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On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote: It's no more silly than a pressure vote off the bat in a normal setup  How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town. You would paint me as useless before I even arrive to the thread? I'd like to hear your reasons, if you have them, or are you just discrediting people at random? | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:56 Acrofales wrote: I've played with you in 2 or 3 games (can't remember if you were in SSM atm) and you were completely inactive in all of them. So... yes, I have a reason: you sign up and then maybe, if we get lucky, get the 1 post a day that is the minimum requirement to play. Prove me wrong and I will be a happy man! Mhmm I recall the games you are speaking about. I signed up to Holy Roman mafia under the impression that trolling was not only acceptable, it was encouraged. Real life got in the way of TL LVI. Unfortunate that that is the impression you have of me, as I think my other games speak far better of my play. You can expect better this game. Right now, I like what Kitaman is saying. He is the person I am leaning towards electing party leader. Emphasis on 'towniness' over everything else as it is all that matters for these missions, not how useful a player is. If not him, then Keirathi. Looks exactly the same as he did in Who's Line Is It Anyway. | ||
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On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote: Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting. The issue with forcing people to scumhunt is we have no real way of checking if they're right other than sending the scummy people on a mission and watching it fail, which is not optimal. Apparently, this game is going to play much like the Resistance games - find townies. Eventually, the scum will be forced to disagree with the selected team if it contains no scum, which is where they'll have to display scummy logic to back up their disagreement and that's where we catch them. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote: Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:21 Djodref wrote: @ Adam I absolutely want to have a town player as the party leader. That's why I proposed myself for the job. But I think it could be a valid strategy to not reveal the other party members before the resolution of the event. Town cannnot know for sure who you are going to pick anyway and you don't give extra info to the mafia. What do you think ? I want to have a town player leading this as well. I'd like that person to be transparent and give that information to the rest of us about who is going on the mission with him. It will help me better gauge what the leader is thinking (and if he is indeed town), plus the reactions other players have to the selected party will also assist me in making reads. On November 21 2012 21:21 syllogism wrote: Adam so far you haven't expressed a very few opinions or said anything otherwise helpful. You say Keirathi might be your number two choice for the party leader. Do you have confidence in his ability to choose 3 townies today? You also assert that there is no way of checking if mafia reads are right other than sending them on a mission; is this your honest assessment of how you expect the game to work? I have moderate confidence in his ability to choose three townies today, if he's town. In Who's Line Is It Anyway, he displayed a decent ability to understand logic, listen to reason and vote accordingly. I get the same feel from him here that I got on entering that game, so until he gives me a reason to think otherwise, Ill trust him again. Maybe this would not make him the best team leader, but I would have no issue with him being a part of the team that goes. In regards to my comments on the setup, I had only briefly read over the OP, saw it was predominately leader-select setup and assumed that this would play out similar to Resistance. From that, I overlooked that night actions will provide us with decent flip information, as clarity has already pointed out to me. So to directly answer your question, at the time that was my honest assessment of how the game would play out, but I was wrong, and will adjust accordingly. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote: There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants. I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision? Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum? | ||
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I am trying to grasp if he is taking this game seriously when he delivers a list of 'reads' with as lousy reasoning as he did. I've seen him play well as both scum and town, and this doesn't look similar to either. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:51 phagga wrote: Can you please elaborate a bit more what it is exactly that you like? Why yes, I can. I agree that it looks like sandroba is phoning it in. He seems to be genuinely interested in figuring this game out. I like that he is not entirely confident in his reads at this point, because I'd be less inclined to vote someone claiming to have it 'all figured out' considering what's been put into the thread in the last 24 hours. I like that he's trying to figure out the mafia's strategy, even if I do consider that futile. I consider it more likely from a townie, rather than mafia faking it. | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:02 kitaman27 wrote: Well it wouldn't be a new leaf. I'm saying its something I've seen before playing mafia with him. The reason that I'm bringing it up is that I don't buy into so many people voting for him because he is simply easy to read. I'm not willing to call him scum yet, but I'm willing to say he isn't in my top 10 of people to choose from. You say that you are not willing to call them scum yet, then what is the deal with this post: link I am perplexed by this post. You go on to say further that it was 'hardly a joke campaign', so... what was the point of it? | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote: Another player that's come up as scum to me is Adam4167. He has an extremely low post count. This alone doesn't kill anyone of course, but his posts seem to me like just someone trying to fake a contribution. His reasoning for voting sandroba is just... contrived: Like, how does he like that he's not entirely confident in how sandroba is posting? The guy gives more arguments to who he wants to not vote rather to the guy he's voting. It feels like he is just voting for syllo due to some other agenda rather than his own. He says he's not gonna vote for someone claiming to have it "all figured out" as a pretext of not voting for sand, which firstly doesn't make sense to me, and secondly, if anyone has given me an impression to have it all figured out, it's syllo. Syllo seems extremely confident in his shallow "scum might attempt to sabotage my party" argument and to me it feels a bit unnatural. (syllo's post I'm referring might have been made later than Adam's, I'm lazy to check this out.) But the main point is: Why doesn't Adam comment on the person he's voting, rather on the person he's NOT voting, especially when asked by phagga on his vote on sylla? This makes 0 sense to me from a town perspective. His next post on kita seems to me like the definition of scum trying to blend in: New scum, that is. I mean, isn't it kind of obvious the point of the campaign was to.. make his case on why he's a better candidate? He's pretty much echoing suspicion from hapa, only to go ahead and disappear. Pretty much fits the bill of a lurking scum. Your case is just bad. I am not new, I have been part of this community for over a year - I took a couple months off to sort out some personal issues. I always have a lower post count then most, due to time zone conflicts and a seething hatred of people posting complete garbage in the thread, forcing me to read 15-30 page filters later in the game. The first quote of mine you've highlighted is not why i'm voting for sandroba, as you've titled it, its why im voting for syllogism. You don't seem to fully understand what it is i'm saying, as you cant seem to figure out if im voting for sandroba or syllo. I AM happy that syllo seems to be having an issue discerning solid reads because I am having that issue also, it shows that he has a similar mindset to mine and as a result, probably the same alignment. 