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So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader
1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv
Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all.
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On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chronicler.
Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this?
YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM
Well we can look at this multiple ways.
1) Chronicler is town and is telling the truth. Pretty likely IMO.
2) Chronicler is town and is lying. Nonsensical, given that Toad is a very likely target in future days.
3) Chronicler is scum and is telling the truth. Possible bus. Worth considering, but not too likely IMO.
4) Chronicler is scum and is lying. Very unlikely, given that toad hypothetically flipping green would get TC under very heavy fire. Also completely unnecessary in order to get Toad killed.
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On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer.
Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning...
We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town?
I see no down-side.
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On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote:
I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious.
@Prom
Syllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo?
Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else.
If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader.
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Kita wants a puppet leader.
I do not agree with Kita. Scum could convince Dieno to vote them and there is no onus on the party leader to find out who is town.
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On November 24 2012 17:18 Promethelax wrote:-snip- Hapa made a case on me but it is long and I'll just link to it here I guess I didn't explain well in the early game why I thought that one of Sand/Syllo had to be scum butI think I have since that point. If you want to hear it again here goes + Show Spoiler +there were two gyus who both seemed content to put each other in their parties, there was no strong opposition to these two guys except each other. If both of these players were town mafia would have tried to push a candidate as I believe 100% that mafia wanted to be in the party. ergo one of Sand/Syllo was scum. I was more comfortable with Syllo because he did not explicitly state that he would take Sand, and his play in general gave me more of a townie vibe. If I'd had my way Acro would have been elected but sine things worked out I have to admit that I was wrong to oppose Syllo Consolidation that I asked for was shut down, consolidation was on the Obama/Romney ticket and no one else. The one party system wasn't working for me. -snip-
in case it wasn't clear (I was pretty high so maybe it wasn't) I didn't feel that Sand and Syllo presented differing platforms both had the other on the ticket, I thought, hence why I referred to them as Obama/Romney. The idea being that voting for one was the same as voting for the other.
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On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side.
Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision.
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On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chronicler.
Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this?
YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM
Yup. I'm in the business as scum of trading myself for a single townie. Oh wait...
Check my filter from this last cycle. There's a reason I wanted toads reaction to a Sandro lynch so bad.
On November 25 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:33 TheChronicler wrote:
Ebwop: that was my n1, btw. Not last night. why did you choose those 2 players?
Both ran as candidates for leader and didn't win. Figured sylo's alignment would be determined by failure/success. Got lucky.
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On November 25 2012 10:37 Keirathi wrote:
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader
1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv
Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all.
I also read Marv as town, but I don't know how I feel about him being put in a party. From what I've heard, he has a crazy good scum game, so perhaps choosing another person would be best...
Also: Could you clarify once and for all what your early game comment about having a low success modifier was about?
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On November 25 2012 10:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kita wants a puppet leader.
I do not agree with Kita. Scum could convince Dieno to vote them and there is no onus on the party leader to find out who is town.
What makes you think any other person isn't less open to manipulation? Don't attack his experience when he is the best choice we have right now. Your puppet accusation is nonsense.
In my opinion there are plenty of good town selections to choose from. I'll post my list tomorrow. If you think I'm manipulating him, you will have you chance to attack my choices, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be selecting our best option.
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On November 25 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote:
I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious. @PromSyllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo? Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else. If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader.
Yeah I was bluffing but I thought it was a safe bet. There were only two roleblocks and it seemed inconceivable that no one targeted the leader of the town party besides me. So I took a gamble, i knew my credibility was pretty low but I knew my role could make or break this lynch (theoretically) so I challenged Sand on it.
I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (I thought I would block it all and that mafia would have individual abilities and NOT factional kp but this is false, mafia has kp!) and I assumed that it was Mafia KP (another reason which I didn't state earlier that i thought he was Town in the 'one of Sand/Syllo is scum' argument). I looked at my pm again in writing this to confirm my abilities, it only roleblocks players so I imagine that factional kp is not blocked.
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On November 25 2012 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side. Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision.
All that winning gave us last time was the chance to lynch. If that's all that happens when things go well, then, yeah, I'd rather not learn what happens when we fail...
Hint: I doubt we'll be able to lynch.
