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@Acro
I was not asking you if you were 3P. I was just stating what conclusions I've made so far about controversial stuff. Glad to see you out in the open. I'm inclined to believe you for the moment. Your previous claim was obvious imo 
Regarding Z-Bo and Hopeless, there is no associative stuff on them, but my intuition tells me there is one scum among them.
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On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit...
I have a tendency to pull last minute shenanigans. People may have suspected that I'd "save" Toad again. I'm not going to do that. I was under the impression that we were going to get a lynch the last time. I was wrong and I have no intentions of fucking that up again.
On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:
then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches"
like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself...
tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me
NO HE'S A LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE NYAH NYAH NYAH.
It wasn't a redcheck, it was a parity check, and Acro has claimed 3rd party. I'll admit, I skipped that option, but when I think parity, I think town or scum, which incidentally is what Acro KNEW were my alignment options (assuming he is 3rd party).
On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:
then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town
Are you aware that I claimed protection? Someone tried to stop me from taking damage last night. They will be unsuccessful tonight if they attempt to do so again. So they should go about preventing damage elsewhere. I doubt it was marv because math doesn't work out.
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On November 28 2012 09:11 GreYMisT wrote:4
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Okay guys, I have like ten minutes. I've read the thread, the happenings and everything. First of all, I took 75 damage last cycle. I assume it was a townie prodding me, but I guess it could have been scum. Doubtful for obvious reasons, but possible. It was flavorless.
+ Show Spoiler +[speculation]
I'm wondering how important it is for us to actually SUCCEED the missions. Think about it this way: if we keep sending the same players over and over again, all we're going to get is...successful missions? I thought at first that the lynch mechanic was tied to the success or failure of missions, but as this last day has proven, that's not necessarily the case.
As such.
Because we cannot depend on a lynch for flip information, we must rely upon the missions to get us concrete information about peoples' motives. We should be selecting teams for the missions NOT with the sole focus of SUCCEEDING at the missions, but rather to gain THE MOST INFORMATION POSSIBLE from the missions.
I'd like syllogism to check my math here, but with a successful mission last cycle, I was depending on a lynch THIS cycle. It didn't happen.
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Toad is almost certainly scum...he should absolutely be our next lynch if we get another lynch.
Hapa is looking better to me since I last posted, but I'm still having issues. He's pushing a player I also find to be incredibly suspicious in Promethelax, so I'm at a crossroads.
@Hapahauli
Your observation about Prom's opinion of you is compelling. How convinced are you of this Acro connection you're seeing re: the Toad case? Let's assume Toad flips third party as you suspect: who would you rather lynch? Prom or Acro?
@Town
I'm also not liking strongandbig's contributions to the game, but as it's mostly based around inactivity, I'm letting that one go. Hopefully he makes good on his promise to contribute more now that he's claimed his RL issues are over.
Mine are not. I still have a lot going on and may not get a whole lot of time to post. Just fair warning guys.
I may be able to get to a couple of questions, but act fast guys. I understand that I don't have much in the way of content to refer to, but if you can think of anything I can tell you to help you divine my alignment, I'm here now. Lay it on me.
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On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious...
You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest?
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Jesus Christ Acro claimed third?! How did I miss that?!
UGH
To be fair I skimmed quite a bit (there were like over 300 posts to catch up on before I read the thread) so I guess give me a few to unskim and get some fucking FACTS.
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On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest?
So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O
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On November 28 2012 09:11 GreYMisT wrote:4
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Remove the first 10 and it makes sense. +2 -3 +4 -5. Next one should be at 24:00 KST.
Still don't ask me what the fuck this means, though.
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On November 28 2012 09:26 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest? So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O
Dafuq you talking about. You attack SnB over having a bad case. While I don't find his case particularly convincing, I don't see any motivation for your soft defense of H1. Enlighten us.
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Nvm, I'm a derp. Number 3 should be at 01:00 KST.
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On November 28 2012 09:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:26 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest? So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O Dafuq you talking about. You attack SnB over having a bad case. While I don't find his case particularly convincing, I don't see any motivation for your soft defense of H1. Enlighten us.
Calm your nipples. I'm working on my case now...
As a side note, though: speculating on Greymist's counter is pointless. If I were Greymist, I'd leave the counter at one for three days just to fuck with us.
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i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond
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On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond
Agreed. I made that case already. I do admit that it came in the middle of my drunk spamming spree, so I don't blame anybody for missing it:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.
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On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond
So how would it be different then? How, in your opinion, would a townie have responded to hopeless's situation?
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On November 28 2012 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Hapahauli
Your observation about Prom's opinion of you is compelling. How convinced are you of this Acro connection you're seeing re: the Toad case? Let's assume Toad flips third party as you suspect: who would you rather lynch? Prom or Acro?
It really doesn't do us any good if your one post per day is going to be so blatantly misconstrued. We get it, you're not reading the thread.
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kitaman27
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I know the countdown has been linked to Lavos, but I'm not sure if someone has brought this up yet:
If I recall correctly, there is a countdown from 10 during the boss battle with Azala (the reptile queen). This might be the identity of one of the remaining scum characters. When the battle ends, Lavos falls out of the sky. It seems pretty likely that we will end up in the prehistoric cycle next.
Catching up on the thread now.
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On November 28 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond Agreed. I made that case already. I do admit that it came in the middle of my drunk spamming spree, so I don't blame anybody for missing it: Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.
You were drunk when you posted that? No wonder your reading comprehension skills were so bad 
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I see I kinda fubar'd it up too. My point was: the post is way too carefully phrased to be a townie who thinks he was framed or I were scum. Seeing that check as a townie, the first thing that would come to my mind is "Hopeless1der is scum". Lets yell that as loud as I can. What we CAN see from H1's post is that he does NOT consider 3p, therefore he *should* be yelling this at the top of his lungs.
A simple: ok, TC, your check means Acro is scum or I was framed. The very lack of that is just extremely telling. Combine that with all the overly careful wording and we have a scum who cannot for the life of him imagine how a townie would react and posts this drivel instead.
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Well I guess that's that then.
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