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On November 14 2012 04:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 03:49 strongandbig wrote:On November 14 2012 02:41 iamperfection wrote:
I changed my mind deal with it bro. When I get home I might do it again. does that make me scum? If so continue if not don't waste my time iamperfection is lazy as fuck, he's like mattchew in being both terrible and lazy but at the moment hapa's case is super unpersuasive to me also fuck you *Looks at your play in gsl II as town *Looks at mattchews play in liquid city as town *Looks at iamperfections play in liquid city as town yeah im the lazy one out of those three stfu.
gsl 2 doesnt count
thats the one where i got mislynched for not having enough time to play while i was on vacation with my family
i mean yeah i was lazy there but whatever
also i mean like "intellectually lazy", as in "not bothering to explain yourself very much."
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On November 14 2012 05:06 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On November 14 2012 03:49 strongandbig wrote:On November 14 2012 02:41 iamperfection wrote:
I changed my mind deal with it bro. When I get home I might do it again. does that make me scum? If so continue if not don't waste my time iamperfection is lazy as fuck, he's like mattchew in being both terrible and lazy but at the moment hapa's case is super unpersuasive to me also fuck you *Looks at your play in gsl II as town *Looks at mattchews play in liquid city as town *Looks at iamperfections play in liquid city as town yeah im the lazy one out of those three stfu. gsl 2 doesnt count thats the one where i got mislynched for not having enough time to play while i was on vacation with my family i mean yeah i was lazy there but whatever also i mean like "intellectually lazy", as in "not bothering to explain yourself very much."
when haven't i explained myself. I have people just dont like the explanations.
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I even counted the non-bolded one, cause I'm just such a nice guy:
Blazinghand (2): Z-BosoN, marvellosity
iamperfection (2): Hapahauli, Blazinghand
Z-BosoN (1): iamperfection
debears (1): strongandbig
Hopeless1der (1): debears
DarthPunk (1): Clarity_nl
Not voting (5): thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99, DarthPunk
Currently, Blazinghand is set to be lynched! A bit less than 30 hours remaining in Day 1.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +Blazinghand (2): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity
iamperfection (2): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (1): Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (1): Z-Boson, strongandbig
Hopeless1der (1): debears
DarthPunk (1): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
Hapahauli (0): iamperfection, strongandbig
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (5): thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99, DarthPunk
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On iamp
I hated the reason for which he voted on me, but I share marv's stance on how he's drawing out unnecessary attention. The only thing that actually bugs me is his interaction with BH. As a townie, if I agree with someone, the last thing I would be thinking is:
On November 14 2012 01:02 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
Rock Band or Whose Line are recent town games of his. do you know any of his scum games? the search function isn't helping me find all his games.
What debears mentions is his radical switch from >>Hunting BH<< to >>Agreeing with BH<<.
Except that this post I quoted is immediately after his vote on me. Here, he still shows interest in finding out if BH is scum, someone he had just agreed with. That being said, he is being incredibly flip-floppy, which I'm finding extremely weird.
I don't think this is enough to peg him as scum though, I can imagine him as town being suspicious of everyone.
I find BH's play to be much, much more appaling. I have only played one game with him, so I'm not super aware of his meta, but it is totally different than his Liquid City one. Here he has made one major case, a weak one at that, and established an unusally high amount of certainty on it, calling it "a masterpiece".
That being said, right now I'm interested in debears, Crossfire, and thrawn.
Crossfire is rather obvious, he's not posted and is heading off towards a modkill/replacement. I'm not considering him a lynch choice until he actually decides to post.
Thrawn, however, is unusually inactive. I remember him as townie being much, much more active than this. He's actually managed to make one entrance post: [ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=19#361 ].
Shows some suspicions, ask some questions, and is gone like the wind.
debears has also raised my eyebrows in this start of the game. He's been extremely fluffy in the beggining, and no matter what his meta is, that's not pro-town. Also, I don't like the feel of his case against iamp. He's establishing himself on some of hapa's arguments, but does not deal with this:
On November 14 2012 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
I don't understand why it's scum play.
1. Believes miller claim
2. Later decides he's scummy
The scum motivation is what? He wanted a case to jump on? Is that it?
