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yamato77
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On November 28 2012 09:22 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work right now so I don't have a lot of time but that "case" against me is just kick pointing at Munk's read of me and going, "Look! I know you guys already saw this but I think it means something now!" The revelation that Munk-E is town does not make his read on me automatically correct. For your viewing pleasure. | ||
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yamato77
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But honestly, you haven't done much to prove you are town at all. I ask you for reads and opinions and you answer, but I don't really see you making any posts putting pressure on people or attempting to make cases against your scum suspects. I don't really know who they are, to be honest. | ||
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I'm not 100% confident on CC being scum. I posted the case more to point out that his actions were suspicious and needed reading into, which people have said they would do. I suppose on that front I have been successful so far Day 2. I also have been highly suspicious of Jacob for a while because of how little he has contributed and how much fluff his filter contains, but I don't like voting to lynch him because he hasn't exactly been causing problems for town, either. Oats, though, was a huge hindrance to town day 1. His posting was so chaotic that it was almost certainly designed to cause all sorts of discussion, for better or worse, but in no way could that discussion have been useful to town because nothing he said made any sense or was ever backed up with any solid reasoning. CC's case against him says as much, but as I said before he posted that, I don't think erratic play necessarily indicates scum. He could just be playing a really bad town game. I don't want to lynch people for being bad town. In reference to Munk's case (can't call it kick's because all he did was repost it basically), I think it's easy enough to explain. Of course I have been defending myself because tons of people have read me as scum this game and attacked me for it. You said yourself that this partly explains why I haven't been hunting scum as much, because I have been under attack almost every time I post. So from now on, I guess the best play for me to make is to IGNORE these cases on me based on my low level of contribution because to defend against them is counterproductive to the real goal of the game; hunting and lynching scum. I'll let you guys decide for yourselves if I am scum or not. No more input from me about my actions. | ||
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Pushy people don't seem town to me this game. I, as town, have been largely confused as to people's allegiance. I have expressed this, as has my top town read, SDM. I don't think town has had a really good shot at getting a good scum read because of the amount of unproductive discussion on me and your posting on CC. YOU might have had good intentions, as I initially read your play as a discussion starter, but it has since been really, really bad for town. Two people that HAVE been pushy with their reads are CC and Kick with their reads on the both of us. A lot of people's opinions on the both of us have been influenced by their insistent claims of our scummy nature. How are they so sure? Are we the only two in the game worthy of suspicion? Or just the two easiest targets for scum to bus? Also, LOL at the association case. No small coincidence that CC thinks us a scumteam as two people who have been suspicious of him from the start. | ||
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On November 29 2012 16:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: You haven't read my response? Lol don't bother just read yours again  Comments to yamato is there any posts you have made where you mentioned being suspicious of me (I forgot) Or did you just decide to start being suspicious now that two other people are? Look at my filter. I have expressed my dislike for your play since D1. I also questioned you during our exchange over kick's read on me. This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus. | ||
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Oats that post is full of outright lies and you should feel bad. my motivation for choosing who to lynch has been trying to figure out how scum would play and looking at who has played that way. not going to repost that argument. I honestly didn't know if mafia KP could be role blocked. If it couldn't then one of our blues has a confirmed town which helps the game. that is why I asked. You have cherry-picked my posts pretty bad to make this bad case of yours. I know I said I wouldn't defend myself and all but I want people to see this terrible case so they know why I voted for you. only a scum would make a case this bad. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On November 29 2012 21:45 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: So you're voting on him because his case is bad? If that is his real attempt at hunting scum, it is pathetically bad. His play this game has been terrible and he hasn't even tried to make it better. Scum. | ||
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I hate that Oats claimed blue. Honestly, I'm inclined not to believe it because SDM was THE MOST obvious scum target N1 so him claiming he protected him is not conclusive enough proof. It could just as easily be a fake claim by scum in that regard. Equally terrible is the fact that even if it saves him from getting lynched today is that unless there is a JK that protects him tonight, he has just painted a really huge target on his back as a blue for scum KP. Instead of claiming your supposed blue role, Oats, you should really make a case that isn't bad. The one point you have is that I'm not pursuant of Jacob, when in fact I've been trying to make him do more than use this thread as his bouncing board since D1. Why don't I consider him a valid lynch candidate? Because as I learned with Munk this game, people who are unsure of their reads and follow things posted in the thread are not necessarily scum. Maybe he hasn't made a case because there aren't that many to be made? Maybe he's not putting in the time to play optimally, just like Munk. Either way, I can't justify placing my vote on him today after seeing what happened yesterday. The argument I HAVE made about people that look scummy is that they are pushy with their reads and cases and try to be forceful in getting people to agree with them. As I said before, both Kick and CC have done this, and both of them continually attack me for not contributing when it is mostly their fault that I am constantly on the defensive. I may be an easy target to go after, admittedly, but I seriously doubt that I should be the only person in this game worthy of genuine suspicion. Scum would do this because the more time they waste getting people to look into a player they know is town, the less time there is for people to look at them. Helo is playing a deflection game, in my opinion. Twice CC has posted about Helo being uninterested in the game, and twice he has come out with cases pointing to other people. He doesn't seem involved in active discussion about those cases, either, he just posts and leaves. Really odd. Not leaning scum but it's just an observation. | ||
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I'm really pissed if he's actually a blue. WHY WOULD YOU PLAY SO BAD AS A BLUE? | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:41 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Also guys, start spamming the thread with your ideas. It's really tough for scum to give opinions on this sort of thing without fucking up, so if you wanna help establish your townieness, now is the time. Or we could not waste a bunch of time talking about a really scummy play by a person about to get lynched. | ||
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Your claim has zero proof, in my opinion. There is far more reason for scum to claim right now than a real blue. | ||
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Act like the claim never happened. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:46 JacobStrangelove wrote: Should we just remain passive and watch a lynch go though on someone that blue claimed? Why not discuss it? Because the discussion is just going to be inconclusive anyway. Why waste time on it? There's no safe, conclusive proof either way so we just act like he didn't claim it and lynch him for his scummy play before this. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:47 JacobStrangelove wrote: So you are saying a real blue would let themselves get lynched? A real blue wouldn't be so bad in the first placed as to get themselves in the position of having to claim to avoid getting lynched. A real blue would scumhunt like town, something he has not done this whole game. His play THE WHOLE GAME has been to cause really stupid discussion on things, why would he stop now? | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:50 Kickstart wrote: I agree 100% with yamato that this claim is fucking up town pretty bad because Oats basically forced us to divert the entire thread discussion to whether or not his claim is fake or real, but I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion yamato that we lynch him anyways - what if his claim is true? ;/ Then we lynched a lurking town D1 because he didn't put in enough time to play the game properly, and then we lynched a blue D2 for playing so terrible up the point of his claim that there was NO REASON to believe what he said when he claimed. If that's true, two town players have basically screwed over their own wincon. If we don't lynch him, who is the alternative? Jacob? Me? No one thinks CC is worthy of further inspection? What about Helo and Aqua? Are either of them worth suspicion? Is SDM's inconclusive play D2 helping town? His one and only case was one he backed off of D1. So you guys choose. Lynch Oats or find his potential scumbuddy. My vote sticks with him until someone else makes a case I can honestly get behind. | ||
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On November 30 2012 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: OH SHIT YAMATO JUST FORGOT TO MENTION KICKSTART. SCUM TEAM. Why would I mention kick when I'm having a conversation to him about who he should make a case on? Why does everyone think I'm on a scumteam? | ||
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