'Why doesnt Adam comment on the person hes voting for, rather than the person hes not voting for'. I havent mentioned sandroba bar this one comment 'I agree that it looks like sandroba is phoning it in', a comment syllo made and I agree with, hence partly why he is getting my vote. In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. Go back, reread the entire exchange, and try to word your case so that it actually makes sense so I can try to understand exactly what you are saying. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote: I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I bring it up because it was used as evidence against me in a case. For what its worth, I still have no idea what your goal is. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:28 Z-BosoN wrote: When I made my case I thought you were new here, and your play seemed to me exactly how someone new would have played. I found the part I emphasized pretty clear though. Someone asked why you were voting for syllogism. Then you make an explanation based on other people, whilst saying nothing about syllogism. At least this was what I understood. I now see that I just misinterpreted your post. Since I don't know what "phoning it in" means, I assumed that was something good, because later you said "he" (i.e sandroba) seems to be geuinely interested in figuring things out. Anyways, now that you have manifested yourself, do you agree with the sandroba wagon? I said earlier that I feel people would correctly identify him as scum, but when I said that I meant people who have actually played with him, not newer players who have never seen him play. For all intents and purposes, everyone on that wagon should be considered town, at least for now. I don't get why syllo's success makes sand scum. So, @Syllogism, do you think sandroba's play is him being scum? He started out pretty good imo, but his absence here is not cool at all. Phone it in Each one of those dot points was aimed at syllo, not sandroba, except the first one, because I was agreeing with syllogisms' view of sandroba - so the 'he' was syllogism. Anyway, moving on. I have no issue lynching Sandroba. I've played with sandroba 3-4 times now, moreso when hes scum then when hes town. Looks like his usual 'don't-give-a-shit' scum game. ##vote sandroba | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission. At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? Why only those two? I see no reason not to trust all four of the people on that mission. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote: @Clarity I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along  In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ One way or another, syllogism just picked a winning team. I don't see a conspiracy here, as long as he keeps doing what hes doing, he'll keep getting my vote to keep picking his team. | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:26 Djodref wrote: @Toad That's a good point. But would you say that syllo is now confirmed town ? My point was made to show Clarity that we shouldn't consider syllo as totally confirmed yet. Of course, he is more likely to be town than anything else but not 100% confirmed imho. I didn't totally think at all the implications of my point. No one is confirmed town until they're dead. There is just balance of probability. Right now I choose to believe that syllo and his team are probably town. | ||
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On November 23 2012 22:16 marvellosity wrote: I'd really like to hear more from kita and syllo in particular on sandroba. sandroba is on the borderline for me, I've seen him less interested than this by far as scum and way more interested as town. Apart from that, Bio's done nothing to make me think him town. goodkarma's posts seem really constructed and to me he feels really detached, despite his long posts. But he does have quite a bit of content. Anyone have any thoughts on him? Djo, I'll have to re-read your case to see if there's any merit in it, I've been feeling TheChronicler as town for most of the game. I don't really recall too many of goodkarma's posts thus far.. Ill take a look at his filter over my midnight snack. | ||
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On November 23 2012 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Heavily like phagga is scum? Do you think that his other 2 candidates fit his criteria of semi-lurky and scumhunty? Because thats what I feel is odd. No, the other two names he put forward don't fit the lurker criteria, at least not in my opinion. Odd yes, something you'll have to ask him. I don't find anything off about Phagga's play to support your theory though. He looks to be genuinely invested in trying to figure people out, and not afraid to question people to further his read on them (like myself). | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Yeah, my 'don't-give-a-shit' sandroba comment had nothing to do with his level of activity, as I don't consider that to be the issue. What it comes down to is his drive and attitude when he is here. In this game, he says clarity 'smells funny', later saying that he had him as scum - yet he backs off this read as soon as his reasoning is questioned on the matter, moving him back to 'torn' or undecided. He does similar in the last game that I played with him when he rolled scum: Wiggles Mini Mafia II - sandroba filter He attacks pandain with some shoddy reasoning - 'bad thread entry - didn't further discussion' and Palmar got up in his face. He then backs down from this read with the reasoning of 'pandains' comments on the watcher made him reconsider'. Now compare that to his town play in looney lynching mafia. He sees da0ud enter the thread, finds it suspicious, questions him, decides he is still an enigma, questions him again, declares he wants da0ud to progress to further rounds of the lynch mechanic. Sandroba has conviction when he is town, he wants to figure you out if he cant initially, so he presses with questions. I don't see that from him this game. | ||
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I do not get that at all from him this game. If he has transformed his scum game to mimic his town game in the space of a couple weeks, without playing scum, ill be very impressed. I look forward to reading this case. | ||
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Are you giving up and waiving the white flag? because that's what it feels like. | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:10 Dienosore wrote: k, if I'm leader, I would take: Oats Clarity Phagga These might change after I do a bit more digging. So far, though, they are the only ones who my maps indicate as not connected with any suspected scum. That team is adequate. Dienosore and Oats were successful on the day 1 mission. Clarity, as I stated previously, was obviously scum when he rolled scum in Newbie Mini XXX. Looks much closer to his Mario Mini play style, where he was town. Add on top of that, he was sandrobas' attempted mislynch. Phagga looks just as townie as the last time I mentioned him. ##Vote: Dienosore | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:53 Hapahauli wrote: I'm a bit skeptical about Phagga, and you haven't mentioned him much in your filter. I'm much more null on him than you are - can you give me the run-down about why he's so townie? I find him townie because of his attitude towards the game and its what was lacking in sandroba's play. He sees something he considers strange, so he questions the person on it to try and gauge what the persons motives are, and hopefully gain some insight into their alignment. Some examples: link1 link2 link3 I find scum rarely do this, as they would rather just pounce on the person without actually giving them a reason to explain their behaviour, just in case the person has a reason for what they're doing, then the scum has to go find someone else to fabricate a case on. This is fake-able as scum, yes, but giving people a chance to explain themselves makes your job much harder. | ||
