gain. It's also most likely that one of them will be nightkilled before LYLO, which would confirm the other. It would make absolutely zero sense to lynch either of them. That means we have pretty much half the players as confirmed town, which is a great spot. I'm worried about what roles Mafia might have, though (or if they might have 4 players) considering the strong roles town has. But now it's basically just a process of elimination to figure out the remaining Mafia. Realistically DYH, Keirathi, BH and MrZentor are out of the picture. I'm also leaning town on debears, sandroba, austinmcc and Lazermonkey. That just leaves... ShiaoPi. What?? There's just no way there would be only 2 Mafia in a setup this stacked with blue roles. I feel like our only sensible option is to lynch ShiaoPi tomorrow, and in hindsight I feel it might have been better to lynch him today instead of WBG. Although WBG's flip at least (practically) confirmed Keirathi and the reality of this setup having tons of blues, so it's not too bad. I started suspecting this earlier and it's still on the back of my mind, although it ONLY makes sense if ShiaoPi is indeed Mafia. I mean austinmcc's weird behavior towards ShiaoPi. Let me show you some posts of his: Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 23:50 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:
Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. On December 04 2012 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:On December 04 2012 22:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 22:34 Xatalos wrote:
On the other hand, if ShiaoPi happened to flip town, it would mean some of my reads were seriously wrong. I think I'll have to reread several filters with the mindset that ShiaoPi would actually be town. I'm not seeing it right now, but it's a possibility after all. Don't worry, he's not going to flip town. I've played with town ShiaoPi and scum ShiaoPi. This ShiaoPi is the latter. Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon. That game was a long time ago and I was also in a different timezone, much more fitting for playing with EU/NA. Just saying you should not take that game as a basis for meta, go for more recent games such as Liquid City or LVI and LVII Xatalos, I would suggest looking at... LVII at least. I remember having the same feeling about ShiaoPi there that I did D1 here. He turned out to be town. It doesn't make him town here, but ... I've seen town ShiaoPi be relatively uninvested early compared to his play in that newbie game. It somehow looks like austinmcc is reluctant to talk about ShiaoPi. He rarely even mentions ShiaoPi, let alone asks him anything or interacts with him. When he does mention ShiaoPi, it's like this post (soft defending him without really committing to anything). In my mind it's way more scummy to make vague defenses for Mafia players than to directly defend them or to at least openly analyze them (granted, we don't know ShiaoPi's flip at this point). Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:28 austinmcc wrote:On December 06 2012 02:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay I must admit that I came back to the thread this late, because I fully expected to be lynched by all of your for stupid reasons. Well first off I am pleasantly surprised to be still alive, secondly how the heck was bugs town?!?!?! and finally WTF!!!! is this setup, 4 claimed mason, a dt and a vig. Dunno it is a lot to comprehend at once and I am way too tired to do some critical thinking now. I will look into the whole mason mess more closely tomorrow. Can't figure out what to make of ShiaoPi. If he were scum, then scum was under pressure yesterday to get votes on WBG and we can maybe get something out of that. If he's not scum...come on man. We need more analysis from you regardless, but also you've got a lot of people on you and you don't seem very worried. Pleasantly surprised to be alive...how is that your reaction to nearly being lynched? How is your reaction just "Ok, cool. I'm alive, this is good, wow some interesting stuff sure happened there, be back maybe before the end of night or perhaps just D3." I don't expect LVII(i think that's correct) end-of-game antics from you, but...it would be nice if we had more to work off of with you. You're posting very infrequently, often just to say that you'll be gone some more. That doesn't give us anything to work with, and it starts to look like you're just stalling and trying to keep from getting lynched for another day or so. Once again some more vague comments on ShiaoPi after the WBG lynch, although this time apparently willing to lynch him. I can't help but feel like austinmcc has realized that his scumbuddy is most likely being lynched tomorrow, and that this post is the start for preparations to convincingly bus him and get some towncred. There's also a stark difference between austinmcc's lenient attitude towards ShiaoPi's scummy points and his way of finding the smallest things about WBG as scummy. This is just an intro, and not really a convincing case without knowing ShiaoPi's alignment at all, but considering my scumread on ShiaoPi and the lack of other suspects, I'll have to drop my townread on austinmcc and read through his filter looking for possible Mafia motivations later. Wut? Is that post supposed to be a joke or something? If so, I'd appreciate if you actually tried to convince the thread you're telling the truth. Like... Any breadcrumbs? Role PM? Anything?
Breadcrumbs can be faked np. Same as with a breadcrumb, if you believe my claim, you may find that it explains some of my ShiaoPi v. WBG actions, and explains me trying to milk info from Sandroba. If you don't, you'll think I'm making it up, whether breadcrumb or explanation.
The "anything" that I can PROVE my role with would be nothing, unless we have a rolecop. However, Sandro will flip red whenever you lynch him. And I'll flip watcher if I die.
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