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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 29 2012 23:37 GMT
#981
I remember a lot of CC but not you. Will look into it tonight.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 29 2012 23:41 GMT
#982
On November 30 2012 08:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
So I shouldve just let you guys mislynch me?
I breadcrumb like, I healing SDM?
I really couldnt think of 1.
Isnt that why its good play as blue? so that scum are totally not suspicious of me.


No, if you're doc your claim is fine (or at least what I likely would've done, it's hard for you to know the feeling of the remaining players and how difficult it will be to stop the lynch). If you're scum it's definitely a good play though, because it can force a claim.

I might as well let the cat out of the bag on that one now. That's the reason I got pissed of at Kicks and asked him if he was scum. His reaction to your claim felt unnatural to me. He got pissed off AND seemed to say the claim, even if real, was bad play. I didn't get pissed at all and thought it would've been the obvious play if Oats was doc. I got shocked and pretty excited to find out what was going. Even though bad for town claims like that adds to the excitement of the game. It felt to me like Kicks was scum trying to emulate townie emotions.

Now admittedly I'm sure even among townies reactions can be different. If you're townie and you were around for the claim, think about what emotion it induced in you.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 29 2012 23:42 GMT
#983
I remember a lot of CC but not you. Will look into it tonight.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 29 2012 23:45 GMT
#984
On November 30 2012 08:42 yamato77 wrote:
I remember a lot of CC but not you. Will look into it tonight.


He was the first to vote on you and pushed it for a longer while, but he was second on the ball to all my arguments. That was even part of my original case on him.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
November 29 2012 23:58 GMT
#985
Votecount:

Oatsmaster (6): Jacob Strangelove,Sonic Death Monkey,Kickstart,Aquanim,Yamato77,Sonic Death Monkey,Kickstart,Mr. Cheesecake
Jacob Strangelove (0) HeloKnight,Oatsmaster
Yamato77(1):Oatsmaster
Not voting (1):HeloKnight


If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us.
Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched

3 hours remain


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:05 GMT
#986
CC is scum
I am going through this again.

On November 30 2012 07:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh God a blueclaim from Oats wtf

Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue.

On November 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
At the people saying Yamato Oats scumteam, that was my read D1 until I went into retardmode. After the flip I think I mentioned it. I'm nearly positive at least one of them is scum, but people like Aqua, Helo and Jacob I'm still wary of because I can't get a concrete read on them.

Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now.


He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF?

On November 28 2012 23:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Idk if he has class from 10-3 i doubt that's vacation so idk lol


On November 28 2012 23:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh wait, vacation until Friday, meaning this Friday?


On November 28 2012 23:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much.

Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case.

On November 28 2012 23:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Got a few mins between classes. Helo seems utterly disconnected from the game right now. We're in the same time zone, I have school etc also but I don't see much from him. The only time he pops up is whenever I call him out on something or so he can give the dreaded list of reads.


What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER.

On November 28 2012 07:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eh, I just don't see much town motivation from him. Marv told me that looking for motivation in posts was key to unlocking the pieces of the puzzle. What's the purpose for his posts? I don't see much townie motiv for it. I made that longass post to point out of all the fallacies in town motivation, combined with his tendency to not do much in this thread other than soft-attack people. and spread a little suspicion without much evidence

I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:05 GMT
#987
##Unvote
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
No gg, No skill.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:07 GMT
#988
On November 30 2012 06:38 HeloKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 15:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
About the case on Jacob

I can see where it's coming from and I've shared those feelings. I think they partly came from paranoia and me not being sure of anything though. I've become a bit more calm and I'm not throwing around suspicions towards everyone anymore is because I feel pretty damn good about a Oats lynch. Now, to me, it looks like Oats is trying desperately to save his ass by sheeping a case he knows at least one other player share.

As far as the arguments go, I agree Jacob is throwing out a lot of ideas without reaching conclusions and I think this can be a scum trait. However, Jacob also did this in his town game, so for him it's not necessarily a scum trait. I would also say that if you look at his posts as a whole, a lot of his comments and questions seems to be motivated by curiosity. If you're making a lot of posts some are bound to look wishy-washy and like bad contributions and those are the ones Helo points out. Again, in XXVI Jacob had a tendency to comment on whatever came to mind and some of his comments (probably more of them than in this game) were really not very helpful.

As for his actions around deadline, I was thinking your same things about his reasonings for voting Munk-E. It was one of these "I'm almost going to go after him now" kind of moments. BUT I don't think this necessarily signifies a scum mindset either, it could just be the result of confusion. It's quite similar to CC and myself. I know I'm town, I think CC is town, so I don't see why I should accuse Jacob of something similar. There's also the same wifom argument I made in defense of CC. If Jacob is scum, why even bother to switch to Munk-E? While wifom, it's enough to render his vote switching as kind of a null tell to me.

That being said, if Oats flip town, I'm afraid my world will come crashing down again

I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw.

Looking at XXVI, I do see a lot of this "wishy-washy" style of posting that he was doing and a lot of conclusion-less posts. It feels scummy to me, but I guess it's just something that he does. What game was he scum in? I need to see if he does this as scum too.
As for the voting, Jacob didn't say that he felt confused, he said that he "had doubts about my yamato case". I don't see it as similar to what Cheesecake claims (and your vote was the result of confusion). The votes were pretty close between Munk, yamato, and Kickstart when Jacob switched, so I can see scum motivation in that.
Anyway, this is rather irrelevant for now since I'm not considering Jacob as a lynch possibility today anymore. I will keep an eye on him for later though.

