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On November 30 2012 09:47 Acrofales wrote: Kita drops into the thread with useless information after >24 hours of absence? If that's what winning entails, you'd better role+alignment claim. I've been reading and writing up a post for the past two hours. You can complain afterwards. | ||
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No, however I do refer to myself in the third party! | ||
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On November 29 2012 21:54 Acrofales wrote: That leaves town or someone who needs me dead. If it's town, just tell me, I won't be mad. Otherwise I will assume someone needs me dead and take precautions tomorrow night. I have something that sounds like it could be a paranoid gunman ability. I think it'll be fun. Want to play chicken with me, mr X? @Kita, did you take any damage? I promise I didn't shoot you. No sir. On November 30 2012 01:42 risk.nuke wrote: And I didn't know if inviting someone counted as a roleblockable action. But hey thanks for outing my name... there probably will be no consequences. What a fraud! Since when does Gato want to hide his name? He literally announces it ever time I talk with him! | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah that makes sense Acro, Kita do you want to share? I have no connection with the counter. | ||
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Next, onto Acro. Before you attack me for spending so much focus on him, hear me out. For people who are calling him a pro-town, third party player, these types of roles rarely exist. The only one that comes to mind was a rival role that had to kill a mafia player. First off, we don’t know that he is third party. Secondly, a survivor is not pro-town. If we don’t win by day X, the survivor simply aligns himself with the mafia team. The mafia team won’t kill him because he is an ally, the town won’t kill him because the mafia are higher priority. It would be foolish to trust a player with an alternate win condition. We have a great opportunity here to improve our position. By putting him in a corner with TC’s check, he was forced to claim for survival. Why is town not using this to our advantage? Force him to roleclaim, force him to reveal his win condition, force him to use his actions the way we see fit. People may attack me for wanting to consider him a lynch candidate, but here is my logic. When a claimed survivor with a hidden role and win condition is threatened with a lynch, he has two choices: His first option is to take his secrets to the grave and fail to meet his win condition. This wouldn’t make sense. His second option is to claim for survival, allowing us to evaluate the additional information. With his third party claim, he is banking on the fact that an organized town does not exploit his position. Why should we care if his “hunter” learns his identity? That’s less kp aimed at the town and potentially another third party player removed from the game. Maybe if he's willing to be more transparent we could even see if we could meet our goals mutually. I know it's cruel treat Acro this way, but its something that benefits our position. The only way we can follow through with this plan though is if I have town’s support to push through the ultimatum that he becomes transparent or die. I have devoted a lot of my time in the thread to opposing Cave, but I fail to see how that is a point against me. Not only has he shown little interest in helping town, he has attempted to deceive us. Why keep a compulsive liar around? He has lied about his success modifier, he has lied about not being able to change a submitted night action, he has lied about his health. Having a history of being anti-town is no excuse to continue to play anti-town. Now onto my thoughts about his claimed night action. First off, what is his motivation to claim the shot in the thread? How does telling the mafia that he is going to shoot them for 700+ damage increase his chances of success? If I'm town and have this deadly ability, I'd act first and claim later. Upon resolution, Toad confirms the damage dealt by cave. I'm not going to read into an outed scum's post all that much, but this comes off as odd to me. Why provide validity to a vig shot? Finally, we have the fact that Cave claims to have taken reduced damage during two different cycles. A player who claims to have 27 abilities (which has a 99% chance of being a lie) obviously wouldn't be able to use multiple abilities per cycle, especially when we're talking about dealing 700+ damage. So this means that he is either lying about shooting toad or another player is protecting Cave. Marv already flipped as a town aligned 50% medic. Why would there be a second one targeting Cave? He claims to have taken no damage, I claim to have shot him. Things aren't adding up. Onto risk.... On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Scummy post from a scummy player. On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. On November 29 2012 05:59 risk.nuke wrote: Kitaman accomplishments was a dubious troll campaign and you question why I was under the impression he was scummy. After I posted my case against him, he responded quite aggressively and has called me scum on three different occasions, without providing actual evidence. Now lets look at his defense of GK: On November 29 2012 22:23 risk.nuke wrote: Goodkarmas behavior (not actions) when I invited him I have an impossible time to make sense from as a scum perspective. I could understand third party but that is near impossible from how insanely weak a third party he would be, and scum or third party wouldn't shoot at CJ! On November 29 2012 22:45 risk.nuke wrote: He aimed at you cycle 1. And no third party wouldn't and he can't be third party because his role is to weak and doesn't fit the profile. Scum wouldn't shoot you over likely townies. There is a contradiction here. I claimed to have shot Cave on day one. I post a case against risk and he responds that I'm scum. He places no value on the target of my night hit. However, when addressing GK, he can't possibly be mafia due to the same exact action. There is a double standard here and his line of thought shows no consistency. Masoning protown players when you have the ability to damage them makes no sense to me. If you're going to be putting together a mason circle, why are you targeting players like Keirathi, when syllo or marv is alive? You have a scum read on me, have the ability to harm me, but choose not to? If you have a method of damage output, but don't trust you reads, why isn't toad being invited? At least that's something that would be a sure