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On December 09 2012 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 03:04 phagga wrote:On December 09 2012 02:55 iamperfection wrote:
Open question why would scum austin heal me? If he would not have healed a townie today, he would have been a sure lynch. I had no other choice. If I were scum, I seemed to already be on the chopping block. Why would I heal town in order to push back another cycle? Based on toads machine, scum wants to summon lavos early, so why would I not just die?
This is a terribly worded question... Themed or no, scum wants to stay alive as long as possible this game... My brain hurts trying to wrap my head around how town could say this...
For me, it's a very close call between if you or phagga should be lynched today. Phagga has literally done nothing useful all game. I have trouble believing he is town, given how hard he's tunneled me (to the exclusion of any other real scumhunting...) even when it is completely apparent to everyone else that I'm town...
But on the other hand, I believe that Z-Boson would use his night actions more reasonably as town... Shielding just doesn't make any sense... And neither does this comment...
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I strongly hope we can try vig-ing phagga tonight as well. As best I can tell, at least one of the two is scum...
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On December 09 2012 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 03:04 phagga wrote:On December 09 2012 02:55 iamperfection wrote:
Open question why would scum austin heal me? If he would not have healed a townie today, he would have been a sure lynch. I had no other choice. If I were scum, I seemed to already be on the chopping block. Why would I heal town in order to push back another cycle? Based on toads machine, scum wants to summon lavos early, so why would I not just die?
I suppose that the amount of scum players in the fight vs lavos play a deciding factor. So I would imagine that scum tries to stay alive as long as possible in order to make it harder for town to beat lavos.
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On December 08 2012 19:21 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 10:40 goodkarma wrote:
For what it's worth, I helped with CJ's demise too... How much damage did you do to CJ?
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On December 09 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 19:21 phagga wrote:On December 07 2012 10:40 goodkarma wrote:
For what it's worth, I helped with CJ's demise too... How much damage did you do to CJ?
I should have dealt him 150 damage.
Scummm readz plox?
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I think I am more inclined to vote austin than phaggy.
Scum not having any kind of protection/healing role seems weird. And if they do have one, they probably can't use it on themselves. So it would have had to been used on a townie (or not used at all, but that would be dumb...need the town cred) assuming that there is only 1 scum left.
And I agree with GK, that "summon Lavos early" line of thinking makes literally 0 sense. Scum wincon is still to kill all of the townies, not to summon Lavos, and it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the more townies alive when he's summoned, the more likely he is to die. Scum would want to stay alive and kill as many townies as possible before they went out.
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Lynch:
Austinmcc (7): Adam4167, Hopeless1der, Hapahauli, Syllogism, Goodkarma, TheChronicler, Acrofales, Promethelax, keirathi
Phagga (3): Austinmcc, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der, Goodkarma
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Prehistory (7): Hopeless1der, Hapahauli, Syllogism, Goodkarma, Thechronicler, austinmcc, keirathi
Antiquity (2): Acrofales, promethlax
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That "scum want to summon Lavos early" line kinda shows me that austin is not thinking like scum. He's not thinking about a seemingly obvious scum objective.
I really think we should be lynching Phagga today. Austin's case is pretty good, and my readthrough of Phagga's play in recent days is somewhat alarming. Phagga's contributions as of late are a town case on Hopeless and very questionable tunneling of GoodKarma (whom he now thinks is town). That's basically it - he's been very reluctant to give scumreads or even scumhunt for that matter.
The closest thing to scumhunting in his filter in recent days is the following:
On December 08 2012 19:40 phagga wrote:
since I have obviously been doing a bad job of putting all my relevant thoughts into the thread, let's try this differently.
I got a bunch of people where I am pretty sure that they are town or playing in towns interest so far (Acro). Here are the ones that are left over:
- Goodkarma
- Hopeless1der
- Austinmcc
- Adam
- Hapa (From all listed here, he is the least probably scum)
Now, the point is, if GK is not scum (which I am slowly starting to think because of his night actions and behaviour around them, as well as the convo in the tent), then who else is? Hapa probably not, on Hope I just made an update that shows that I doubt he is scum. That leaves Adam and Austin. These are therefore the guys I am concentrating on next, so you will get more what I think of them before the deadline.
Phagga seems to be playing the delay game. He hasn't posted anything on Austin/Adam, and his play is yet again following a pattern of getting ready to plop down a last-minute non-controversial vote on a candidate when the lynch is almost decided.
Also, his town cases conflicts with his earlier in-game stance on scumhunting/townhunting:
On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.
Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting.
Things aren't adding up. His play so far has been the definition of blending in. It's the scummiest thing in the thread atm, and Phagga should be held accountable for it.
