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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:30 GMT
#1001
I'd probably say Aqua being very "legs up". The whole D1 thing where he keeps his vote on Kick irks me. Then that whole "voting of munk" post just screams "trololol i didn't vote either, I'm clear guys". D2 he pretty much just pushes the Obv Oats lynch. Seems a lot like popcorn.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:32 GMT
#1002
Wait he kept his vote on kick? I thought he did a big post against munk. That is a little odd.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:33 GMT
#1003
What do you want from me, Oats? Seems like a desperation case. 3rd and 4th points are null. second point is alright, but that's just my opinion on the two most obv. scums being the scumteam. First point is just my reaction to you claiming blue, because I would have never expected such play from a blue.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:35 GMT
#1004
On November 30 2012 09:29 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yes that is what I said, but also I mistyped post and point in my second part of that sentence. Mainly because if felt contrived. Unfortunately he came late enough to get away without the spotlight.


Oh yeah, I actually agree about contrived. I didn't think that was Oats point.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:36 GMT
#1005
On November 30 2012 09:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Wait he kept his vote on kick? I thought he did a big post against munk. That is a little odd.


Nope. Just tunneled you and then gave a huge ass post saying he didn't vote for either:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote:
The Munk-E Lynch - How It Went Down

(Votecounts in the spoilers.)

26th November

(Before this is Oatsmaster's CC vote and Kickstart's Oats vote.)
[4:59] SDM FoS's Cheesecake, makes case largely based on meta.
[5:01] SDM votes Cheesecake.
[5:18] Munk-E appears in thread with useless post.
[6:18] Munk-E makes a less useless post on Oatsmaster.
[6:58] Having obtained a meaningful post from HeloKnight, CC un-FoS's him and Cheesecake votes Yamato.
[7:02] SDM unvotes Cheesecake. SDM votes Yamato.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake(1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77(2): Mr. Cheesecake, Sonic Death Monkey


[9:22] HeloKnight analyses Munk-E's (short) filter. HeloKnight votes Munk-E.
[16:49] Aquanim votes Munk-E.
[17:35] Aquanim makes Kickstart case. Aquanim votes Kickstart.
[23:10] Yamato makes a long defensive post and gives his reads.
[23:14] SDM summarises current cases.

27th November

[0:09] Kickstart makes an angry counter-post to case against him.
[0:15] SDM votes Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77 (1): Mr. Cheesecake
Munk-E(2): HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[0:38] Kickstart posts his reads.
[0:39] Yamato votes Munk-E.
[2:13] Jacob votes Yamato.
[2:16] Cheesecake analyses Yamato further, and expresses the opinion that he "feels like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch". Likes Helo, feels Oats isn't doing much.
[5:51] Munk-E makes a post on Yamato. Munk-E votes Yamato.
[6:04] Kickstart is satisfied with Munk-E. Kickstart unvotes Oatsmaster. Kickstart votes Yamato.
[6:11] Aquanim leaves vote on Kickstart and leaves.
[6:33] HeloKnight posts on Munk-E, is not convinced.
[7:19] Yamato rants at Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Yamato77 (4): Mr. Cheesecake, Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (3): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[7:25] Mr. Cheesecake votes Kickstart.
[7:47] Mr. Cheesecake unvotes Kickstart.
[7:51] Oatsmaster votes Kickstart.
[8:40] Mr. Cheesecake votes Munk-E and leaves. Justifies his switch by saying he thinks lynching a town Munk-E would be better than lynching a town Yamato.
[8:40 - 8:55] Jacob and Yamato discuss Yamato's play.
[10:10] Debears is modkilled.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Yamato77 (3): Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (4): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake
Kickstart(2): Aquanim, Oatsmaster


[10:11] Jacob claims he "can't vote for Yamato with the votes like this". Jacob votes Munk-E.
[10:17] Oatsmaster and Kickstart going at it again.
[10:52] HeloKnight posts about Munk-E again.
[11:25] Oatsmaster approves of Kickstart's "vitriol and fire" play. Oatsmaster unvotes Kickstart. Oatsmaster votes Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Yamato77 (1): Kickstart, Munk-E
Munk-E (6): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake, Jacob, Oatsmaster
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[11:35] Munk-E makes a pretty bad final plea.
[11:36] HeloKnight becomes a little more conciliatory about Munk-E's play, but doesn't want to lynch Yamato.

... and nothing more of importance until Munk-E flips VT at 12. At least he wasn't blue, I guess.



So, what's to be learned from this?

One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes.

@everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch?
And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch?