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"I find scum rarely do this, as they would rather just pounce on the person without actually giving them a chance to explain their behavior, ect" | ||
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Would anyone like my opinion on anything specific? | ||
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On November 25 2012 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm ok then, thanks acro. Ok gonna stop with the setup/role speculation. Hey Adam, who do you think should be the party leader this cycle? As long as both yourself and Dienosore are in the party, I do not care which one of you leads it, as from what I gather you're both committing to the same team. My vote is on Dienosore, can be moved to you if that is the consensus. | ||
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On November 26 2012 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I find it rather sad that I would vigi shot three people if I could: VE, Adam, CJ Any reason other than my post count? | ||
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As long as the people I have scum reads on are being lynched and the people i have town reads on are not, I see no reason to interject. | ||
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I could probably go another 3 days without posting and not miss a great deal. | ||
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I never claimed to not be actively lurking, in fact I think I claimed that I read the thread and choose not to comment, the definition of actively lurking. | ||
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Would you rather I engage in idle setup speculation that is unverifiable? | ||
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On November 27 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote: No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts. If Toad was off the cards for tomorrow, my next scum candidate would be Z-Boson. His case on me was all over the place, which OK, I can understand maybe there was a misunderstanding. But his case on S&B is just non-existent. On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote: Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him? The entire proof, his first paragraph: is that no one could have a strong town read on marv. Then he goes on to talk about Marv. Nothing in this paragraph is even about S&B and why he is likely scum. In the second paragraph "SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game", so Z-BosoN has a meta town read on S&B, yet here this case is anyway, pinning him as scum with no logical reasons to support this suspicion. It feels fabricated and fake, trying to create something out of nothing. The rest of his filter consists of pushing sandroba's candidacy on the basis of 'its easy to tell his town play and scum play apart', yet says multiple times he is unfamiliar with sandrobas' meta. Some more of his posts just read as summaries of what is already happening in the game: link link2 This is who I would lynch if Toad was not an option. | ||
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On November 27 2012 00:35 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Toadesstern :3 I don't know why I laughed out loud at this, but I did. Come on back now, ya hear. Talk to us. | ||
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What could it hurt? | ||
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Seems like a waste of keystrokes to me | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:50 Adam4167 wrote: Clarity, as I stated previously, was obviously scum when he rolled scum in Newbie Mini XXX. Looks much closer to his Mario Mini play style, where he was town. Add on top of that, he was sandrobas' attempted mislynch. These are my thoughts on Clarity from earlier. I wouldn't object to Djordref being in the team, either. | ||
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On November 27 2012 05:53 Z-BosoN wrote: Regarding SnB: Marv gave me no reason to think that he was town, I´ve played quite a few games with him and his game up to that point is not how he plays as town. Yet SnB comes guns-all-blazing saying marv is town. My logical reason for finding him scum is: "how is SnB so confident that marv is town, when there is nothing from his play to support this?". I really can´t see why you view this as "illogical". But I kinda backtracked later in the post because I´ve played once with him being town, and once with him being scum, and to me his meta says a different story than what I was suggesting. Ergo, ask marv, who´s played a ton with him. Also, @marv, is there any game where he was town and pinned you as scum? I´m assuming no, because I don´t believe he can accurately judge your alignment, especially that early in the game. Correct me if I´m wrong. I backed off him because marv confirmed that he is in fact playing with his meta read, and he wouldn´t lie about that either as scum or as town. You say some of my day one posts are just summaries of what is happening in the game, whilst neglecting my entire gameplay ever since that point. I have some "summary" posts, and I have some posts actually trying to figure shit out. This point is insanely weak imo. You, for instance, just narrated my push on sandroba, without specifying why it makes me scum. Your case boils down to: -I cant believe that S&B has a town read on marv. -I find S&B's play this game to look like his town game. Therefore, scum. You cant see why that is illogical? There is literally nothing in your case that even comes close to showing why S&B is scum or has any scum motivation at all. He lurked a bit, threw out a single town read and you're trying to hang him for it. Yes, I do say that some of your posts are summaries and neglect the rest. I am not going to quote every single one of your posts, only the posts that I take an issue with for being padded. The last sentence is deflecting, but ill indulge you. Your repeated campaigning for sandroba to be elected on the basis of him having an easy meta to read, while continually postulating that you have no idea about his meta is completely ass-backwards. If this was one of your main reasons for electing someone as the party leader, why do you claim to not know what you're talking about? It just makes no damn sense from a town perspective, but I can think of one from a scum perspective - an 'out' if sandroba ever flips scum, you can just claim ignorance. | ||
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On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref ##Vote Keirathi | ||
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You're fine by me, Acro. | ||