On Oats, I... am still skeptical of the lynch. There's still a chance he'll flip blue and put us in a really bad position. I doubt that anything will stop the lynch at this point, but I want to look at yamato closely before I vote.


He was scum in XXVII. I haven't looked closely at it yet, but he seems to post longer rants.

I hope to be able to look into Jacob. Looking very quickly at his filter the ONLY substantial post is him defending himself and I just can't feel anything but uneasy about that. But looking at meta, at least on the surface his play in this game seems to be more consistent with his town play. I don't really like to rely on meta though since his activity level in this game might be influenced by that game he was going to play and it's just based on 2 games. I'd want to look closer at motivation.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:13 GMT
#989
Hey awake, in XXVII I posted 2000 thousand word cases on everybody, I out contented everybody to the point they ended up ignoring what I was writing.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:14 GMT
#990
So everyone is ignoring me?
What do you guys think about CC?
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:18 GMT
#991
I agree with your first point and your second post. The third is not really a tell and the fourth is a possibility. Checking his filter before though I didn't find anything scummy but a careful scum could get away with the kind of content.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#992
On November 30 2012 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC is scum
I am going through this again.

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh God a blueclaim from Oats wtf

Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue.

Sorry, last thing I expected was for you to be blue (if you are). Nothing about your play indicates blue to me.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
At the people saying Yamato Oats scumteam, that was my read D1 until I went into retardmode. After the flip I think I mentioned it. I'm nearly positive at least one of them is scum, but people like Aqua, Helo and Jacob I'm still wary of because I can't get a concrete read on them.

Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now.


He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF?

Lol. It seems too obvious. Personally, I feel at least one scum is sitting back this game with his feet propped up on a table somewhere with some

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Idk if he has class from 10-3 i doubt that's vacation so idk lol


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh wait, vacation until Friday, meaning this Friday?


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much.

Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case.

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Got a few mins between classes. Helo seems utterly disconnected from the game right now. We're in the same time zone, I have school etc also but I don't see much from him. The only time he pops up is whenever I call him out on something or so he can give the dreaded list of reads.


What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER.

Actually, it does matter. If someone is intentionally not posting, it's scummy. I brought it up because he wasn't doing much of anything. Only me and Jacob were even discussing it briefly. Obv fluff, right?
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 07:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eh, I just don't see much town motivation from him. Marv told me that looking for motivation in posts was key to unlocking the pieces of the puzzle. What's the purpose for his posts? I don't see much townie motiv for it. I made that longass post to point out of all the fallacies in town motivation, combined with his tendency to not do much in this thread other than soft-attack people. and spread a little suspicion without much evidence

I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned.

He told me that in an earlier game via pm. I've also mentioned Debears a bunch of times in context of us being scum. We aren't allowed to talk about coaching anyway, so it doesn't matter.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:22 GMT
#993
Ok that convinces me that CC is scum.
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:22 GMT
#994
Well if it seems to obvious who is your opinion on that scum with his legs up?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:23 GMT
#995
On November 30 2012 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok that convinces me that CC is scum.


It's not going to convince anyone else.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:25 GMT
#996
On November 30 2012 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC is scum
I am going through this again.

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh God a blueclaim from Oats wtf

Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
At the people saying Yamato Oats scumteam, that was my read D1 until I went into retardmode. After the flip I think I mentioned it. I'm nearly positive at least one of them is scum, but people like Aqua, Helo and Jacob I'm still wary of because I can't get a concrete read on them.

Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now.


He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF?

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Idk if he has class from 10-3 i doubt that's vacation so idk lol


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh wait, vacation until Friday, meaning this Friday?


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much.

Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case.

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Got a few mins between classes. Helo seems utterly disconnected from the game right now. We're in the same time zone, I have school etc also but I don't see much from him. The only time he pops up is whenever I call him out on something or so he can give the dreaded list of reads.


What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER.

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 07:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eh, I just don't see much town motivation from him. Marv told me that looking for motivation in posts was key to unlocking the pieces of the puzzle. What's the purpose for his posts? I don't see much townie motiv for it. I made that longass post to point out of all the fallacies in town motivation, combined with his tendency to not do much in this thread other than soft-attack people. and spread a little suspicion without much evidence

I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned.


I did see him reference marv and found it a bit weird. The case is rather weak though.

But fuck, now I'm doubting you're scum. If I was scum Oats right now I wouldn't give a flying fuck about this game right now.

If you're doc, I really appreciate your efforts. I don't see how a last minute switch will be possible though.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:27 GMT
#997
On November 30 2012 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I agree with your first point and your second post. The third is not really a tell and the fourth is a possibility. Checking his filter before though I didn't find anything scummy but a careful scum could get away with the kind of content.


You agree with the first point?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:27 GMT
#998
He is doc almost for sure in my mind, but logically no. If anyone wasn't leaving a breadcrumb it would be oats and he gave us ages to think. He feels like town he always has but he if almost worse than kush...
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:29 GMT
#999
Yes that is what I said, but also I mistyped post and point in my second part of that sentence. Mainly because if felt contrived. Unfortunately he came late enough to get away without the spotlight.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:29 GMT
#1000
CC is not taking my case seriously, look at his responses.
No gg, No skill.
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