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On November 25 2012 05:33 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:28 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:I'll read his filter a bit closer, one of his latest posts I like quite a bit, it's still not scumhunting though, I admit: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:Okay done reading. Marv looks definitely better d2 so I'll ignore him for now. Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left. So much for the changes for d1 to d2. Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all. TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards. Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote:On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote:
screw that
##vote Sandro I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...] I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts. I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person  Why do you like that? It's actually a terrible post. He says he's null on marv, troll on drazerk and gives some waffling account of that he wants other people to tell him what to think of chronicler. He calls Dienosore useless (or unintelligible at best). Way to be COMPLETELY noncommittal. What is there to like in that post? What I am still missing is an explanation for why he voted Sandro. On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. This, and the fact that he thinks there is a scum in Syllo+Sandro, are the only reasons he gives for wanting to lynch Sandro. If Sandro flips town, it is impossible to peg Toad to this lynch. So if we sheep you instead and vote for Toad, for reasons similar to why people are voting Sandro, how does that make us better off? If Toad flips town, isn't it the same kind of scenario? Or is it that sandro seems to have massive support, and that it must be mafia-influenced? With as little as Sandro has tried to establish himself as town this game, if he is scum I would fully expect his team would bus him, especially with Syllo on his lynch bandwagon. I'm not telling you to sheep me, although I guess I would be honored. I am asking you to read my case, read Toad's filter and make up your own mind. I have voiced my opinion. I will try to sway the general public with lots of armwaving and explaining why Toad is scum, but in the end it's YOU who has to make up your mind. So. Why do YOU think Sandro is scum. Fairly certain you're one of those people who is sheeping Syllo for no apparent reason other than Syllo says, so it must be so.
If you were to read my filter, you would know:
On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote:
I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven.
I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit...
I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman
Yes, there is a bit of "sheeping" on my part there. But in the absence of a better scum read, on Sandro is where my vote will stay. I have heard nothing from you that convinces me that Toad is any more likely to flip scum than Sandro is, or even that getting Toad lynched instead will provide any additional information.
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Although I realize that if Sandro is scum he would be bussed by his teammates, that fact that there has been ZERO defense of him other than people calling the wagon stupid makes me very paranoid.
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@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.
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On November 25 2012 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Voting sandroba for now. 24 hours of inactivity is reasonable. 72 hours isn't.
I suggest a full role claim from him upon his return.
Still quite annoyed that prom hasn't showed up.
I am so far not seeing the scum in Prom. However, I am not seeing the town in Prom either, and that alone is causing me to be very cautious with him. His absence after that claim, though, bugs me too.
What do you think of Toad?
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On November 25 2012 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Although I realize that if Sandro is scum he would be bussed by his teammates, that fact that there has been ZERO defense of him other than people calling the wagon stupid makes me very paranoid.
Why you disregard my defense of him?
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In fact, it's not just me. There are quite a number of people reluctant to vote him. And the "the wagon is retarded" defense IS a defense.
However, Toad is scum.
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If sandro was scum, why would he have stopped his campaign and gona AWOL when he started to get some traction ?
There are some better people to lynch.
Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!?
##Unvote
Vote Toad
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 05:44 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Voting sandroba for now. 24 hours of inactivity is reasonable. 72 hours isn't.
I suggest a full role claim from him upon his return.
Still quite annoyed that prom hasn't showed up. I am so far not seeing the scum in Prom. However, I am not seeing the town in Prom either, and that alone is causing me to be very cautious with him. His absence after that claim, though, bugs me too.
I still have a town read on prom.
As for toad, I'm haven't looked into him and I just started a game of LoL. I'll reread his filter afterwards, though I probably wouldn't lynch him today.
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On November 25 2012 05:46 Acrofales wrote:
In fact, it's not just me. There are quite a number of people reluctant to vote him. And the "the wagon is retarded" defense IS a defense.
However, Toad is scum.
The fact that I don't even recall you trying to defend him should be indicative of how much I thought of it. Your case on Toad on the other hand makes a lot of sense.
"The wagon is retarded" is a terrible defense and more of an issue with wagons than an issue with lynching toad. People just don't want people to sheep their vote and go afk.
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On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.
This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.
I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.
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On November 25 2012 05:46 Djodref wrote:
If sandro was scum, why would he have stopped his campaign and gona AWOL when he started to get some traction ?
There are some better people to lynch.
Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!?
##Unvote
Vote Toad
I already addressed this. There are two motivations for scum to run for election.
1) Run to win and make town fail the mission.
2) Convenient excuse to not scumhunt, just drop out later.
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Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence.
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Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps.
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On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence.
Where were you? Also, I asked questions about your claim. Kita asked questions about your claim. I think there's a general consensus that it's bollocks. Unsurprising. You need a new approach to shocking town.
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On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence.
Don't apologize. We've come to expect you to contribute nothing of value.
Maybe provide an actual opinion and vote? That would be nice.
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On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps.
You're the second to mention a modkill on Sandro. Did I miss something?
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On November 25 2012 05:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence. Where were you? Also, I asked questions about your claim. Kita asked questions about your claim. I think there's a general consensus that it's bollocks. Unsurprising. You need a new approach to shocking town.
My approach this game is to tell the truth then shock you with my flip
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On November 25 2012 05:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:46 Djodref wrote:
If sandro was scum, why would he have stopped his campaign and gona AWOL when he started to get some traction ?
There are some better people to lynch.
Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!?
##Unvote
Vote Toad I already addressed this. There are two motivations for scum to run for election. 1) Run to win and make town fail the mission. 2) Convenient excuse to not scumhunt, just drop out later.
Those excuses work for pretty much everybody except Sandro or Syllo. When you have a high profile like that, you cannot graciously drop out, as we saw yesterday.
I am inclined to believe Sandro when he says RL got in the way. However, RL is not town or scum. His subsequent behaviour has not made sense. But Toad is scummier.
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On November 25 2012 05:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps. You're the second to mention a modkill on Sandro. Did I miss something?
He hasn't voted.
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On November 25 2012 05:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps. You're the second to mention a modkill on Sandro. Did I miss something?
Voting is mandatory - he hasn't voted and time is ticking down
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