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On December 09 2012 04:57 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On December 08 2012 19:21 phagga wrote:On December 07 2012 10:40 goodkarma wrote:
For what it's worth, I helped with CJ's demise too... How much damage did you do to CJ? I should have dealt him 150 damage. Scummm readz plox?
Adam: He made a few cases, asks questions regularly and follows up on it. He compares meta on Sandro and snb, and in Sandro case explains nicely why Sandro is possibly scum. Also the way he argued in his posts vs z-boson looks good, logical. He does not have a lot of posts, but what is there is rather usefull for town. Not gonna vote him.
Austin: I'm not through his filter yet, but the case from Adam and Hopes case on z-boson are rather good. However, I will go through his filter first and see if there is something else I'd like to add (positive and/or negative).
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On December 09 2012 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:
That "scum want to summon Lavos early" line kinda shows me that austin is not thinking like scum. He's not thinking about a seemingly obvious scum objective.
I really think we should be lynching Phagga today. Austin's case is pretty good, and my readthrough of Phagga's play in recent days is somewhat alarming. Phagga's contributions as of late are a town case on Hopeless and very questionable tunneling of GoodKarma (whom he now thinks is town). That's basically it - he's been very reluctant to give scumreads or even scumhunt for that matter.
The closest thing to scumhunting in his filter in recent days is the following:
On December 08 2012 19:40 phagga wrote:
since I have obviously been doing a bad job of putting all my relevant thoughts into the thread, let's try this differently.
I got a bunch of people where I am pretty sure that they are town or playing in towns interest so far (Acro). Here are the ones that are left over:
- Goodkarma
- Hopeless1der
- Austinmcc
- Adam
- Hapa (From all listed here, he is the least probably scum)
Now, the point is, if GK is not scum (which I am slowly starting to think because of his night actions and behaviour around them, as well as the convo in the tent), then who else is? Hapa probably not, on Hope I just made an update that shows that I doubt he is scum. That leaves Adam and Austin. These are therefore the guys I am concentrating on next, so you will get more what I think of them before the deadline.
Phagga seems to be playing the delay game. He hasn't posted anything on Austin/Adam, and his play is yet again following a pattern of getting ready to plop down a last-minute non-controversial vote on a candidate when the lynch is almost decided.
Also, his town cases conflicts with his earlier in-game stance on scumhunting/townhunting:
On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.
Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting.
Things aren't adding up. His play so far has been the definition of blending in. It's the scummiest thing in the thread atm, and Phagga should be held accountable for it. [/QUOTE]
Seriously, at the end of this game I want a proper definition of "scumhunting". When I make a case on Hope that shows me he is not scum, that help me find a better scum target too. When i ask risk.nuke like three times in once cycle about his read on Hapa, and never get an answer together with his general inactivity, that gives me a pretty good idea that he is hiding something. Scumhunting is not only making big ass cases, at least that's what I thought. But hey, I can happily just throw out a list with half the playerbase and some shitty reasoning and say "here, see me, I'm hunting scum!".
Also, regarding towncases: You were the one who called me scum for not updating my read on CaveJohson. Now I am updating my read on some players and you call me out for a contradiction? What do you want now?
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EBWOP Sorry, forgot the preview the other one.
On December 09 2012 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:That "scum want to summon Lavos early" line kinda shows me that austin is not thinking like scum. He's not thinking about a seemingly obvious scum objective. I really think we should be lynching Phagga today. Austin's case is pretty good, and my readthrough of Phagga's play in recent days is somewhat alarming. Phagga's contributions as of late are a town case on Hopeless and very questionable tunneling of GoodKarma (whom he now thinks is town). That's basically it - he's been very reluctant to give scumreads or even scumhunt for that matter. The closest thing to scumhunting in his filter in recent days is the following: Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 19:40 phagga wrote:
since I have obviously been doing a bad job of putting all my relevant thoughts into the thread, let's try this differently.
I got a bunch of people where I am pretty sure that they are town or playing in towns interest so far (Acro). Here are the ones that are left over:
- Goodkarma
- Hopeless1der
- Austinmcc
- Adam
- Hapa (From all listed here, he is the least probably scum)
Now, the point is, if GK is not scum (which I am slowly starting to think because of his night actions and behaviour around them, as well as the convo in the tent), then who else is? Hapa probably not, on Hope I just made an update that shows that I doubt he is scum. That leaves Adam and Austin. These are therefore the guys I am concentrating on next, so you will get more what I think of them before the deadline. Phagga seems to be playing the delay game. He hasn't posted anything on Austin/Adam, and his play is yet again following a pattern of getting ready to plop down a last-minute non-controversial vote on a candidate when the lynch is almost decided. Also, his town cases conflicts with his earlier in-game stance on scumhunting/townhunting: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote:On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.
Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting. Things aren't adding up. His play so far has been the definition of blending in. It's the scummiest thing in the thread atm, and Phagga should be held accountable for it.
Seriously, at the end of this game I want a proper definition of "scumhunting". When I make a case on Hope that shows me he is not scum, that help me find a better scum target too. When i ask risk.nuke like three times in once cycle about his read on Hapa, and never get an answer together with his general inactivity, that gives me a pretty good idea that he is hiding something. Scumhunting is not only making big ass cases, at least that's what I thought. But hey, I can happily just throw out a list with half the playerbase and some shitty reasoning and say "here, see me, I'm hunting scum!".
Also, regarding towncases: You were the one who called me scum for not updating my read on CaveJohson. Now I am updating my read on some players and you call me out for a contradiction? What do you want now?
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Well Phagga, I want you to scumhunt. Making town cases on players whom will never be lynched today is not scum-hunting.
You still don't have a concrete scumread 3 hours before the deadline, and it's quite disturbing.
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On December 09 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Well Phagga, I want you to scumhunt. Making town cases on players whom will never be lynched today is not scum-hunting.
You still don't have a concrete scumread 3 hours before the deadline, and it's quite disturbing.
It's helping me narrow down who is scum and who not. I wrote like 15 minutes ago that I agree with the cases of Hope and Adam, so i am very likely going to vote Austin. I just wanted to check a few things myself, but if you are in such a hurry, here:
##Lynch: austinmcc
Epoch: Prehistory
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i dont want to kill austin. I know for a fact that i got healed and he claimed it and im town so thats pro town in my book. He seems to be contributing now and trying to figure things out.
I also dont think a replacing out zbos would have bothered to make the big post that he did right before the deadline if he was scum. It seems like to me zbos was just pouring all his thoughts from his perspective on what he thought was going on in the game.
If he was scum i think zbos would have just said fuck it and not said a word.
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@ Phagga
To elaborate:
This will be the 4th (5th?) lynch cycle where you beat around the bush and post very irrelevant content until the very end of the cycle. Then at the end of the cycle, you neatly package together a non-controversial vote on someone. If this was once or twice, I wouldn't think much of it. However this is a pattern.
Day 1 (Party vote):
You support kita because you "liked one of his posts" then sheep the vote on Syllo at the very end of the day.
Day 2 (Lynch vote):
You call CaveJohnson scum for very little rationale, make a "case" on GoodKarma, then end up sheeping the vote on Sandro at the end of the day.
Day 3-5
(Bunch of non-controversial votes on party-leaders/lynching Toad, material doesn't apply to my suspicions.)
Day 6 (Lynch):
You spend the entire day tunneling GoodKarma. This is the only aberration from your pattern, but tunneling a candidate who had no chance in hell of getting lynched isn't being useful by any measure.
On December 03 2012 17:18 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 17:00 risk.nuke wrote:
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Hapas first ability sound like bogus. The second sound like scum. That post sounds like scum. you have posted almost nothing in the last 72 hours, and all you do is trying to judge a player on is claimed abilities. Hapa has posted a lot in the last few hours, why don't you comment on that?
You attack risk for calling me scum. This is seemingly a strong accusation, but you are very wishy-washy on him the next day.
Day 7 (Lynch):
Wishy-washy on risk, you still think that GK is the scummiest candidate, build a town-case on Hopeless, then you vote risk at the very end of the day.
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Today (Lynch):
Now we're following the exact same pattern. You've voiced your opinions that GK is town and that one of Adam and Austin is scum. Yet we haven't heard anything resembling analysis on either player. We're now 2.5 hours before the deadline, and once again you're setting up for an inconsequential last-minute vote.
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On December 09 2012 05:41 iamperfection wrote:
i dont want to kill austin. I know for a fact that i got healed and he claimed it and im town so thats pro town in my book. He seems to be contributing now and trying to figure things out.
People were expecting austin to heal a townie because they were suspicious of him. If he would not have healed you, he would have been lynched for sure today and we would not discuss right now at all. Healing a townie was his only possibility to try get through another lynchcycle.
I also dont think a replacing out zbos would have bothered to make the big post that he did right before the deadline if he was scum. It seems like to me zbos was just pouring all his thoughts from his perspective on what he thought was going on in the game.
If he was scum i think zbos would have just said fuck it and not said a word.
I don't see why or how this is alignment-indicative.
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Austin, i gave an answer to your case, you don't want to comment on it?
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