EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXI - Page 48
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Can we really live with that risk? | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:03 HeloKnight wrote: Oh, you mean that just lynching Oats would be better. Yes. | ||
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Chromatically
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If he really is doctor, however, this would be really terrible. | ||
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Kickstart
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at least for now, I still need to read the other game. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 30 2012 02:14 Kickstart wrote: I already admitted I am bad at following this kind of argument about role possibilities and such, but I agree that Oats has been scummy and that him claiming blue does nothing in terms of making any of his actions any less scummy but I am having a really hard time justifying lynching a claimed blue when there is no evidence that he is lying about it. Can you maybe more succinctly say why just lynching him is the best option - because I am not following you and am hesitant about doing something like that. I don't think I can make it easier than this: Exhibit A: Why we don't want just doc to counterclaim. On November 30 2012 01:54 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: We could do like this: 1. Doc, please counterclaim! a) Counterclaim happens: we lynch scum Oats and lose our doc. b) If counterclaim doesn't happen, proceed to 2. 2. JK, please counterclaim! a) Counterclaim happens: we lynch Oats (who might still be doc) b) Counterclaim doesn't happen: we have confirmed Oats Scenario 1: Oats is doc a) We have a JK: we've outed our JK and we've mislynched our doc (lol) b) We don't have a JK: we have confirmed Oats Scenario 2: Oats is scum c) We have doc: we've outed our doc and lynched scum Oats d) We have a JK: we've outed our JK and lynched scum Oats a) is stricly dominated by just lynching Oats b) is good c) is stricly dominated by just lynching Oats d) is stricly dominated by just lynching Oats Conclusion: JK claiming seems bad Exhibit B: Why we don't want to counterclaim with doc but not JK On November 30 2012 02:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Unless we wanna settle with doc but not JK counterclaiming. But in that case if we have no doc counterclaim we have to assume Oat is doc AND we have to accept the risk of there either being a JK that 1) blocked the NK or 2) blocked scum's night action. If that's the case, Oats' claim can still be fake 1. We don't want both doc and JK to counterclaim. 2. We don't want just doc to counterclaim Conclusion: We don't want to counterclaim, we want to lynch Oats | ||
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##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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iamperfection
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Oatsmaster (5): Jacob Strangelove, Jacob Strangelove (0) Yamato77(1):Oatsmaster Not voting (2):Mr. Cheesecake,HeloKnight If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched 7.5 hours remain | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 30 2012 02:11 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Seriously, in lack of a breadcrumb AND with how scummy Oats has been, how is this not a no-brainer lycnh? No I have to stick to this. On November 29 2012 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Since the votes dont look like moving, Ima gonna claim. I am a Doctor I healed SDM n1 because he was my best townread. I didnt breadcrumb because I couldnt really make it subtle. I mean, how is he even making this argument? He couldn't make it subtle? It's super fucking easy to make at least some kind of breadcrumb. The claim is super convenient. He's been scummy. Besides I'm soon off to bed and don't know who last-minute-switch to anyway. | ||
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Aquanim
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On November 30 2012 01:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also if we lynch oats and he is doctor we lose sdm (or aqua if sdm is an amazing scum) Aqua sdm scum team guys (lol) <-- if that happens I would officially quit life. I've been thinking the same thing about you and sonic. :/ Also, I'm pretty sure we can have two doctors... though it would be pretty silly. Could there be two doctors in this setup? This possibility seems to be specifically indicated in the preliminaries to the role list, but since noone else is considering it I'll check. | ||
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iamperfection
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On November 30 2012 05:54 Aquanim wrote: I've been thinking the same thing about you and sonic. :/ Also, I'm pretty sure we can have two doctors... though it would be pretty silly. Could there be two doctors in this setup? This possibility seems to be specifically indicated in the preliminaries to the role list, but since noone else is considering it I'll check. From the op This is semi-open setup. That is, the roles possible are known, but not if they exist or if there are multiple. Town wins when all mafia are eliminated; mafia win when they outnumber town or nothing can prevent this. There are 7 townies and 2 mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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I suggest to the rest of my townie buddies that you look for someone else today. My time is going to be limited Friday and Saturday due to previous commitments. Tonight I will come back and do some real hard reads on people's filters to try to make more sense of this game. I think my criteria of town being unsure of itself this game is one to REALLY consider. Mafia has done a good job sowing extra layers of doubt in people's heads about allegiances. This is a vague criteria to look for but something to consider when reading people for tone. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 30 2012 05:54 Aquanim wrote: I've been thinking the same thing about you and sonic. :/ Also, I'm pretty sure we can have two doctors... though it would be pretty silly. Could there be two doctors in this setup? This possibility seems to be specifically indicated in the preliminaries to the role list, but since noone else is considering it I'll check. Possible like iamp says, but highly unlikely. | ||
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On November 30 2012 06:00 yamato77 wrote: Alright last post before I head to work. I suggest to the rest of my townie buddies that you look for someone else today. My time is going to be limited Friday and Saturday due to previous commitments. Tonight I will come back and do some real hard reads on people's filters to try to make more sense of this game. I think my criteria of town being unsure of itself this game is one to REALLY consider. Mafia has done a good job sowing extra layers of doubt in people's heads about allegiances. This is a vague criteria to look for but something to consider when reading people for tone. So scum is pretending to be confident in their reads in order to sow confusion? I feel like I've been one of the most confused AND confusing players in this game. The only thing I seem to have been able to establish is my own townieness. Don't get me wrong, players who seems to deliberately sow confusion is scummy. Sometimes being confused yourself will sow confusion. Jesus Christ, this post is confusing. | ||
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