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Clarity_nl
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Hopeless1der
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Still on Darth. Stay on target! Well from what i remember he is extremely active regardless of his alignment so i dont know what to make of his more backseat approach in this game. But i think he has another game going on so maybe his attention is there. I dont really know | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Darth is still playing in Acme. Poor play may be related to that. I'm null on him. you ninja | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On November 14 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active. spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 14 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: Again marv, I don't care what he could have done. We're not in his mind - we don't know what he's thinking. Therefore we have to look at what he did, and the contradiction makes no damn sense from a townie perspective. How the hell do you go from "insta-convinced claim = town" to "I agree with BH case, "iamperfeciton rule", Z-Bo is scum" if you're town. No way. NOOOOO way. This has been bugging me all afternoon. Sure, we're not in his mind, but the job of a good townie is to PUT yourself in someone else's shoes and try to best work out how/what/why they're doing or have done things. And Hapa knows this too. GSL 3: On October 22 2012 07:49 Hapahauli wrote: Tbh, I can't see scum Kei playing this carelessly. I hate to use this read again, but it seems accurate in the games I've played so far - he has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude towards suspicion against him. Paired with how much effort I know he put into GSL I, I think he's town. Puts himself in the shoes of a player who was outwardly playing scummily (lurking, not giving reads, etc.). And his read there is that he doesn't see scum Kei doing whatever he was doing. In this game though: On November 14 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: Again marv, I don't care what he could have done. We're not in his mind - we don't know what he's thinking. He's not willing to put the same thinking process into iamperfection, and this reeks, especially as my main argument in defence of iamperfection is why the fuck would he vote for Z-Bo of all people after his earlier town read on him. You have to think about what he could/should/would do and what iamp did there does not line up with how I see him playing scum, and for some reason Hapa does not address this. He gives some bad 'scum motive' but at the same time doesn't address anything at all with how iamp in particular was thinking at the time. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:00 Blazinghand wrote: spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd stop spamming up the thread. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
its a legitimate point | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:00 Blazinghand wrote: spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd or you could do what your doing right now ## Vote Blazinghand I want want your thinking of me and zbos now in a proper fashion or in my view your just claiming scum Don't come back until you do | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Well I'm working under the assumption that it's a time issue, being in two active mafia games. Cracking jokes is something you do on the side. You play mafia to play mafia, socializing is nice but it's not why I play mafia at least, guess I can't speak for others. If all you're doing is cracking jokes then that's anti-town, you don't agree? If you're going to be around to post 3 pages of filter without content, why not post 1 page of content instead, if you're town. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote: @ Blazing Well I'm working under the assumption that it's a time issue, being in two active mafia games. Cracking jokes is something you do on the side. You play mafia to play mafia, socializing is nice but it's not why I play mafia at least, guess I can't speak for others. If all you're doing is cracking jokes then that's anti-town, you don't agree? If you're going to be around to post 3 pages of filter without content, why not post 1 page of content instead, if you're town. Absolutely, but cracking jokes isn't a scum tell any more than being inactive in general is. Town players play anti-town all the time. Someone who's posting but with zero content is "active lurking" which is functionally equivalent to lurking-- just as scummy, no more, no less. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:04 iamperfection wrote: or you could do what your doing right now ## Vote Blazinghand I want want your thinking of me and zbos now in a proper fashion or in my view your just claiming scum Don't come back until you do Well, I'm home now so I'll write a post with some proper thoughts. And I see no reason to leave the thread just because you've told me to. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: Absolutely, but cracking jokes isn't a scum tell any more than being inactive in general is. Town players play anti-town all the time. Someone who's posting but with zero content is "active lurking" which is functionally equivalent to lurking-- just as scummy, no more, no less. why don't you do something useful like answer the case against you? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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marvellosity