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On November 28 2012 08:54 iamperfection wrote: really i think i have been playing bad the things in my filter shouldn't make you think i'm town. My claims and damage reports should make you think it. Don't sell yourself short. This post right here is why I consider you town: On November 25 2012 13:16 iamperfection wrote: dino you have my vote if you remove phagga. from besides myself (obiously) i would like you to pick marv he would be my top town read at this point. I think your other picks are great. Lets play the hypothetical logic game. You pushed to have marv included in the Day 3 team, over Phagga. If you are scum and phagga is scum, you just campaigned to have one of your teammates replaced on the team by a (now confirmed) townie - probably not the optimal play. If you are scum and phagga is town, you just traded one townie on the mission for another - why would scum bother? No, I find you town for this action, pushing your better read over an unknown read. I admit I was on the fence about you until marv flipped, but with that knowledge, I happily made you yellow (most probably town) in my spreadsheet. | ||
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On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote: My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now... In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist: 1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out. 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... 3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar... 4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too. 5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party 6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later... 7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter. 8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...). 9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions. 10) Toad - Scum 11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... goodkarma, your suspect 'short list' is actually quite long and rather unfocused. It boils down to a list of null reads besides the confirmed scum and advocating patience. I'm curious, risk.nuke is surprisingly missing from your list. Does this mean you have some kind of solid read on him? Enlighten me as to what that is please. | ||
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Actually point to stuff in his filter, reason it out so I can follow your line of thinking. | ||
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On November 28 2012 08:32 goodkarma wrote: Don't worry about the lurkers. All you can do is encourage them to participate. To: On November 29 2012 02:00 goodkarma wrote: With the exceptions of VE, I stand by the list I made. Strong is not the strong scumread I originally had yesterday, after reconsidering the circumstances, as I stated later yesterday. CaveJohnson and Adam remain at the top of the list for who I'd recommend we shoot. I consider them to be scummy lurkers. In less than 24 hours. I am not 'preoccupied tunneling Z-boson', I have made exactly two posts outlining why I think he is scum. You still haven't given an answer about your read on risk.nuke. | ||
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I agree GK is probably scum, him ignoring my my question on risk.nuke isn't helping that any. | ||
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On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote: Might as well roleclaim now: My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role. Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson. So here's what I propose: 1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage. 2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly. 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized. See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote: So now what? Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing. I say lynch him anyway. ##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. | ||
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On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote: I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault? Being on a failed party, you should inherently expect some level of scrutiny. From that, I would expect you to think "Well, i'm town, Dieno is probably town, Keriathi is probably town, therefore this is Acro's fault and he has a negative modifier." Instead you don't even acknowledge the failed mission until your 5th post after the mission post, when you bring up Acro being 3rd party. This post came 2.5 hours after the mission post, it damn well should have been the very first thing that jumped into your head after seeing that mission result with those 4 players on it. | ||
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##Party Leader: Clarity_nl I am content with any of the previously successful mission-goers going again today, plus Djo and iamp. | ||
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He would be my second choice, what do y'all think. | ||
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On November 30 2012 05:16 Acrofales wrote: I am getting a very marginal town read on GK. It's perfectly possible that between Keir and me the party failed. That makes GK an unfortunate casualty. The way he has been playing is definitely not strong town, and I really want to see him step it up, but I don't get a clear scum vibe from him either. There are, imho, scummier candidates who could serve as the "second" lynch target. GK: please answer the questions all the same. Explaining your thought process can only help you, if you are in fact town. I agree, I find his reaction to all the heat recently does not line up with how I expect a scum to respond. Z-BosoN, on the other hand. His most recent response has done nothing to change my mind. Take a look at his filter next please. I plan to treat his replacement with the same level of mistrust as I have him, we will not have a repeat of Mario MM. | ||
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Anyone with some chrono-trigger knowledge have any idea which way we should go with the Slash battle? What is a triple tech attack, for example. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:29 goodkarma wrote: And by the way: the 50 points of damage to Adam were from my vigi shot. So.... you're damaging your '5th' likely scum read? Your play this game literally boggles my brain. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Further information redacted from Toad's role pm is interesting What I find interesting is that the town is supposed to gain something called the 'Epoch', from Toads role PM. Is it game related or is this something Greymist has come up with? | ||
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I have no outstanding time commitments, how long would it take me to finish, assuming I started right now? | ||
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Fuck it, ill start now. | ||
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Jesus these old games are harsh. Liberal use of save state inc. Has the PM mishap been resolved now, does everyone have their correct night resolution? | ||
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On December 01 2012 12:16 iamperfection wrote: did anyone claim the 200 on austin? That was mine. I'll probably do it again unless he drastically changes the read I had on Z-BosoN. | ||
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Seemed like the right place for it to go. | ||
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Each cycle, I must predict who is going to die in the following cycle. If I am correct, I get a 200hp shot. I get two shots if the prediction is right in the 2300AD time period. Cycle 1 I predicted Syllo to die, unaware that cycle 2 would be a lynch (or I would have chosen sandroba). Incorrect. Cycle 2 I predicted Dienosore to die, due to his HP being low already. Incorrect. Cycle 3 I predicted Toadesstern to die, assuming that cycle 4 was going to be a lynch (it was not). Incorrect. Cycle 4 I predicted Toadesstern to die, along the thinking that we had to get a lynch soon. Correct- Shot Z-BosoN. | ||
