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Open questions:
Who healed Iamp on N2?
What happened with the whole Levitate vs. Roleblock deal with Drazerk?
Who hit Acro, Iamp, Clarity and Djodreff with 20, and 30 damage N1 and N2?
There is also quite a bit of small amounts of damage that is unclaimed. Syllo got hit for 50 on N1. Kita got hit for 50 on N2. TC got hit for 50 on N3. Zbo got hit for 75 on N4. Iamp got hit for 50 on N6.
Can we get claims for this damage please?
Making sense of Drazerk:
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Drazerk was actually hit for all the damage he claimed he didn't take. He had 500 health.
Lets count:
50 damage N1
126 damage N2
201 damage N3
50 damage on N4
0 on N5, N6 and N7.
Total before N8: 427
Either Oats' 75 damage or GK's shot finished him off. So all the missing damage on Drazerk could be accounted for by simply assuming he was lying about how much damage he took.
The levitate vs. roleblock thing still makes no sense to me. It's possible that the levitate is targeted: he has to choose someone (or someones) who cannot target him. My ability is targeted. I have to actually pick someone who cannot target me.
The lack of a sandwich also makes no sense unless someone roleblocked him tonight. Kita, did you RB Drazerk?
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On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability?
Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible.
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On December 08 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible. Ugh. I go to find another cycle you guys were there before I joined and there wasn't any nuke...but the only cycle that happened in Z-BosoN was MIA so it doesn't show anything.
So my second point isn't what I want it to be.
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Good morning!
Austin is z-Bo. I have no problems with this. Why are we going to 65m bc? I'll have to vote epoch today since I'll be traveling to a magic tournament tomorrow.
##vote: austinmcc
##Epoch: 65,000,000 BC
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yeah who healed me or who caused me to get healed
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On December 08 2012 00:47 iamperfection wrote:
yeah who healed me or who caused me to get healed wasn't me on N2, just last night.
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On December 08 2012 00:48 Promethelax wrote:
probably clarity.
he healed marv like i did n2
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On December 08 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible. Ugh. I go to find another cycle you guys were there before I joined and there wasn't any nuke...but the only cycle that happened in Z-BosoN was MIA so it doesn't show anything. So my second point isn't what I want it to be.
Yeah, I thought of this. You claimed future you could nuke and didn't on N3. Problem is that that is the night Marv died, which took a minimum of 550 KP.
Toad was roleblocked, Marv was not in risk's chatroom and I find it highly unlikely that SnB managed to guess Marv's name. That leaves whatever abilities the final scummer has + factional KP.
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On December 08 2012 00:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible. Ugh. I go to find another cycle you guys were there before I joined and there wasn't any nuke...but the only cycle that happened in Z-BosoN was MIA so it doesn't show anything. So my second point isn't what I want it to be. Yeah, I thought of this. You claimed future you could nuke and didn't on N3. Problem is that that is the night Marv died, which took a minimum of 550 KP. Toad was roleblocked, Marv was not in risk's chatroom and I find it highly unlikely that SnB managed to guess Marv's name. That leaves whatever abilities the final scummer has + factional KP. Any townies want to claim that damage or some of that damage? Z-BosoN didn't take an action Cycle 3.
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On December 08 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:58 Acrofales wrote:On December 08 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible. Ugh. I go to find another cycle you guys were there before I joined and there wasn't any nuke...but the only cycle that happened in Z-BosoN was MIA so it doesn't show anything. So my second point isn't what I want it to be. Yeah, I thought of this. You claimed future you could nuke and didn't on N3. Problem is that that is the night Marv died, which took a minimum of 550 KP. Toad was roleblocked, Marv was not in risk's chatroom and I find it highly unlikely that SnB managed to guess Marv's name. That leaves whatever abilities the final scummer has + factional KP. Any townies want to claim that damage or some of that damage? Z-BosoN didn't take an action Cycle 3.
Lets take a different approach. If you are not scum, then who is?
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On December 08 2012 01:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 00:58 Acrofales wrote:On December 08 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote:Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy.