thing. Risk had shown little interest in pushing a anti-town read against a player. You have to address him directly in thread if you want an opinion. I still have a scum read. I'm not sure I buy VE's protection claim on Dieno. We know the mafia team are likely going to be targeting him for a night kill. His excuse for visiting him is pretty convenient. Why wait unless night four to target him with a 25% heal? Wouldn't it have made more sense to use it earlier on. VE has claimed to be having RL issues and I can sympathize with that, but its apparent that he is having trouble keeping up with the thread and is already replacing a low-activity player. If he keeps up the current activity level with his lack of strong reads, I'd be in favor of killing him. phagga has been pretty transparent and comes off as sincere. I currently consider him town. In response to Prom's PBPA on GK, there are several things that I don't put much value into. I'm fine with a player directing blues, I don't really see his post about kp as a scumslip, and threatening to shoot lurkers is reasonable. The things that I'm looking at is his presence in the failed party, his name claim of an obscure character, his day one treatment towards syllo/sandro, and any evidence towards scumhunting. Prom, you deserve a better response and unfortunately I've already used up most of my free time tonight on the rest of the post. I want to be able to look through GK's filter first before coming to a conclusion on this one. Looking at a flipped Toad will be my first priority tomorrow. Afterwards, I'll try to take a better look at GK and Hapahauli. Onto party selection... I don't like Keirathi as a pick for leader of as a member of the group. He was included in the group that failed and the reason I've been pretty content to overlook him was his success during the first mission. Now that this no longer applies, I see no reason to take a risk with him. He claims to have a low sucess modifier, but it is possible this is just a cover for a negative modifier. I'm not going to list him as a lynch candidate yet, but we have safer choices. I'll still throw myself in the conversation for party selection even if its unlikely I'll be chosen. Not a single player has a mafia read on me. I'm not really sure why I haven't been considered during any cycle. My proposed party: Clarity Dieno Syllo Oats You could even submit this team now in case you don't remember 24 hours from now!  | ||
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Because I'm being realistic and felt that pushing other objectives was a better use of my time. If clarity has a town read on me and wants to include me in his party, I'd prefer myself, dieno, clarity, and oats. Any thoughts on any of the other points? | ||
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On November 30 2012 12:26 Promethelax wrote: I'm pretty hung up on the fact that you called a party before we have one selected. Since we need to disguise the party from scum and make sure they aren't confidant who we are taking. I'll give the mafia team a hint: It's probably not going to include Cave, Toad or Acro. Mafia is going to shoot a pro-town player regardless of whether or not I listed who I think should be included. They know the identity of the leader based on the voting and have the option of focus firing him. Clarity or whoever is elected can take my exact party or swap another player in, but I fail to see why that makes you unable to comment on anything else. | ||
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Slash has multiple forms. After you defeat Slash's weaker form, he grabs the sword off the wall, which can target everyone. The first flea is fake. He drains all the mp of the first person to kill him. | ||
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Maybe by cycle 15 he might actually die off. | ||
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Opens the game with a scum read on Keirathi before little content has been posted. They exchange words a couple times and his read is dropped by the end of the day. Claims to think that the mafia team has all their eggs in the same basket with the day one lynch. Loves Kita (I love you too) Doesn't comment on GK as a candidate. Decides to push for a sandroba lynch late d1 Considered Cave anti-town and supports dealing with him by vig shot. Claims roleblock night three. Claims 710 damage, followed by 750 damage with the Cave shot. Likely raged in scum quicktopic after the investigative checks Conclusions: Toad had little support for the election and didn't support sandroba. The mafia team was content with losing day one. The mafia team decided sandroba wasn't going to be very useful quite early. We know Cave must have a kp amount that probably isn't divisible by 5 or 10 due to the single point of damage he received. Therefore, if his ability is legit, the amount of damage that he would be dealing isn't divisible by 5 or 10. Toad or Cave much be lying about the damage amount. | ||
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On December 02 2012 04:48 strongandbig wrote: if i guess the rolename wrong the ability fails and i cant use it again next cycle Have you considered trying to verify GK's nameclaim? | ||
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 It seems to me that S&B's role is more useful as an investigative role, rather than a heal 50 hp role. Based on the two flips we've seen so far, the bad guys in the game match up with the mafia team roles. What we can do is select the player we're most likely to lynch the next cycle, force them to name claim, and have S&B verify that the character name. | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:32 goodkarma wrote: Did it occur to you that if strong is scum, then his "confirmations" mean nothing? If the person's town, he'll say it "checks out," and if scum fake claims he'll do exactly the same... If he confirms a scum fake claim, then he's linked himself to another scum player and we have a 2 for 1 deal. You value the 50 hp heal over the investigative check? | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:22 Acrofales wrote: So, given that SnB looks very like he's scum caught in a lie, why exactly does Kita want to let him run around doing 250 damage to whoever he feels like "checking"? I'm not sure where you got that from. I'm saying the exact opposite. We choose his target. | ||
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How come you never questioned your role mechanics when I had the same exact question 24 hours ago? I assume your next post will be a clarification after asking the host? | ||
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