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##Slash: A ##Flea: E Anything to contribute thus far Austin? | ||
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Path A looks like it'll fall in both. | ||
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Compared to his scum play in WLIIA, there is a night-and-day difference. In WLIIA, he is cold, almost tense in how he posts. In this game, if he were any more laid-back, he would be horizontal. If the case against S&B amounts to: he has a low post-count and his ability is 'weird', then that's a shit case. Activity is never indicative of alignment and we're in a closed setup GreYMisT game, so every role is going to be a little bit weird. If you honestly believe him to be scum, construct a legitimate case detailing why, otherwise, there are better people to be lynching/vigging, because right now I don't see it. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:24 syllogism wrote: Djodref was. For mafia, being "confirmed" as a townie in this format is worth sacrificing some KP for. Someone (presumably the scum), hammered Dieno for 445 damage on N4. You think they both protected him and dumped what i presume is a majority of their nightly KP into him? | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:43 syllogism wrote: I don't really understand how mafia is supposed to win this game. They don't seem to have enough KP to kill townies faster than we even confirm them. It seems to me they have to do everything they can to be included in the party. Again, I'm trying to make the game make sense in case the mission today fails. I think the success of today's mission will also hinge on the options that we're picking. I think mafia are supposed to be stalling until Lavos arrives, because the odds of them reducing our numbers down to less than 3, or there abouts (assuming there was 5 to start with), is frankly nil. It would have taken like 15+ cycles with the damage we have seen so far. | ||
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At least that's my take on how this game is supposed to play out. | ||
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##Epoch: Future 2300AD time period doubles the damage of my night actions. Ill take a look at Hapa's filter next. | ||
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His initial 'case' on Hapa looks pretty half-hearted and about a third of it is not even about Hapa, nor does it establish mafia motives/intent. His case on GK seemed mostly like a regurgitation of things already previously said. I wouldn't be adverse to hanging him today, but I'd like to hear more from him before I cast that vote. | ||
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Yeah, kill it with fire. ##Vote strongandbig | ||
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On December 03 2012 21:19 syllogism wrote: I think healing is more important than restoring 1-shots. Some unresolved mysteries: - Kita's weird guessing game and the subsequent beanbag game, of which he never talks about again. - Risk's claimed roleblock. Is no one really going to claim this? - Number of mafia. It could be 5 or 6 - Why does Adam want to go to 2300 AD if his only ability is a very unreliable guessing vig? No one else seemed to be putting forward any decent suggestions. That is my only ability. | ||
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On December 03 2012 23:35 Acrofales wrote: Why bother? I was gonna decide which of risk and SnB should be lynched today, but then SnB got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Risk.nuke can go back into lurking for the next 72 hours or so. He might jump back out for the odd omgus when someone calls him out for lurking and non-contributing. My opinion n time travel: lets go somewhere or most townie people get advantages. So far Keir as claimed 600 AD. Adam wants the future, but his ability sounds luck-based. Anybody else get bonuses in a specifc time? Yeah, my ability is fairly lousy with this level of flips. I figured a snowballs chance at 400 damage was more productive than one of 200 damage. That and suggestions like "lets go to the end of time because we got cool stuff there in the game" seemed like wishful thinking. | ||
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On December 04 2012 10:30 austinmcc wrote: As far as people who get something from a specific time we've got...Keirathi with 600 AD; Oatsmaster with 2300 AD; Adam wants 2300 AD as well. I'm down with 600 AD and doing whatever it is Keirathi needs done. Adam seems to want to shoot me (do you still want to? you're less active than me...) so I'd prefer he not get stronger, and Oats said whatever is in 2300 AD for him isn't super duper. My issue with Z-boson was not activity related, he was pushing vig shots with horrendous reasoning. You're making a lot more sense than Z-boson was, so i'm willing to look elsewhere for now. Ill probably blast VE tonight unless he makes a great case as to why I shouldn't. | ||
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On December 04 2012 10:50 austinmcc wrote: I meant that, apart from knowing you want(ed) to shoot me, and wanting to go to 2300 AD to perhaps shoot me harder, I don't know know anything about what you think, because you're less active than the major voices. As are a bunch of people, but none of the others shot me, so I'm more concerned with what you're up to. Check my filter. I have concerns over VE. I thought Z-BosoN was scum and now i'm starting to think he was just incoherent. I thought GK looked pretty bad but I have reservations in the way he reacted to all of the pressure, it didn't feel like a scum reaction. S&B has made me look like an ass for me giving him a 'not scum' read and then going and killing Djodref, so he can die. I seem to have too many town reads at the moment, so ill be chucking most of my reads out over the course of this cycle and starting back at the beginning. | ||
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This is why hope is pushing Austin Right now, my list looks (not-so-surprisingly) like Acros. After reading Hope's case on Z-boson and revisiting my own, I just cant see how that came out of a town player. Anyone that's more familiar with Z-BosoN, is his logic usually sound? Does he usually make decent sense when hes town? Is he at least easy to follow? | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote: Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him? tl;dr I don't get how the hell it is that town can kill people this game (dunno if it's just roles or has something to do with the event). But if you guys have killing roles, go ahead and kill Strongandbig and Adam4167. These are my top two scum reads for now. Phagga has explained himself adequately and his posting seems townie-oriented, not gonna go too balls out on him. I was a bit suspicious of Prom before, but I feel like he's genuinely trying to participate. Strongandbig Adam4167 Bam bam bam Underlining is mine. | ||
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We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead. | ||
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His entire case was "he has a town read on marv". I really don't see how he was getting scummy out of that. Then his next point is that S&B looks like his town meta. I don't see what part of that is scummy either. So how does he get to the conclusion of 'vig S&B, bam bam bam' with those two premises? | ||
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On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: Factions and win conditions At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately. | ||
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On December 05 2012 12:23 iamperfection wrote: 3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation? I don't know how 3rd party are considered, that quote doesn't even mention them, nor does the rest of the OP give anything about them away. | ||
