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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 02:33 GMT
#761
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 02:35 GMT
#762
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:37 GMT
#763
On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
I wanna lynch darthpunk. I remember his town play as somewhat aggressive and stubborn, and what I'm seeing from him in this game is completely different from that impression. I still think the whole snb 4 votes early on thing was a little silly and probably had scum behind it.

---snip---

Specifically, this is what i'm talking about with dp's tone. This...

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.

...is not what I expect from dp. I expect him to be argumentative and to challenge anyone who accuses him of being wrong.



I'm pretty sure DP was being sarcastic here, rather than submissive.

On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't like his votes/unvotes for snb or the explanations for the votes.

Reasonable

On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
His last voting action was an unvote, and the next 8 posts contain mainly fluff and jokes, not much information that's pertinent to the thread.



The fact that he hasn't taken a position is worrying-- but the joking and fluff are characteristic of his play. See NMMXXVIII

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370487&currentpage=17#322



On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
Summary: He took the easy vote on snb and was wishy washy about it (voting then unvoting then voting then unvoting) because he knows the vote looks bad. After voting the first time, he unvoted then challenged clarity for doing the exact same thing that dp himself did (hasty bandwagon voting for snb) and then he unvoted for a final time and his filter after that point contains no scumhunting or any of his reads/thoughts.

##Vote: Darthpunk

The other people that voted for snb during that time were hapa, clarity, and boson. With boson... the miller claim didn't seem to come at the right time to be a scum fakeclaim. I'd expect fake claims to come along much later after everyone has been given a chance to post/claim. Hapa, I'm wary of. BH made a comment along the lines of "whoever voted for snb is bad or scum," and hapa is definitely not bad. But he as well as clarity continued giving reads and interacting with the thread after the snb stuff, while dp has been wishywashy with his vote and not talked about much of anything else. The snb bandwagon grew so quickly that I think it's very likely that there were scum behind it, and dp looks scummiest out of all of them. There was his original voting/unvoting, not following through with any reads afterwards and having a fluffy filter, and being extremely peaceful and not willing to get in fights. That's the exact opposite of town dp.


From a meta perspective I don't think this case holds up. Where it does hold up is DP being on the SnB wagon and not contributing significantly afterwards. I'm willing to lynch him based on this, because staking out a semi-position like that could be something scum would do, and he's a good enough candidate otherwise. The SnB wagon definitely had scum on it-- he seemed an easy lynch. I don't think your meta analysis is good though.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#764
On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea.


If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to.

On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.


from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap.

I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#765
On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.


you do not remember my first newbie and how stubborn and argumentative he was being with me about my vig claim? he didn't end up voting me in the but he was definitely the most aggravating to deal with. and there was that game where kush scum claimed and dp tunneled and caused mislynches on townies afterwards because he was being stubborn with his reads.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#766
Hm, actually maybe DP is worth lynching first for his lurking. I'm gonna think on this over dinner.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#767
On November 14 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea.


If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.


from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap.

I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen.


I disagree thrawn looks worse, as I know he genuinely believes in that meta read. It's not specific to this game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#768
On November 14 2012 11:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.


you do not remember my first newbie and how stubborn and argumentative he was being with me about my vig claim? he didn't end up voting me in the but he was definitely the most aggravating to deal with. and there was that game where kush scum claimed and dp tunneled and caused mislynches on townies afterwards because he was being stubborn with his reads.


sure he can be stubborn with his reads as town.

But overall I find him more cooperative as town and more lighthearted. As scum he is similarly argumentative and strident in his views, and is more "angry", without any of the lightheartedness.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 14 2012 02:45 GMT
#769
On November 14 2012 11:41 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea.


If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to.

On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?

The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.


from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap.

I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen.


I disagree thrawn looks worse, as I know he genuinely believes in that meta read. It's not specific to this game.


I still want to know where the hell he has been. He's posted 3 times - this is unlike anything in his town games.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:47 GMT
#770
Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight.

For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else.

I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why.

##Vote: Hapahauli

and @Hapa
No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:48 GMT
#771
Why am I deadweight? Yeah I *might* get RBed every night but I can still vote and post and stuff just like anyone else..
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:50 GMT
#772
Also I'm not voting debears
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 14 2012 02:50 GMT
#773
On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
His last voting action was an unvote, and the next 8 posts contain mainly fluff and jokes, not much information that's pertinent to the thread.



The fact that he hasn't taken a position is worrying-- but the joking and fluff are characteristic of his play. See NMMXXVIII

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370487&currentpage=17#322

[/QUOTE]

That game is one of the specific ones I'm thinking of in regards to dp's town play. He stays on his targets till he gets a flip, he is sorta.. aggressive.. with his language, especially when people are disagreeing with him. This game he's made extremely questionable votes while not pushing his reads. Town dp reads as the most convicted guy ever and that's not what i'm seeing this game.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#774
@ Blazinghead
That was basically my point: At worst you are scum and trying to save yourself, at best you are jailkeeper and won't get to make use of it.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 14 2012 02:53 GMT
#775
that above post was supposed to be a quote from BH earlier up on the page idk what happened to the top half
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 14 2012 02:53 GMT
#776
ebwop
blazinghand**********
head??? lol
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:54 GMT
#777
At best I'm jailkeeper and scum doesn't have a roleblocker, and I jail the scum delivering the NK, and we lynch him tomorrow
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 02:54 GMT
#778
On November 14 2012 11:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
His last voting action was an unvote, and the next 8 posts contain mainly fluff and jokes, not much information that's pertinent to the thread.



The fact that he hasn't taken a position is worrying-- but the joking and fluff are characteristic of his play. See NMMXXVIII

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370487&currentpage=17#322



That game is one of the specific ones I'm thinking of in regards to dp's town play. He stays on his targets till he gets a flip, he is sorta.. aggressive.. with his language, especially when people are disagreeing with him. This game he's made extremely questionable votes while not pushing his reads. Town dp reads as the most convicted guy ever and that's not what i'm seeing this game.[/QUOTE]

scum DP is equally if not more aggressive with his language.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 14 2012 02:55 GMT
#779
On November 14 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk 1. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight.

For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else.2

I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why.

##Vote: Hapahauli

and @Hapa
No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads.


What in the shit? NONE of that makes any sense whatsoever.

1) So you were 100% down with lynching BH, yet never made a noise about it? You never posted about him, never acknowledged him, and just sat back and watched the fireworks? I said before - townies need to be open and active. You're doing the opposite right now.

2) So your theory is that I started a bandwagon with my "scumbuddy", however you openly acknowledge that he's the jailkeeper yet vote me anyway? NONE of that is coherent.

My vote on debears? I was early to vote him and you haven't said anything about why you disagree with my reasoning.

Explain yourself. I'd love to be patient with you but this is ridiculous.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 14 2012 02:55 GMT
#780
kickstart said this over course of reading the thread just now I think, which is why he didn't make an earlier post?
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