Also of note: HeloKnight made the original case on Munk-E, and pushed it pretty hard except at the end (when a Munk-E lynch was pretty much a lock):

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:36 HeloKnight wrote:
Okay, I still think it's a little suspicious that your top read also happened to be the wagon of the time, but I'll drop that point because a townie would go after their top scum read.
I still don't want to lynch yamato today. I'm trying to not "white knight" him and to keep my mind open to him as scum, but I'm leaning pretty hard towards a newbie town feel right now.


Trying to make himself look a little better for when Munk-E flips green, and keeping his options open on yamato?

Looking through HeloKnight's filter I don't see much scumhunting substance besides his Munk-E case and an earlier, inconclusive post on Oatsmaster (and let's face it, a case on a lurker with two posts isn't exactly difficult to concoct). I'd appreciate other people looking through HeloKnight's posts and giving your opinion.



TL;DR: "wtf, y u guys switch votes??? Y u keep vote on Yamato??? Don't worry about me I voted for Kickstart."
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:37 GMT
#1006
On November 30 2012 09:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
He is doc almost for sure in my mind, but logically no. If anyone wasn't leaving a breadcrumb it would be oats and he gave us ages to think. He feels like town he always has but he if almost worse than kush...


And why would he say we shouldn't counterclaim? If he's scum that must've been the main point with his claim.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:38 GMT
#1007
Tunneled Kick***
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:38 GMT
#1008
I didnt say we shouldnt counterclaim
I said that there was no counterclaim
No gg, No skill.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:41 GMT
#1009
On November 30 2012 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt say we shouldnt counterclaim
I said that there was no counterclaim


On November 30 2012 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
So town shouldnt counterclaim because it gives more targets for the scum to hit.


Note that I made my argument in defense of you though.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:43 GMT
#1010
My reading comprehension is bad
I dont think enough people are online to switch the vote off me though :/
No gg, No skill.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:47 GMT
#1011
Holy shit, I just realized that course of action from Aqua is scummy as fuck. Literally puts suspicion on every player except himself.

He also hasn't done fuck else this game except push this Oats lynch.

He doesn't really seem to give a fuck who is lynched at all.

If there are enough players online, hell, I might end up going full retardmode. Start a wagon on Aqua.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 00:48 GMT
#1012
Everyone is watching ipl probably lol.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:48 GMT
#1013

##FoS Aqua
No gg, No skill.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:49 GMT
#1014
On November 30 2012 09:48 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Everyone is watching ipl probably lol.


I'll take "open up an extra tab" for 200 Alex.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 00:50 GMT
#1015
On November 30 2012 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Holy shit, I just realized that course of action from Aqua is scummy as fuck. Literally puts suspicion on every player except himself.

He also hasn't done fuck else this game except push this Oats lynch.

He doesn't really seem to give a fuck who is lynched at all.

If there are enough players online, hell, I might end up going full retardmode. Start a wagon on Aqua.


Would you be willing to switch to Aqua?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 30 2012 00:51 GMT
#1016
After going through yamato's filter, I'm seeing some things that just don't fit. Early on, I was feeling newbie town from him, and the cases made on him didn't really address that possibility. Recently, he's been very aggressive, especially on the Oats lynch, not something I'd expect from a player who's felt new the whole game. It's rather jarring going from his early game posting to his recent ones. I'm feeling one of Oats or yamato has to be red, but not both.. although I guess a bus wouldn't be a bad decision for a scum Oats.
That brings me to the vote. For reasons already stated by others, including general scuminess and lack of breadcrumb, I am skeptical of his claim. I've held off of voting because I was uncomfortable lynching a claimed blue, so I tried to see if yamato would be a better lynch for today. If yamato flipped red, we could somewhat clear Oats due to the aggressive tunneling yamato has been doing. But I can't fathom dealing with Oats in a LYLO situation. We'd practically be forced to lynch him anyway. So:

##Vote: Oatsmaster
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:51 GMT
#1017
I believe that's what starting a wagon means, sir. I still have no fucking clue about this Oats blue claim or whatnot, but Aqua is shady as fuck.

##Unvote
##Vote: Aqua


But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:52 GMT
#1018
I'll pull some quotes out in a regular case fashion. Give me some time.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:52 GMT
#1019
Yeah CC seems town
Fuck me i am so confused this game. FUCK.
##Unvote
##Vote: Aqua
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 00:53 GMT
#1020
Again, saying who is there at Lylo IS WAY TOO early.
there are still 6 town alive. Not even close to Lylo.
No gg, No skill.
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