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Acro is probably the 'assassin' hes claiming to be afraid of, what does a survivor need a 1-shot role+alignment check for? Regardless, he has to shoot into the dark now since he spent his check on Toad, so hes not a threat unless hes feeling exceptionally lucky or someone claims the name hes looking for. All of this is irrelevant though, there's still scum out there, evident by lavos' absence. Why the big interest in Acro all of a sudden? | ||
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On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote: I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense. I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off. | ||
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On December 05 2012 15:37 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate. I find it more likely to be some kind of poorly executed bus attempt. I cannot see any way for it to be coming from a town-brain. | ||
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On December 05 2012 16:24 Hapahauli wrote: I went back and tried to read his quote, and I'm reading his comment as far less severe than you are. The relevant line: I think he's saying that SnB's activity and post-count line up with his town meta, and suggesting that his post-count/activity aren't alignment indicative. Then he is finding him scum for other reasons. It checks out to me as OK logic-wise. I'll admit I'm not considering Z-Bo as much as I should, namely because I'm pretty convinced that risk is scum. However given Syllo's 450 damage claim, there's probably another mafia running about, and it could very well be Z-Bo/austin. Austin's recent "I'm thinking about lynching the 3rd party" post is kinda sketchy. His other reasons (his only other reason) was "S&B gave a town read on marv". If someone lurking then giving a town read on marv was grounds for a vig shot in his mind, he should have been up in BioSC's ass as well, as he did the exact same thing. I'm not adverse to seeing risk.nuke die, either. Hes given us close to zero this game, just throwing out the occasional barb on people like Oats. I've been pretty well ignoring him since day 1, as i'm about as likely to get his alignment right as flipping a coin anyway. | ||
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And yeah, the night actions from the scum this game have been all over the place, has literally made my role useless, so bravo guys. | ||
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Even scum withholding the roleblock and having risk.nuke claiming it is a complete stretch, why would they think that anyone would buy him being roleblocked over just about anyone else. | ||
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That aside, who do you want to lynch today? | ||
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Where would scum factional KP reflect to, exactly? Its apparently not roleblockable (as per promethelax claim), so that means its probably directed from a specific party member. Aaaaaaaaand if it can only reflect town KP.... thats not a town ability. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:41 austinmcc wrote: Grabbing lunch, the two people who are particularly curious about the counterattack ability interest me. I specifically did NOT counterattack adam even though I could have, and he's worried about how it interacts with scum KP. Acro I just don't trust, but that's the ability. 300/x damage, where x is the number of players who most recently damaged me. I can't aim it, only know where it's headed if all the damage on me is claimed. Your damn right I want to know how it interacts with scum KP. Because if it doesn't interact with scum KP, its nigh on useless to a town player, but really handy for a scum player. How could you counterattack me in cycle 7 when I shot you after toads lynch in cycle 5? | ||
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In regards to Austin: I find it probable that all his abilities are real though, as I previously said, we've yet to flip any kind of scum healer and its foolish to think they didn't have one in this setup. I think this night test will only prove that he is capable of healing. | ||
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I guess hes packed it in like sandroba ##Lynch risk.nuke ##Epoch Middle Ages | ||
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So many posts just got buried in this game. I don't regret having a 6 page filter. At all. | ||
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On December 07 2012 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I AM THE KILLER :D I didnt get damaged in any way, shape or form. <3 Clarity :D Scum possibilities are Z-bo+Austin Hopeless Phagga Adam Right? Out of that list of names, I am not willing to see either Hopeless or Phagga hanged. I've had a town read on Phagga since pretty early on, nothing has really changed that during the course of this game. Hopeless had a bit of a bumpy start but has since put in some solid work. Read my case on Z-boson. and the followup here Read Hopeless case on Z-boson Now consider the fact that last nights actions proved that Z-BosoN was capable of healing, yet chose not to - instead claiming an untraceable shield. We are still yet to flip a protective scum role after 5 of them dead, there is no way they were not given some form of medic in this setup. Austinmcc is the logical choice for today's lynch. ##Lynch Austinmcc | ||
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Apparently I'm tired of seeing good people die and become enraged at such a petty loss of life, hence the predictive vig power. You already know i'm from 2300AD | ||
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Instead he chose to shield 2 pretty strange targets (both of which I think are lies) and claim a semi non-verifiable shield. | ||
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Why would you only shield for 75 when you could heal for 150 on someone who you obviously thought was at risk of incoming damage? | ||
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On N2, Toad claims to have shot him for 100 damage, Toad flipped and his ability does 100 damage as claimed, yet Hapa still took 100 damage. It should be 25. | ||
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Oats, did you attack Hapa night 1? I know syllo didn't, because he was inquiring about the damage shield on Hapa night 1, and he wouldn't have to ask if he did that damage. If the answer is no, then that shield never existed. | ||
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100 damage was done to Hapa, which Hapa claimed was done to him, ergo no shield was present. | ||