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote:On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? Only usable in Antiquity? It's plausible. Ugh. I go to find another cycle you guys were there before I joined and there wasn't any nuke...but the only cycle that happened in Z-BosoN was MIA so it doesn't show anything. So my second point isn't what I want it to be. Yeah, I thought of this. You claimed future you could nuke and didn't on N3. Problem is that that is the night Marv died, which took a minimum of 550 KP. Toad was roleblocked, Marv was not in risk's chatroom and I find it highly unlikely that SnB managed to guess Marv's name. That leaves whatever abilities the final scummer has + factional KP. Any townies want to claim that damage or some of that damage? Z-BosoN didn't take an action Cycle 3. Lets take a different approach. If you are not scum, then who is? Will go look at the other possibilities.
Seriously though, someone claim that damage?
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are you asking for the scum to claim their shot?
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On December 08 2012 01:30 Promethelax wrote:
are you asking for the scum to claim their shot?
I know I didn't hit marv. I know that, from looking at the cycle posts, it doesn't seem like people have been getting BLOWN UP. I know syllo got hit for a chunk a few nights back, but there have been a lot of cycles without a death.
We know marv wasn't in risk's tent.
I didn't see anything where snb would know marv's name.
That takes out two big sources of scum damage, yet marv took a boatload. So I'm assuming SOME of that damage came from a town source, because it wasn't me, and that sounds like too much damage to be just scum given the KP we've seen from them.
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I think there is factional KP that doesn't depend on how many mafia are alive and thus the last mafia isn't personally responsible for 300 damage. There are some unsolved mysteries and the last mafia being someone who has some KP and can in addition heal/hp check/shield makes some sense. Whether the last mafia can perform more than one action per cycle is the question as it's relatively likely that austin healed iamperfection.
Personally I think it's more likely for a role consisting of three different people to be able to perform more than one action per cycle than the role having different abilities depending on the time period.
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This applies to a lot of people in the game, but if you are town and want to have other townies believe you are town, it would be helpful if you thought about your role and how you can get most of out of your role. This generally means not role claiming for no reason, not using inferior abilities (75 hp shielding vs 150 hp healing), not forgetting to send in actions and not using abilities that are inherently anti-town (flamethrower in most circumstances).
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On December 08 2012 01:47 syllogism wrote:
This applies to a lot of people in the game, but if you are town and want to have other townies believe you are town, it would be helpful if you thought about your role and how you can get most of out of your role. This generally means not role claiming for no reason, not using inferior abilities (75 hp shielding vs 150 hp healing), not forgetting to send in actions and not using abilities that are inherently anti-town (flamethrower in most circumstances). I can't help you with what Z-BosoN did.
I think you can look at my actions last night and see that I was actually doing this, however. I chose a target based on decent reasons, and it may have paid off if I'm responsible for iamperfection's bonuses. Don't know if it's the time period or the heal.
And whether you believe me or not, I think "maybe I should fire off a 300 nuke when I don't quite know what's going on yet" is also actually considering my role and thinking about what I was doing.
I know that you're not only talking to me here.
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the shield was not anti town on day 1 by zbos. If he didnt know who was going to take damage the shield made sense since i know through my role that healing doesn't increase the max hp unless stated otherwise. The shield on d2 didn't really make sense though.
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I don't know if you have a 300 nuke. Can you try to explain why you thought using a 75 hp shield is better than a 150 hp heal? I realize that claiming the role you did as mafia makes very little sense, but then again S&B managed to claim something that is even more damning.
It also makes sense to me for mafia to have some sort of hp checking ability and none of the flipped mafia roles had any. I also can't explain how Prom took 25 damage when I hit him for 75, unless someone messed with the damage (shielding?).
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On December 08 2012 02:01 syllogism wrote:
I don't know if you have a 300 nuke. Can you try to explain why you thought using a 75 hp shield is better than a 150 hp heal? I realize that claiming the role you did as mafia makes very little sense, but then again S&B managed to claim something that is even more damning.
It also makes sense to me for mafia to have some sort of hp checking ability and none of the flipped mafia roles had any. I also can't explain how Prom took 25 damage when I hit him for 75, unless someone messed with the damage (shielding?).
I used the shield on you because I had recently joined the game and had almost NO concept of everything that had happened. I still don't. You seemed generally accepted as town, and I know you've got some clout as a vet/scumhunter/etc. I didn't know if you'd taken damage or not, and was stretched a little thin, so I just threw the shield on you. 75 guaranteed shield better than some unknown amount of healing in my mind.
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EPT
