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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 16 2012 01:32 GMT
#1881
Well, and marv, but he always looks that way.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 16 2012 01:32 GMT
#1882
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 16 2012 01:34 GMT
#1883
Well there's no use crying over spilled milk. We have half an hour left in the event you are shot. Anything I can do to help?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 16 2012 01:36 GMT
#1884
On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP)


Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now.

Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 16 2012 01:37 GMT
#1885
heh, "assets"
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 16 2012 01:38 GMT
#1886
I doubt I would ever be shot though. So yeah I can understand the reasoning behind the jail but I feel it is wrong.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 01:39 GMT
#1887
On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP)


Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now.

Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere.



DP haven't u been saying BH is scum all day?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 01:40 GMT
#1888
On November 15 2012 11:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
On November 15 2012 11:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 11:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I am confirmed town. SO suck it, all of you.


I'm not really sure how you're confirmed town. I actually think it's quite the opposite. Please explain.

he was the hammer vote wasn't he?


Yeah but I don't think anyone on the Hapa wagon is confirmed town. Even looking at my own position, there's nothing confirmed about my town-ness. I think it makes little sense for a guy like DP or me to lynch Hapa if we were scum, but we are really the opposite of confirmed town. We're scummy players with mitigating circumstances.


I guess you wouldn't want confirmed townies would you BH?


On November 16 2012 06:28 DarthPunk wrote:
I think we should lynch Blazing hand today though.

Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 16 2012 01:41 GMT
#1889
debears raises a good point. What brought you to the light, DP?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 01:42 GMT
#1890
In case I die.

Hopeless might be scum, but do not lynch him D2. Disregard his D1 and N1 play. I believe a town Hopeless will convince you he's town D2.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 01:42 GMT
#1891
If BH is indeed JK, marv is town, DP is town, and Z-Bo is town

Mafia sure had a hard time deciding nk lol
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 16 2012 01:44 GMT
#1892
My reads:

iamperfection - totes town. he just is. not saying any more, he's town.

darthpunk - town, didn't think he was scum all day and then came out really good around lynch time.

clarity - town, for some reason i don't feel as strongly about this as i did, but still feel it pretty strongly. way more involved n shit than when he played scum.

debears - town. would have been null but i find it impossible to believe the way day 1 went down that he's scum. gotta be town.

Kickstart - I think he's town. I said why earlier in the night phase. I quite like his posting, and he was really involved and invested around lynch time, and he voted hapa. should be town.

Now there's a more greyish area:

strongandbig - meta suggests that he's town. but... at the end of the last game i told him specifically what made him look like scum, and I think he's a good enough player to be able to change it up. I'd be more solidly town on him except he's been more useless than i expected. and usually s&b is useful as town. So I dunno. If I was nudged I'd say town, but i'm not uber convinced.

Z-Boson - argggg. his meta is SO FAR OFF, even with his explanation. he DOES buy points though in that he basically preempted my case. Plus, he claimed miller. Now that's not a definite tell in itself, but he did it before everyone had posted and it's really risky, because if a real miller existed, then statistically it's enormously unlikely there are two millers. It just seems unnecessary. If pushed, again I would say town.

thrawn - it's getting trickier here. so fucking lurky. There are a couple of things I consider here. Look at Acme that just finished. Like, everyone is ssaying "i expect more from thrawn as town". But thrawn definitely looked in that game like he'd lost a lot of his va-va-voom. he looked really flat. just like he's playing in this game. In addition to this, his case on DP read as genuine. I know that he totally believes in the meta read that he set forth in his case, which made it sincere. He was using a sincere townie meta argument in his argument on DP, which I liked. I think for whatever reason thrawn is bored or unmotivated, but I think he's town.

Hopeless - i'm all-a flipfloppy on hopeless. I don't like at all how Hapa basically brushed off talking about Hopeless, even though he was quite clearly a major contender for a large portion of the 2nd half of the day. "he lurks as either alignment" is all hapa had to say about it. really weak, tellingly weak even. On the other hand, at some points I've kinda gotten a townie feel from his play. But it isn't a strong gut feeling at all. in other parts he's been fairly non-contributory. If I had to choose, I'd say scum.

Crossfire - lurky AND scummy. Clarity - it's a big mistake too many players make going "oh, he's a lurker, it's so coinflippy". That's a weak viewpoint to take. I talked earlier in the phase why I thought he was scum. He's lurking which is bad in itself, but also he's totally uninvested in the game. I haven't seen a single post of his that shows he gives a shit. I looked at his play in Whose Line where he was town, and he gave many shits. He was involved, he posted quite a lot, he was down with what town was doing, he was mucking in. Even if he is having internet issues or whatever, his posts while he are here do not show any of that mentality. absolutely the strongest lynch in my opinion.