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On December 08 2012 03:00 Acrofales wrote: Mind claiming who you tried to guess for the last few nights? Cycle after I shot Z-Boson, I predicted Clarity to die. Cycle after that, iamperfection On December 08 2012 10:06 Acrofales wrote: I read Adam's filter and did not find it particularly enlightening. The first read-through gave me townie vibes, but on a closer look I find the things he brings up too smooth and easy. He is not sticking his neck out at any point except for a hard defense on SnB just before SnB got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lynched for it. He didn't push his Zbo scum read when there wasn't a "confirmed" scum to lynch and we killed risk.nuke. On the other hand, he didn't try to move the lynch off risk.nuke either. He has some posts that could be considered soft-defenses of risk, but he never tries to push any alternative lynch either, but is content to see where the thread goes. It could be a scum hoping to fly under the radar, or a fairly inactive townie. There also doesn't seem to be enough comparison material for me. His last scumgame was LVI which doesn't seem representative, because he was modkilled for inactivity. I can't find anything else that is even remotely recent. I do find that he plays fairly similar to this as town. TLDR: while Adam makes sense and seems to be a voice of reason in the thread, his scumhunting is rather limited and seems to focus on easy cases. I see nothing obviously scummy, but it's not conclusively town either. Next up: Phagga. I felt somewhat bad for shooting Austin before he even had a chance to post, so I decided to give him a reprieve and a chance to sway my opinion. But with risk.nuke dead and us still not seeing lavos, I went back to my first case and I still stand by it, and have been pursuing it. I was mostly content to let things just roll along with risk.nuke, because as I've previously stated, I had no idea as to his alignment as he looks the same to me every game, lurky, snide comments, next-to-no scum hunting. I was hoping for him to die, lavos to spawn and just admit that I was wrong on austin and move on. I've been capable of some shitty tunnels in the past, and I was starting to get that sinking feeling again since my case seemed to be getting next to zero traction. But no, risk is dead, we're still here, so I go back to thinking austin/Zboson is scum. Probably not worth much, but I'm a terrible scum player, Id have chucked in the towel right around the time Toadesstern got lynched. | ||
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On December 08 2012 22:01 Promethelax wrote: you guys should just come out and say it. There can't be more than 1 scum left (balance wise I can't see a seven man scum team with 25 people at least one of whom is 3p). The 75 damage comes from the item given to the leader of a successful party. Austin feels wrong. Gut feeling here but there we go. Syllo: how many roleclaims were in Risk's qt? I'm curious that SnB didn't fuck over GK since he knew GK's name. ## Vote Austin ## Epoch antiquity By Austin feels wrong, do you mean he feels 'wrong' as in scum? Or do you mean this lynch feels wrong? | ||
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What I find telling is that Phagga seems to be trying to decide if hes going to vote either Syllo or Kita. If they're both town, which seems most probable at this point, then why would a scum Phagga hear each one out, vote for Kita first, then switch to Syllo after Kita goes AWOL and doesn't answer his questions. That seems like a lot of unnecessary effort to offload your vote because your scum candidate (sandroba) bombed. In contrast, Z-BosoN was pushing Sandroba's candidacy with some flimsy reasoning (which I've already touched on previously). He didn't even vote sandroba until an hour before the deadline, that strikes me as supremely odd for someone that apparently never considered anyone else for the entirety of D1 (at least in the thread). I reaffirm, Phagga is town. Austinmcc is scum. I'm going to bed now, I'd really like to wake up to us squaring off with Lavos. | ||
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I'm not going to say I told you so, because that's incredibly non-helpful. What I am going to do is say that today you either lynch me or austin. No one else. Its that simple. Either kill the scum in front of you, or hang me out of this friggen game. PLEASE. ##Vote: austinmcc | ||
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I'm going to assume that I'll still need to predict who is going to die, which will be no one unless Lavos has some kind of damaging ability to go with his roleblocks. | ||
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Yeah, Ill still be predicting for my shot. | ||
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On December 09 2012 11:17 Keirathi wrote: Of course he has some kind of damaging ability. What would be the point otherwise? :o Its pointless either way, even if we only have 10 townies out of the 13 players remaining, hes taking 450 damage a cycle before night actions. Add 100 from Hapa's flamethrower, 75 each from Syllo and Oats, GK's damage, Hopeless damage. Unless he plans to come and spew death over the entire town, his death will be swift. I'm predicting dead after 3 cycles. | ||
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Good information for healers to have, only drawback I can see is if a 3rd party wants to mess with us and snipe our low HP'ers. | ||
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Acro has done more for this town than just about anyone and you want to lynch him while hes AFK? We lynch Austin today. | ||
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I also don't care what Acro's win condition is at this point, I said earlier, I have no beef with 3rd party. What I see now is someone under suspicion trying to sway the town into voting a 3rd party because there's no more easy lynches. | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote: This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. I will take issue with Acro only when his actions give me a reason to. My objective, as you've pointed out, is to kill scum, not 3rd party. | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause my brain, Marv said kita was probably 3rd party and there was a consensus until he claimed, which I totally forgot. :x Although something against Acro, All the actions we did in the 'boss fight', we sheeped off Acro and we failed+Dieno and Djo died. SO... You cant seriously dump that on him, everyone followed him without so much as a peep. That makes all of us just as complicit in what happened. Look, no one listened last night when I said phagga was town, even when I explained why it was unlikely. Don't take the cowardly way out here and kill Acro. Go back, read everything against Z-bosoN, god read his day 1, its a MESS. Now look at Austin trying to swing this lynch onto a 3rd party. After all that, come back and honestly tell me that you don't think hes the right lynch for today. | ||
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On December 11 2012 08:50 GreYMisT wrote: austinmcc (The Guru's of Zeal) was lynched! | ||
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On December 11 2012 21:12 syllogism wrote: Okay so I went back and finally read a bit. At one point adam warned against attacking him, but apparently that was a false threat. Why did you lie about that, adam? Can you provide a full list of all your predictions so far? I lied to try and prevent someone I had a town read on from shooting at me. Syllogism Dieno Toad Toad Wrathed Austin for 200 damage Clarity Iamperfection austinmcc austinmcc phagga The last two were incredibly frustrating because I had to submit my night action and then go to bed before the lynch. Then the switch onto Phagga happened, making my austinmcc prediction wrong AND screwing up my next cycles prediction because he was already dead. I think that comes across in this post here I'm not scum, feel free to roleblock the shit out of me, ill never get one of these predictions right anyway. | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:54 syllogism wrote: Can you explain your role a bit more N1 Syllogism N2 Dieno N3 Toad N4 Toad N5 Wrathed Austin for 200 damage N6 Clarity N7 Iamperfection N8 austinmcc N9 austinmcc N10 phagga These are what you submitted in right? So if I had died on N1, you would have gotten a bullet for N2? So are you saying you submitted Phagga last night even though Phagga was already dead? The way it works is I submit on day 1, my pick to die from the beginning of N1, all the way through til the end of N2. This does not include the D1 lynch, as that resolves at the 47th hour of the day, and the night actions at the 48th. Then on the next cycle, I lose my predictive power and gain a shot that has to be spent, so I can resume predicting again. Why austin didn't counterattack me is beyond me. I was kind of expecting it regardless of his alignment. I took 100 damage and was roleblocked last night. