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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:49 Dienosore wrote: In the QT: goodkarma 11-27-2012 07:13 PM ET (US) On TL: November 28 2012 09:57 Dieno here didn't account for the timezone difference. TL forums have Korean time zone stamp. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:41 Dienosore wrote: Except you fail to mention that you put that exact same list in the mason qt before you posted it here. Now, I'm not sure why you felt the need to throw all that info to the public? Giving cases on scum is fine, but copy/pasting your notepad list of reads on half of the people of the game just doesn't make sense to me... Maybe you were scared Syllo was going to expose it, and so you decided to post here in the forums before he did as a bit of damage control? I really dislike the fact that GK is arguing that his own meta doesn't match. If he's aware of his meta, he can abuse it and anything he says is now WIFOM. Reading his response to Promethelax's case, he spends way too much time being upset and pulling the 'y u no read filter' card. He also calls the case bad a number of times instead of addressing it properly. The prime example is: He allows himself a way to vote away from Sand which is just a sheep vote. A pre-excused sheep vote. That is totally a thing townies + Show Spoiler + never Really? Townies never sheep? This is an absolutely ridiculous statement I will just leave it at that… And I clearly explained there were other aspects that led me to suspect Sand was scum. Townies don't create preconceived reasons to sheep, which was what Promethelax was saying. Claiming your vote on Sand was pressure gives you a way to jump off of him, while looking the part of concerned townie. It is the very thing that scum would do to ensure they can go with the flow. But instead of addressing the scum motive and explaining why he wasn't doing that, he calls the accusation ridiculous and pushes ahead. I personally consider self-voting a scumtell in most situations. There is no townie reasoning more powerful than LYNCH SCUM. Intentionally playing against your win-con creates an emotional argument instead of a rational one, and emotional arguments lead to raging, yelling, and chaos. If you are town, you should never have to vote for yourself. We should have access to his night actions via the players he's masoned with. I'm trusting them to reveal if things don't look right until we have a chance to properly lynch him. I have a marginal scumread on GK. Reading Phagga's responses next | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:46 Dienosore wrote: I appreciate your support, Kita, but please do not include me into the party. Unless someone comes through with some clutch moves, I'm probably out. Ive been the target of 450~ dmg every night, so logic says this is my last night. What makes you think you were targeted with around 450 damage on N2 or N3? Can't find it in your filter. Also, going through filters and figuring out the claims is a shitton of work. Not sure why I volunteered  I do have some weird leads that are going to need sorting out later. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 30 2012 20:09 syllogism wrote: It's very likely that mafia has some protective abilities considering my 75 dmg shot only hit Prom for 25. I think him claiming the damage as only 25 is towny, however. It's quite possible that mafia protected him because they knew he was likely going to be shot and it would make him even more suspicious. I think you are giving to much credit to me for claiming less damage than you aimed at me. Based on the number of healing/weird roles in the game I wouldn't be too surprised to see a 'damage watcher' or something to that effect. I think scum probably, optimally, has to claim accurately. Not that I'm unhappy with you reading me as town obviously but still... How many tracks can you use in a single night? On November 30 2012 23:15 iamperfection wrote: and i know you said you forgot to send the action im asking if your sure  I am, unfortunately, very sure. Still feeling dumb. Why? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:17 goodkarma wrote: Dieno here didn't account for the timezone difference. TL forums have Korean time zone stamp. assuming all qt's hare timezones it is 1:14, nov 30 in a qt right now. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:16 Promethelax wrote: assuming all qt's hare timezones it is 1:14, nov 30 in a qt right now. which is 14 hours behind tl time. So 9:13 nov 28 tl time which is about 45 minutes earlier. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNnc Not making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I don't think there are lots of unclaimed roleblocks, if any. Signs point towards sandro being the only mafia roleblocker unless mafia just prefers to use some other ability over roleblock. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:34 syllogism wrote: The item I received allowed me to inflict damage in addition to my normal night action I don't think there are lots of unclaimed roleblocks, if any. Signs point towards sandro being the only mafia roleblocker unless mafia just prefers to use some other ability over roleblock. Risk claimed roleblocked N2 without it being claimed. You claimed roleblocked N2 without it being claimed. Drazerk claimed roleblocked N3 without it being claimed. Toad claimed roleblocked N3 without it beling claimed. Of course, it's doubtful this is true. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I explained EXACTLY what I didn't like about Prom's case, it had nothing to do with the fact that he made the case itself, which is what GK would have you believe. It had to do with Prom paraphrasing posts. I explicitly said that I didn't necessarily disagree with the case at the time, so I don't even know what GK is going on about. I'm looking into the failed mission peeps now. Probably won't get a chance to post about it (work beckons -.-) but that's what I'm doing. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:45 iamperfection wrote: im trying to figure out how i got healed prom Yeah, that's another one. I just assumed it's one of the unclaimed things. Adam has claimed nothing so far, for instance. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
It's possible that there are roles that have a passive/active ability that roleblocks anyone who visits them or something, I suppose. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Imp: me no can heal. | ||
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote: I think sandroba roleblocked me n2 if actions and lynch are processed simultaneously. I do not believe risk was roleblocked or if he was, it was by a third party for no apparent reason. It is certainly extremely unlikely for mafia to roleblock risk over some of the claimed roles. It's possible that he was roleblocked by a town aligned roleblocker, but I've asked the person in question to claim and I think he would have. I didn't know about drazerk claiming roleblock n3 though. It's possible that there are roles that have a passive/active ability that roleblocks anyone who visits them or something, I suppose. Steven seagal comes to mind with that. Also I didn't even take damage with Kitas (apparent) second attack so I think someone is messing with Kita rather than protecting me. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:48 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, that's another one. I just assumed it's one of the unclaimed things. Adam has claimed nothing so far, for instance. i was thinking maybe some sort of "mirror" used on marv because not many people thought me as super town yet. Unless someone saw my role crumbs but they were very clever so i doubt that. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:50 Promethelax wrote: A thought Acro, you said you had 9 abilities right? And draz has 27, but only learns about two a night? I doubt it, three seems much more logical. Imp: me no can heal. i was thinking of your second ability. | ||
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