BH - fskfsdkfjsdklfjdklsfjsdklfjklsdfjsdkljfdklsjfdklsjfsdvdfvnxkvsnsdfnsdkjfhdjsvnjksdnvjknksdbnvjksdnvjksdnvksdnvsdkvnsdjkvnjksdnvklzsnvxsknvzkjvnksdvgiojfglkjgdjknbkdjfnbdklsfngkdjngjkdgnjkdfngkljdfngkdnfgkljdngjkdfngkjndgjkldnfjkgndklgndfjkgndjkfgndksjfngkdfjlgndfjkngkdfjngkdnsfgkdfjlnsgkljsdngdjnfgnldfkjgsdn.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 01:44 GMT
#1893
On November 16 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 10:26 debears wrote:
On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out.


Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot.

If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter.
It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town.

The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot)
After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB.

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On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.

The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.

I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.

I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.

@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.


He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB.

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On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.

##Unvote


Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions?
You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither?

##Vote DarthPunk

Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa:
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.

The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity:
On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.

Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.



On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.

@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.

Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?

On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT

Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.



On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?

I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.

I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?

The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine


On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?

Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.

I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.

Is that scummy or townie.


I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?

This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful.
On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't.

I basically disagree with this conclusion


On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.

On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them.

I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.


On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts.

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though.


Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand:

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?

I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.


I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?


I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.


180 on his read concerning me/debears. Could be legit, but it took a while for him to say it. Meanwhile, his vote has been parked on DP for ages


On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made?

Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.

That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.

##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN

Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity"
Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case



On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.

@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't.

"My scumreads aren't important."


On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.

Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo


On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.

On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch


Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though.


On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that.


On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over.

Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.


When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigans
On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day.


On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?



On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action.

Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.




Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread
.


You know what is really funny

HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP

right?

Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG.

I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM



YOU'RE ACCUSING HIM OF NOT THINKING ANYTHING OF IT AT THE TIME WHEN YOU DIDN'T. CONTRADICTION MUCH?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 16 2012 01:45 GMT
#1894
On November 16 2012 10:42 debears wrote:
If BH is indeed JK, marv is town, DP is town, and Z-Bo is town

Mafia sure had a hard time deciding nk lol

Z-Bo could just as easily be scum instead of SnB on your list.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 16 2012 01:45 GMT
#1895
Marv is it ok if we interpret that string of characters next to my name as "I hate to say it, but logically BH is town."
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 16 2012 01:46 GMT
#1896
On November 16 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 16 2012 10:26 debears wrote:
On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out.


Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot.

If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter.
It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town.

The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot)
After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB.

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.

The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.

I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.

I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.

@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.


He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB.

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.

##Unvote


Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions?
You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither?

##Vote DarthPunk

Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa:
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.

The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity:
On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.

Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.



On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.

@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.

Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?

On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT

Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.



On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?

I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.

I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?

The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine


On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?

Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.

I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.

Is that scummy or townie.


I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?

This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful.
On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't.

I basically disagree with this conclusion


On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.

On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them.

I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.


On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts.

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On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though.


Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand:

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On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?

I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.


I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?


I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.


180 on his read concerning me/debears. Could be legit, but it took a while for him to say it. Meanwhile, his vote has been parked on DP for ages


On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made?

Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.

That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.

##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN

Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity"
Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case



On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.

@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't.

"My scumreads aren't important."


On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.

Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo


On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.

On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch


Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though.


On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that.


On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over.

Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.


When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigans
On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day.


On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?



On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action.

Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.




Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread
.


You know what is really funny

HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP

right?

Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG.

I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM



YOU'RE ACCUSING HIM OF NOT THINKING ANYTHING OF IT AT THE TIME WHEN YOU DIDN'T. CONTRADICTION MUCH?

Massive contradiction. I don't care, its a reason for me to think that a player who is not me (me=town) is potentially scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 16 2012 01:47 GMT
#1897
On November 16 2012 10:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Marv is it ok if we interpret that string of characters next to my name as "I hate to say it, but logically BH is town."


no, and stop antagonising me you dick
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 01:47 GMT
#1898
@ Marv

Yes he's a good lynch D2, but your shenannies D1 lynchtime to go for cross would have been bad. I don't think he's a coinflipanymore, but D1 he totally was.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 16 2012 01:47 GMT
#1899
On November 16 2012 10:39 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP)


Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now.

Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere.



DP haven't u been saying BH is scum all day?


I'd really like this answered actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 16 2012 01:48 GMT
#1900
On November 16 2012 10:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Marv

Yes he's a good lynch D2, but your shenannies D1 lynchtime to go for cross would have been bad. I don't think he's a coinflipanymore, but D1 he totally was.


yes, but you made a comment earlier today along the lines of "ugh he's just a lurker" which he isn't.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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