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever: + Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] + On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote: I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed. This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum. Additionally, the night actions make no sense. N1 - N6 are okay. N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage? N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin? N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you? N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless. Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB. Sigh. I expected the counterattack to come after he said he could do it in later cycles. I switched from clarity to iamperfection because promethelax said he was going to seed/roleblock protect him, making it unlikely that he was going to die. I switched to austin because id been bloody harping on him for something close to 5 cycles, I was hoping someone would eventually see the logic in my posts after I bashed everyone over the head with it enough, yet the only person that listened was hopeless, you all had to go and hang phagga first. Whatever, this game is over, I did my bit, I brought down austin. Kill lavos, wrap this crap up. | ||
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Don't know why you'd think me scum at this point. If I were scum, i'd have lined my god damned predictions up with the night kills and shot a half dozen times by now =/ | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever: + Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] + On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote: I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed. This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum. Additionally, the night actions make no sense. N1 - N6 are okay. N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage? N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin? N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you? N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless. Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB. Right, I've figured out where the problem is. My guess order was: 1) Syllogism 2) Dieno 3) Toadesstern (this one was valid until the end of N4, when we lynched him) so this was the correct guess. 4) I submitted to Greymist - If toad survives this lynch, then predict toad. If toad dies, shoot Zboson. I shot Zboson on N4, not night 5, go back and reread it, I claim it at the time, right after the day post. 5) Clarity 6) Iamperfection 7) austin 8) austin 9) phagga Does that make a little more sense now? | ||
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On December 12 2012 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: I dealt 250 last night. We can add up the total kp output to determine the number of town players remaining if everyone claims their damage. Good idea - no surprise, zero here. | ||
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Read my filter, I wasn't entirely sold on the risk.nuke lynch, heck I stayed up til the middle of the night waiting to hear him out, hoping that he might prove me wrong and be useful. To be honest, I coloured CaveJohnson in blue in my spreadsheet (the colour of 'this person should be ignored) on about day 2 and just completely ignored his existence. Remember, i'm having to predict stuff a cycle in advance, its hard to gauge what town sentiment will be 48 hours after that point, especially since I don't get to see the current days lynch before my guess for the next cycle. | ||
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cycle 5 also cycle 5 I give up trying to explain this. This role has literally done my head in all game and probably needs to be re-tuned somewhat if its going to be used in future games. I'm town, but I understand how crazy this role is sounding, so imma just stop trying, Kita, roleblock me again for everyone's peace of mind. | ||
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On December 12 2012 23:43 Acrofales wrote: The second cycle 5 is actually cycle 6, so yeah, you shot Zbo in the night of of cycle 5, but I can see how looking back gets you confused. I did it wrong too Anyway, I agree that your explanation of the role is giving me a headache. You're either scum making a brainteaser out of your fakeclaim or town with an impossibly convoluted role. I give up trying to figure out which and am focusing on Hapa. He seems to be the crux of the missing damage on Lavos. Yeah, its the second one. I've considered submitting myself as a prediction out of spite | ||
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Was a really interesting setup, and if nothing else, its got me playing chrono trigger now which is probably 15 years overdue. Thanks for hosting Greymist, Mementoss and Hassybaby. | ||
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On December 13 2012 10:20 Risen wrote: I would have been on an event team if die hadn't fucked up lol, but afaik getting onto an event team is super detrimental as scum following successful parties. It's a free dt check with no benefit I can see :S I just want to know wtf the other members were thinking (beyond toad). Sand afk killed, VE mod kill was horrible, sab/risk claimed scum in thread, and poor Austin replaced into a super scummy filter only to slip up bc his claim didn't match up (but he managed to get phagga lynched through reasons SUPER UNKNOWN to me lol) That phagga lynch really chapped my ass. I saw it coming, knew it was stupid and wrong, posted as much, went to bed with Austin being the leading votegetter by a mile, wake up and phagga is dead. Even worse that literally everyone involved was town, except austin. | ||
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On December 13 2012 10:54 GreYMisT wrote: Oh yea Dieno your role was originally REALLY overpowered. instead of slurp slash you could simply choose to avoid all night actions on you every night. when you got below 150 HP you could deal 200 damage to 3 targets each night. All he would have to do is avoid the lynch all game and hes immune to death? What in the... haha that's crazy! I knew as soon as the N1 post rolled around with no-one dead that I was going to be in for a rough game as far as predicting deaths was concerned. | ||
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On December 13 2012 11:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Like I said in obs, I swear I had the strongest ability in the game, infinite heal equal to the damage someone took. I can't believe marv died so early LOL gg town! edit: Syllo took all the credit for sand lynch though I swear I did more to try and make it happen. Why was I so unconvincing? People generally credit a lynch to the vet that was on it and near the front. Not taking anything away from syllo, he was very right about sandroba, but I acknowledge you being on it and was part of the reason I made you as town so early on. I posted my thoughts on sandroba, which went almost entirely ignored, save for i think Hapa commenting on and agreeing with it. | ||
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On December 13 2012 11:29 austinmcc wrote: Gah, gg all. Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol. I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong. BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun. I really started to question whether or not you were scum somewhere a day or two after you joined. Then I went back and reread Zbosons filter and just convinced myself all over again. It really sucked for both of us, since you couldn't defend his actions and apparently no one wanted to hear about the person that used to occupy your role. | ||
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