Which to me feels like a natural step in accusing iamp of being scum. The most he's said is that he didn't agree with it, and I don't find that satisfactory at all given that he is pursuing a scumread. The only argument he added was "guilty conscience", to which I find very weak, as I don't find any motive for iamp to pursue something he doesn't think is strong.
Anyways, had debears actually voted based on that, I would have been much more suspicious. Right now he just has my eyebrows raised.
@debears
I'd like you to expand a bit more on your read of iamp.
1) I get that you think he has bad reasoning for his switch. Why does this make him scummy? Bad reasoning =/= scummy unless it has scum motivation. What is the scum motivation of his actions?
2) Here you try to make this contrast:
1) He cares about how the town is viewing him
2) He doesn't believe his reasoning is that great for his vote
-note the "well I think his actions speak louder". It's a weak statement. Not a strong one, (a strong one) which should be warranted when you change your read from town to scum in literally no time
I've mentioned this above, but I'd like you to answer it. Why would scum iamp establish a vote for which he himself believes is not based on good reasoning? I don't understand why you are finding this scummy.
Interpret this as: me not buying it.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
im not sure ive called it a masterpiece but yeah its good
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On November 14 2012 05:14 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 01:02 iamperfection wrote:On November 14 2012 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
Rock Band or Whose Line are recent town games of his. do you know any of his scum games? the search function isn't helping me find all his games. What debears mentions is his radical switch from >>Hunting BH<< to >>Agreeing with BH<<. Except that this post I quoted is immediately after his vote on me. Here, he still shows interest in finding out if BH is scum, someone he had just agreed with. That being said, he is being incredibly flip-floppy, which I'm finding extremely weird. I don't think this is enough to peg him as scum though, I can imagine him as town being suspicious of everyone. I find BH's play to be much, much more appaling. I have only played one game with him, so I'm not super aware of his meta, but it is totally different than his Liquid City one. Here he has made one major case, a weak one at that, and established an unusally high amount of certainty on it, calling it "a masterpiece".
Your absolutely right i want to figure this shit out and right now i like other am intrested in what bh has to say when he comes back. I disagree with your premis though i think it actually shows the opposite then what your thinking since im open to different possibilities i wants to find the scum thats my one and only goal.
that said
## Unvote
Your contributing a lot and are making it clear what your thinking so i dont want to lynch you right now.
I will wait for the time being on bh i thought his vote on me was super bad and ill give him the chance to explain himself before i make up my mind.
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On November 14 2012 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
im not sure ive called it a masterpiece but yeah its good
its a good case and i supported your case with my own contribution but then you vote me on the drop of dime after hapa comes in?
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On November 14 2012 04:38 debears wrote:Iamp's switch on Z-Bo is alarming to me. Let me explain why Town read on Z-Bo+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:50 iamperfection wrote:
zbos explained it in his post would have been very risky in my view. On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. Alright, these two posts seem pretty strong saying that Z-Bo is townie. Note the word use "very risky for scum" and "scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that" On November 13 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote:
guys a town zbos could lie if he was blue
He could be scum
he could be vt.
I'm inclined looking at the comment that he was just writing what he thought and that it was probably true. He just had a slip of the tongue so i'm actually inclined to think it was actually the truth. It didn't look like to me as a scum making a post in order to put a claim together. Boom i got two town reads already which you gonna do mafia?????????? Here he states outright that he has a town read on Z-Bo Note that his town read is a null tell to me. Next, iamp becomes suspicious of BH + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 11:31 iamperfection wrote:
so uh this guys is like not helping right now and i expect better from him since i hold him in high regards. i say we force his hand.