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 14 2012 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I'm home now so I'll write a post with some proper thoughts. And I see no reason to leave the thread just because you've told me to. good do it | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: It seems to me people are thinking too much of my posts, expecting some sort of brilliant day one cases. Disagreeing with my logic does not make me scum. That should pretty much handle the vast chunk of shit I got the last few pages. There are, however, some things I'd like to point out during these last events, though: First thing to note is how uncharacteristically bad BH's case is against me. He's basically saying I'm bullshitting with every post I make. While I agree my posts are not the bestest they can be, I'm not sure why that implies I'm scum. He says this one thing in particular though: Note two things. 1) He's saying I'm setting up to look good as a wagon starter. This is balls-to-the wall dumb. How am I a wagon starter just for having the first vote? Also, as he himself noted, I did not write a full essay regarding why I think SnB is scum. I voted for him for implying that he is town, and that's basically it. If I wanted to become a "wagon starter", that's obviously the exact opposite of what I should do, I would make a much more elaborate case. Ironically, I could say the same about BH and his case on me, and with much more validity, as he actually goes deep in his case on me, and seems somehow certain of my alignment, something which he leaves very clear later on: Now, I'm not scum, so in my pov he is pretty much full of shit with this remark. There's a difference between bad logic, the thing he is calling me on bullshitting, and actual bullshitting, which is what this "wagon starting" remark actually is. You were starting a weak wagon. This is the easiest way to start a wagon as scum. You wanted to take a position that LOOKED good, which is started a wagon, without the commitment and risk that comes with it. Something you could back off of or move away from easily-- and look how you did. It was a vote with a ghost of a case rather than a real one. And you backtracked it quite well, but the point stands. On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: 2) He's saying my filter is short, and it's clear I'm not helping. Again, completely ironic and hypocritical. He has only three completely useless posts up until this one: The second paragraph is completely fluffy, he's not actually saying anything. That being said, I would like everyone to pay attention to the bolded on the third paragraph. He heavily, heavily thrashes me for being weak on my vote on SnB. Let's ignore all the others, especially DP (who voted TWICE on SnB, without saying anything). Let's focus on what he says here on iamp - and this is important. He says that iamp is throwing his vote around to pressure people, and that's all A-ok. Yeah it was based on iamp being generally a bad player but there's also a difference between starting a wagon with no case and jumping on one with no case. In retrospect iamp was not immune to blame, but saying something like "he didn't attack iamperfection hard enough" or "one paragraph in this post was a bit fluffy" (when in fact it was not, i'm trying to help the players in this game play well) isn't a legitimate critique of my posting. On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: Now pause and think here. I'll quote what he said about that on me for clarity: and Now contrast that to what he said about iamp's voting. On iamp, he is completely casual regarding his voting. On his case on me, however, he's aggressive and incisive , as you can clearly tell from the quotes I posted above. Why does this make him scummy? Because it shows clear signs of fabrication, as one can easily infer from the quotes above. His views on "casual voting" are in complete contrast. One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE?? Townie Motivation: none. Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim. You've made a good case for why DP and iamperfection are also scummy, but nothing here about why you're not. In retrospect, I shouldn't have implicitly rule out the possibility of you AND iamperfection being scum together. On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: tl;dr 1) Blazinghand's case on me is uncharacteristically bad. It's also not consistent with his townie play on Liquid City. Look at his progression on Shiaopi, who was incidentally also making uncharacteristically bad cases as well. 2) Blazinghand is being supremely inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical of what he defines as scum-motivated and what not, showing signs of someone who is merely fabricating cases, as detailed above. I tried to be as clear as possible here, because I don't want people to feel like this is just OMGUS. My votes on SnB and debears were more pressure votes, as if that wasn't pretty much clear. This one on blazinghand, is not. I think he's the best lynch so far, as everything I've stated seem to point on him being scum. ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand And, I think it's scummy here that A) you've backed away from your SnB vote and claimed it was just pressure when the wagon began to fall apart, just like you set up for when you voted B) this is basically a straight-up OMGUS I had moved my vote over to iamperfection, and he seems scummy but I really can't ignore a shit OMGUS of this magnitude. Rereading I've realized it was a mistake to ever unvote you. And I am not threatened by your claim because a miller claim is meaningless-- it's a null tell. It's never factored into my case or my analysis of you, but you sure seem insecure about it. ##unvote ##vote ZB | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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