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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On December 07 2012 07:21 Promethelax wrote: Phagga: why did you filter dive Hopeless over GK? I've started with it on Tuesday (ironically shortly before GK asked me to do a case on Hope), so it was something I had been working on for a while already. Back then, I did not see the need yet to question my read on GK. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On December 07 2012 12:18 kitaman27 wrote: Could we get a roleclaim from phagga? If he really can absorb abilities, it would seem quite imbalanced for town if he just claimed and gained heals/clarity's reset/investigative powers/cave's nuke. He hasn't really shown that he's trying to abuse his role if this is how it works. I am Kino. I am from 65,000,000 BC. My flavor says that kino is good at stealing and getting to places undetected. Therefore, from all the abilities used on me one night, one is chosen randomly and given to me for usage next night. Unfortunately, I am not told what that ability does, what it's name is, or anything. I am just told that I have a night ability, and that's it. That is the reason why I worded the following post this way: Because I assumed I would hit GK with 75 damage. If someone however had also used a DT check on me the night I got damaged for 75 HP, it would have been possible that I would use the DT check on GK instead of the damage. If we are in 65,000,000 BC, I get more information about the ability I can use. However, as in pretty much every game I play, I am to uninteresting for either Town or Mafia to use their abilities on me, and therefore, I have only been targeted once. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Hopeless Pretty sure he's not scum. His reactions towards cases against him have been really townie overall. He also seems more engaged in this game than I've ever seen him. Also, him shooting me for 222 makes him town in my eyes. Scum don't want to shoot potential mislynch targets - they want to waste lynches on them. His shot on me doesn't make too much sense strategically from a scum perspective. Adam His meta overall is pretty lurky, though he seems to be even more lurky and disinterested in his scum games. This game, he's been fairly engaged, and I tend to agree with a lot of what he's been saying. I think he's town. Phagga He hasn't done very much, but my gut just says town here for some reason. He very calmly and collectedly defended himself against my cases on him, and him speculating that SnB could flip third party seemed very odd from a scum perspective (it didn't read as fake either). I still think he's possibly scum, but I find it more likely that austin will flip red. Austinmcc/Z-Boson There are a couple of factors against him atm: 1) The shield on me N1 and the unaccounted 75 damage on myself. I'm hesitant to draw too much from this (still unflipped scum abilities after all), but it is certainly one thing to consider. Also, I'll ask the mods to confirm my damage PM from N2. 2) Austin being fixated on lynching Acro. This strikes me as pretty scummy - it reads like he's trying to push forward a 3rd party lynch rather than scumhunting. 3) Z-Bo's seemingly weak logic for reads (such as his SnB case). 4) Soft defending risk.nuke However, there are some significant points in his favor 1) It's pretty much confirmed that Austin healed Z-Boson. 2) His claim seems pretty believable flavor and power-wise. I don't think the points in his favor are enough to save him at this point. It's very plausible that scum have a healer, and the claim could well be fake. There's more against him than the other options, and I'll vote him until he shows me otherwise. ##Vote Austinmcc | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
What's your current stance on GK? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On December 07 2012 10:57 goodkarma wrote: Quick question: As best I can tell from the spreadsheet, no one has an ability that does 75 damage directly to a target (the closest I can find is 75 indirect damage as effect of Hapa's claimed "flamethrower" ability. So exactly whose ability could phagga have "copied" when he shot me? That is a pretty good question I've asked myself. I imagine there are two reasons why someone would shoot me:
All this can be cleared up rather nicely, however: Can the person damaging me for 75 HP please claim?. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:26 Hapahauli wrote: @ Phagga What's your current stance on GK? Running out of time. Not sure why people think GK is confirmed town only because he was in the tent, but probably need to reread risks flip info. Have not done reevaluation of my read on GK yet, therefore still think he is scum and risk used the ability on him to make him look townier. More on this later. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I claim the 75 on phagga Wait wut? Since when do you have a 75 damage ability? What are all your abilities? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