## Vote Blazinghand
Especially since he made it obvious that he was here with his "lol" Note the timestamp. 30 minutes later, this comes out On November 14 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose. Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously. LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break But that being said ## Unvote Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on. Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Loving the activity so far. What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears. He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting. He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as: On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me. ##vote debears If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what. Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:05 Z-BosoN wrote:@Hapa: To be honest, I've had an opposite reaction from iamp's trusting of me. I think scum would think twice before openly accepting any townie claim. In his last scum game, iirc, he was much pickier on his town reads. May be wrong here. @debearsOn November 13 2012 10:16 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote##Vote strongandbigDebears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D Great, grats. So you suffer an onslaught of fluff accusations day one, and yet you still plague the thread with fluff? Do you find nothing wrong with that? @marvSo you say that you fit best the description of actively lurking, and pretty much continue to do that? Tell me more. This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said. I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. so ## Vote zboson Note the two changes here 1) BH is suddenly town because of one case 30 minutes after iamp's original suspicion 2) Z-Bo is suddenly scum because of BH's case Note his poor reasoning. His first point is BH's reasoning. His second point is the "imperfection rule"...Really??????? Also, remember that it was and is the first half of d1 at this point. Why is he jumping on Z-Bo for two fucking posts? Why is he jumping on a case from a person whom he thought was suspicious 30 minutes prior? See how poor that reasoning is? When you switch from a town read to a scum read, you're reasoning should be pretty good. Show nested quote +I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. Ok. What does this line from his vote post on Z-Bo tell us about iamp? 1) He cares about how the town is viewing him 2) He doesn't believe his reasoning is that great for his vote -note the "well I think his actions speak louder". It's a weak statement. Not a strong one, (a strong one) which should be warranted when you change your read from town to scum in literally no timePoint 1 is a null tell. Point 2 doesn't make any sense from a townie perspective. What are your guy's thoughts???
The only thing I really disagree with is the 'guilty conscience' as I would probably do the same thing. However, he not only flipflopped his town read, he sheeped his former scumread, with poorly explained reasoning as noted. I need to review his meta looking for posts like this:
On November 13 2012 10:35 iamperfection wrote:also ## Unvote HapaI liked his thinking in this post Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1? No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game. Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who. I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet. For now...
This post is so trivial...the explanation is like asking "Why?" and getting the answer "Because."
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
just cuz u agree with me doesnt mean ur town dude
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On November 14 2012 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
im not sure ive called it a masterpiece but yeah its good
Are you back at a computer yet?
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@z-bO
1) He turned from a town read to a scum read and vote with poor reasoning. That's scummy as shit
2) Let me ask you this.
Why would town iamp do it? A town player does not suddenly vote based on bad reasoning, let alone swap from town to scum read.
Why would scum iamp do it? Because scum knows their reasoning is not true. They are looking for scumminess in people who are town.
Also, I would like to offer a counter thought to my assumption that he thought his reasoning was bad
1) He thinks his reasoning is good
2) He has a sudden change of a opinion to agree with his suspicion (BH) from 30 minutes before.
3) He makes a weak "oh nvm about the town tell" statement
Why does he go out of his way to state that at the end of his post if he thinks his reasoning is good?
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On November 14 2012 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:
just cuz u agree with me doesnt mean ur town dude
why dont you wait until you get home and put some proper thoughts out there instead of this crap. Tell me what you really think is hapas case on me or do you change your mind give me the why or dont say anything at all.
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Anyone willing to give their read on DarthPunk while everyone anxiously awaits Blazinghand's defense and case?
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:
just cuz u agree with me doesnt mean ur town dude why dont you wait until you get home and put some proper thoughts out there instead of this crap. Tell me what you really think is hapas case on me or do you change your mind give me the why or dont say anything at all.
man everyones so negative
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyone willing to give their read on DarthPunk while everyone anxiously awaits Blazinghand's defense and case?
hi. i don't think he's scum at the moment.
i think BH is increasingly looking like scum, however.
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@ Marv
If he's not scum in your eyes, that means he's terrible town, or do you disagree?
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On November 14 2012 05:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyone willing to give their read on DarthPunk while everyone anxiously awaits Blazinghand's defense and case?
not much to say i dont really like that he made a big deal just becasue s&b said wifomwifomwifom i dont think thats a proper way to go about things. He then says it should be super obvious why he is voting him but in my view it really isnt. I dont have a strong feeling on him but i would lean scummy side more than town. He has a 3 page filter but not a whole lot to go off of.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Marv
If he's not scum in your eyes, that means he's terrible town, or do you disagree?
I think perhaps he hasn't been playing as seriously as he could/should have been.
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Do you guys have some sort of meta read that I do not?
The description "has a 3 page filter but nothing that I can make a read off of" doesn't seem very townie to me.
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On November 14 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Do you guys have some sort of meta read that I do not?
The description "has a 3 page filter but nothing that I can make a read off of" doesn't seem very townie to me.
in terms of me or him?
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