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On November 25 2012 10:39 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 17:18 Promethelax wrote:-snip- Hapa made a case on me but it is long and I'll just link to it here I guess I didn't explain well in the early game why I thought that one of Sand/Syllo had to be scum butI think I have since that point. If you want to hear it again here goes + Show Spoiler +there were two gyus who both seemed content to put each other in their parties, there was no strong opposition to these two guys except each other. If both of these players were town mafia would have tried to push a candidate as I believe 100% that mafia wanted to be in the party. ergo one of Sand/Syllo was scum. I was more comfortable with Syllo because he did not explicitly state that he would take Sand, and his play in general gave me more of a townie vibe. If I'd had my way Acro would have been elected but sine things worked out I have to admit that I was wrong to oppose Syllo Consolidation that I asked for was shut down, consolidation was on the Obama/Romney ticket and no one else. The one party system wasn't working for me. -snip- in case it wasn't clear (I was pretty high so maybe it wasn't) I didn't feel that Sand and Syllo presented differing platforms both had the other on the ticket, I thought, hence why I referred to them as Obama/Romney. The idea being that voting for one was the same as voting for the other.
That's not a "response" - that's you replying to a very select portion of my suspicions and burying it in a long post (in a spoiler, rofl) where noone can see it.
There are several things I want to hear about:
1) Why were you so at peace with the idea of voting Syllo, when you were convinced that one of Sandrob/Syllo was scum AND you thought Syllo would include Sandrob in his party?
2) Why were you trying to push "consolidation" early in the thread, then attacked Sandrob/Syllo for the sake of opposition?
3) Why didn't you treat Syllo as a "credible candidate"? (Also, funny that you accused me of not taking kita seriously in one of your previous posts as scummy).
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Ok sounds legit
Also I am roleclaiming to prevent scum from claiming first.
And also to be on the team and the party leader
I am Robo
I have an ability that can hit for 50hp. I cant use it consecutive nights.
On November 23 2012 07:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do the mods need a machine to do the counting for them? lol
I have not really been hitting on sandro the whole game but I think that with his inactivity, there is a good chance that he is scum.
Machine = robot=robo
I targeted sandro in the first cycle.
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On November 25 2012 10:43 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:37 Keirathi wrote:
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader
1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv
Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all. I also read Marv as town, but I don't know how I feel about him being put in a party. From what I've heard, he has a crazy good scum game, so perhaps choosing another person would be best... Also: Could you clarify once and for all what your early game comment about having a low success modifier was about?
Marv rolled a loooooong string of scumgames recently, and I'd expect his scum-play to be much more demotivated (i.e. GSL III Mini). Marv currently is much more engaged and active than I'd expect from his scum play. In addition, including him on the team would help us avoid a potential late-game disaster if we somehow fail the mission (I.e. it would alert us to him being scum if we failed, yet included other strongly townie guys on the team).
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we had robo and frog on the first event lololol
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On November 25 2012 10:46 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side. Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision. All that winning gave us last time was the chance to lynch. If that's all that happens when things go well, then, yeah, I'd rather not learn what happens when we fail... Hint: I doubt we'll be able to lynch.
Wait what? How do you know what success/failure of a mission does? Mission success wasn't explicitly linked to a lynch day in any host-post I saw.
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On November 25 2012 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok sounds legit Also I am roleclaiming to prevent scum from claiming first. And also to be on the team and the party leader I am Robo I have an ability that can hit for 50hp. I cant use it consecutive nights. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do the mods need a machine to do the counting for them? lol
I have not really been hitting on sandro the whole game but I think that with his inactivity, there is a good chance that he is scum. Machine = robot=robo I targeted sandro in the first cycle.
Robo should have been given a cooler ability T.T
That aside, I have no idea how role-claiming makes you any more qualified to be team leader... Might even make you less qualified since that information really only helps scum at this point.
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Why?
Cause Im claiming a role from 2300 AD which we are in right now. Party Leader might get bonuses + Same era.
Also I have other abilities. hehehe.
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On November 25 2012 10:43 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:37 Keirathi wrote:
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader
1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv
Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all. I also read Marv as town, but I don't know how I feel about him being put in a party. From what I've heard, he has a crazy good scum game, so perhaps choosing another person would be best... Also: Could you clarify once and for all what your early game comment about having a low success modifier was about?
Can you clarify what you're asking?
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