On December 07 2012 12:41 iamperfection wrote: i got 50 damage and a role bock as well that wasn't claimed Fairly certain your roleblock was claimed by Prom. You said you healed Clarity the night that Prom said he shielded him. I am not seeing where Oats claimed the 75 damages that have been flying around, however for the whole N1 shield on Hapa it seems quite obvious to me. Unless scum did 175 damage, either Zbo or Hapa is lying. I will have to go over Hapa's filter again and risk.nuke's filter might contain some associative tells: at least he has more content than any of the scum we flipped before. For the meantime, lets try to figure out night actions. Did anybody target Hapa with anything on N1 or N2? If Hapa is lying and Zbo telling the truth, it is possible Hapa did his flame thrower thingy and inadvertently did damage to himself. If Zbo is lying, then there probably is no damage shield. Claimed actions targeting Hapa: I see a heal from Iamperfection. Iamperfection didn't claim being hit by 100 damage, so there was no flamethrower there. I see a self-target of the flame protect from Hapa. Even if we assume that was a lie, it still doesn't explain 75 damage. Unclaimed: Dieno targeting Hapa still makes no sense of the damage. Sandro was roleblocked into dead. VE targeted Kita. SnB and risk.nuke don't have a 75 damage shot. So none of the dead people seem to have targeted Hapa. Nothing that has been claimed so far can explain the missing damage. If you targeted Hapa on N1 or N2 for any reason, please say so now. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
Syllo - was in the tent, successful party and nailed Sandro and SnB TC - nailed Toad when there was no reason for it from a scum perspective. Overall townie filter GK - was in the tent, all scum tried to get him killed (except risk) Prom - was shot by SnB, abilities pan out Oats - was shot by SnB, was on a successful party, abilities pan out Iamperfection - I was going to put him with the strong reads, but saw some weird things with his heals. Please claim who you targeted on N7? Kita - scum seems too weird. Could be 3P with a good fakeclaim. However, town for now. Hapa - Syllo roleblocked him last night and he went nowhere. Forgot to send in abilities. Also filter is moderately townie. Negative points for weird claim and being in quite a number of claim controversies. H1 - filter-based I say town. Ability is consistent and makes sense lore-wise. However, his targets have not been verified. Damage on Drazerk is outright missing. Cannot verify damage on Toad. Only confirmed shot is Hapa. Phagga - cannot verify based on abilities. Filter is moderately townie, but not much there. Adam - same story. Zbo/austin - claim is not making sense so far. Null filter. Elimination game makes him scum. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
Acro - Friendly 3P  Pushed hard against Toad when Sandro was on the line. Helped nail SnB. Has been after risk.nuke since D3.Also, there seems to be a heal missing on N8. I presume Clarity healed someone before he died? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
##Lynch: austinmcc ##Epoch: Prehistory | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
On December 07 2012 22:39 iamperfection wrote: healed oats on cycle 7 he said he was at full health Okay, that makes sense. I also forgot the reason you were a strong read in the first place was all that ruckus around Hapa not getting healed. Move yourself back up to the strong town reads. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18211 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote: However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me? 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:33 Acrofales wrote: 150 damage from risk and 300 from Austin makes sense. However, that would assume Austin can target whoever he likes (in antiquity at least). Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I shielded syllo when I joined because I was in over my head and didn't know who had taken damage and who was townie. Shielding someone who it looked like was agreed upon as proven to be town made sense. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:48 austinmcc wrote: Wut. This is a bunch of votes. Now I can get lynched in TWO games, joy. Yes, but I can't. (1) A 300 damage nuke with no restrictions doesn't make sense given what we've seen (Adam gets 200 from guessing, SnB had 250 from knowing a name, risk had some but had to mason the person). (2) Are there any other instances of 300 unclaimed damage? If not, then, assuming I'm scum, why would I only just now have hit someone with that ability? there have been a lot of hits on town players for large amounts. Especially earlier in the game. Adam is probably town SnB also reduced max hp Risk had awesome mason powers and various bullshit I don't think that a 300hp nuke is too crazy for a mafia player to have | ||
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