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On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps.
For what it's worth, I'll check back into this thread and change my vote to Toad if this indeed becomes the case.
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On November 25 2012 05:57 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence. Don't apologize. We've come to expect you to contribute nothing of value. Maybe provide an actual opinion and vote? That would be nice.
Probably do it closer to the deadline. Which ever wagon I join will be hampered just by my presence.
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On November 25 2012 06:06 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:57 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence. Don't apologize. We've come to expect you to contribute nothing of value. Maybe provide an actual opinion and vote? That would be nice. Probably do it closer to the deadline. Which ever wagon I join will be hampered just by my presence.
Yadda yadda yadda. Kita claims he shot you and you took less damage than you should have, yet he took none. Which one of you is lying?
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On November 25 2012 05:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 04:30 marvellosity wrote:
Interesting. I will have to cogitate because my first inclination is to believe this. Where do you stand with Cave now. Do you still see him as null and someone who should be left alone?
I want Cave to answer for himself as he appears to be somewhat in the thread.
Cave, what say you to what kita claimed (a shot on you that went through at half HP).
Unlike Acro/others I'm perfectly happy sheeping syllogism if it comes down to that. I prefer a sandroba lynch to a Toad lynch.
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On November 25 2012 06:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 06:06 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 25 2012 05:57 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence. Don't apologize. We've come to expect you to contribute nothing of value. Maybe provide an actual opinion and vote? That would be nice. Probably do it closer to the deadline. Which ever wagon I join will be hampered just by my presence. Yadda yadda yadda. Kita claims he shot you and you took less damage than you should have, yet he took none. Which one of you is lying?
Betrayal would be OP if it worked on more than 1 target now wouldn't it. Can't explain the lack of damage though I agree with him I think someone was retarded or misdirected.
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On November 25 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:03 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 04:30 marvellosity wrote:
Interesting. I will have to cogitate because my first inclination is to believe this. Where do you stand with Cave now. Do you still see him as null and someone who should be left alone? I want Cave to answer for himself as he appears to be somewhat in the thread. Cave, what say you to what kita claimed (a shot on you that went through at half HP). Unlike Acro/others I'm perfectly happy sheeping syllogism if it comes down to that. I prefer a sandroba lynch to a Toad lynch.
What do you think of Toad, then?
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that he's useless and uncharacteristically quiet for either alignment.
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Isn't that the same description you gave Sandro?
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On November 25 2012 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
that he's useless and uncharacteristically quiet for either alignment.
Do you find that indicative of alignment?
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As a reminder, you have 1 hour and 40 minutes to get your votes and Night actions into me
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the fact that I can't see the motivation for either alignment doesn't lead me to believe necessarily that it's scum motivated like you Acro.
If sandroba didn't exist I would be considering it more strongly, especially as kita doesn't appear to be an option and after his revelation i'm not entirely sure I want kita to be an option.
##unvote anyways
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Day 2 Lynch Count!
Sandroba (11): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Adam4167, goodkarma, risk.nuke, strongandbig, syllogism, TheChronicler, Hapahauli, Promethelax, Toadesstern, Viscera Eyes, kitaman27
BioSC (0): Djodref
CaveJohnson (1): Djodref, phagga
TheChronicler (1): Djodref, Acrofales, Hopeless1der
Promethelax (0): Hapahauli
kitaman27 (0): Djodref, marvellosity
goodkarma (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (4): Acrofales, Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, Djodref
About 1 Hour and 40 minutes until voting Closes
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sandroba should be mixing it up with everyone with this much suspicion on him and dropping reads. He is a position to help town if he is town and he is not doing it which tells me he is scum.
## Vote sandroba
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An option we have is to put the lynch on someone like cave, nuke, hopeless or thechronicler, switch back to sandroba if he shows up within the last hour, or nuke him tonight if the switch back is unsuccessful.
Are people willing to switch?
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To cave, nuke, hopeless or TC? Not really.
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are you happening to suggest a last hour vote switch there Kita...
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On November 25 2012 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
An option we have is to put the lynch on someone like cave, nuke, hopeless or thechronicler, switch back to sandroba if he shows up within the last hour, or nuke him tonight if the switch back is unsuccessful.
Are people willing to switch?
i'm not playing to modkill. in syllo i trust.
##vote: sandroba
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On November 25 2012 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
An option we have is to put the lynch on someone like cave, nuke, hopeless or thechronicler, switch back to sandroba if he shows up within the last hour, or nuke him tonight if the switch back is unsuccessful.
Are people willing to switch?
im always up for shenanigans.
I would be against lynching thechronicler and hopeless though
Cronicler for reasons i have stated earlier
Hopeless has been fairly active for himself i would have to take more closer look at his actual content
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Okay, family finally gone home. Catching up on the thread before deadline.
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@TheChronicle
On November 24 2012 15:08 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? 1) Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/837/f64/b8f/resized/da-fuck-meme-generator-da-fuck-297845.jpg) Really, no contradiction? At all? 2) Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2. 2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan. This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter: On November 21 2012 12:33 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix. I'll take the information given by that choice over information given by a leader choosing based on his "reads". Seems pretty simple to me. Do you want information from the choice of one person, or do you want information given from the choices of three people (four, kind of, since you still get information from who the leader chooses)? But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not? I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??. Lol the root quote has you saying Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all? THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually. 2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this?
1) I assumed the contradiction you were referring to was the two-line post you were responding to, not acro's post.
2) Ugh this makes little sense. Keir is not saying syllo is near confirmed scum. This doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever. Anyways, from your comment on keir it seems you are bunch oblivious to what ppl say and you have a reaaally weird thought process.
Anyways, perhaps I'm being too based upon on your contradictions and shit, and I realize that (somehow) you actually believed that what you were saying was. Anyways, I don't see how exactly your play is mafia-oriented, so I'll 180 and say you are town, for now.
Regarding my vote
I know I said earlier that I expected other people to easily be able to figure out sand, but I never figured it'd be this fast, this easy, and with so little discussion. I really don't like how easily his wagon took off, especially given the fact that syllo, who is basically telling people to sheep him, has disappeared (despite saying he was going to be more active today). This smells really fishy, and is not how I expected it to go down, at all.
Also, it grew extremely quickly, so either mafia decided to bus him fast or they actually want him dead. I'm inclined to think the latter, given that he's a strong player.
Additionally, sand seems to be heading into modkill-land. I really think this is a wasted lynch, especially when he said that he was going to be afk.
Right now I'd rather lynch prome (or even iamp), but I can live with a Toad lynch. Since we need to consolidate, and I don't have much time right now, I'll just go ahead and vote toad. Like I noted earlier, his play is totally different from when he was trying to look townie, and Acro's case is convincing enough. I'll comment more when I have more time. Have to go right now, but will post from cell phone should anyone have any questions.
Anyways, ##Vote Toaddestern.
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