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Right, well I did not access that information.
So I guess my fears were unwarranted. HOWEVER that does not mean I was not worried and at the time I asked for a DT check I had the same thoughts and he was NOT confirmed.
I know Djo will push this being scummy. But is it really?
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On November 22 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:29 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh. If there is a DT you should check BH.
Why did you suggest this dp you had recently had said this just a bit earlier in the thread On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP) Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. You came to this conclusion after long spouting off the bh was scum. Then shortly after you suggested a dt check Whats the deal ? Trying to waste the cops investigations ? I was freaking paranoid about a BH fakeclaim. I am actually relieved in a way that he died tonight because it makes things much simpler. I didn't say anything about it earlier because I wanted scum to kill BH like they are supposed to and not have a situation were BH was alive at MYLO and make us all freak out. If he had not died tonight I would probably have said something along the lines of why isn't he dead yet? And started asking the questions that were never asked in my last game. We knew from setup speculation that bh was already the jk... Your paranoia was not justified. no. I read that set-up shit. It was possible that there were only 2 blues and no roleblocker. If there was no roleblocker that would have made a fake JK claim far less risky for scum. Scum BH could have been a goon. Fake claimed RB and lied about being roleblocked for eternity. There were no roleblock claims at all. There was no evidence of a scum RB apart from the word of BH. I was very paranoid about it and I am relieved I no longer have to be.
This post shows that- Either DP doesn't care about all the work S&B and me have put in to figure out the setup because it shows that he might have read it but not understood our conclusions
- Either DP has understood our conclusions but he doesn't acknowledge them because he cannot afford to recognize that we were actively helping town at that time
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On November 22 2012 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Right, well I did not access that information.
So I guess my fears were unwarranted. HOWEVER that does not mean I was not worried and at the time I asked for a DT check I had the same thoughts and he was NOT confirmed.
I know Djo will push this being scummy. But is it really?
I don't think the fact that you didn't go looking for Keir's setup generator is scummy. At the time that iamperfection quoted you, your suspicions were completely justified.
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On November 22 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:29 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh. If there is a DT you should check BH.
Why did you suggest this dp you had recently had said this just a bit earlier in the thread On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP) Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. You came to this conclusion after long spouting off the bh was scum. Then shortly after you suggested a dt check Whats the deal ? Trying to waste the cops investigations ? I was freaking paranoid about a BH fakeclaim. I am actually relieved in a way that he died tonight because it makes things much simpler. I didn't say anything about it earlier because I wanted scum to kill BH like they are supposed to and not have a situation were BH was alive at MYLO and make us all freak out. If he had not died tonight I would probably have said something along the lines of why isn't he dead yet? And started asking the questions that were never asked in my last game. We knew from setup speculation that bh was already the jk... Your paranoia was not justified. no. I read that set-up shit. It was possible that there were only 2 blues and no roleblocker. If there was no roleblocker that would have made a fake JK claim far less risky for scum. Scum BH could have been a goon. Fake claimed RB and lied about being roleblocked for eternity. There were no roleblock claims at all. There was no evidence of a scum RB apart from the word of BH. I was very paranoid about it and I am relieved I no longer have to be. This post shows that - Either DP doesn't care about all the work S&B and me have put in to figure out the setup because it shows that he might have read it but not understood our conclusions
- Either DP has understood our conclusions but he doesn't acknowledge them because he cannot afford to recognize that we were actively helping town at that time
Get off your damn High horse. After all that set-up speculation that 'solved' everything you posted this
On November 19 2012 02:20 Djodref wrote:@ S&BWould you agree that if our setup is TTTTT and that BH is SK then he automatically loses this game ? I mean, you have a "confirmed" JK going into MYLO or LYLO, getting role blocked every night with no evidence of any other blue role, then this "confirmed" JK has to go.
BH at LYLO + no other blue (dead or alive) = automatically lynch BH
If people remember this, then we can safely forget the TTTTT setup for the moment
Now you are all over me for thinking of something similar and are painting me as scummy for it. You are the biggest hypocrite EVER.
Also you are being frivolous with the facts and manipulative.
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On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed !
Which makes THIS a fucking lie.
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S&B, if you are town like I think you are understand thatt you are getting lynched today and try and set us up for a reasonable chance at victory if you flip town.
If you have the time some thoughts on each of the remaining players and some guidance on what to do if you are a mislynch would be greatly appreciated.
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On November 22 2012 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:29 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh. If there is a DT you should check BH.
Why did you suggest this dp you had recently had said this just a bit earlier in the thread On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP) Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. You came to this conclusion after long spouting off the bh was scum. Then shortly after you suggested a dt check Whats the deal ? Trying to waste the cops investigations ? I was freaking paranoid about a BH fakeclaim. I am actually relieved in a way that he died tonight because it makes things much simpler. I didn't say anything about it earlier because I wanted scum to kill BH like they are supposed to and not have a situation were BH was alive at MYLO and make us all freak out. If he had not died tonight I would probably have said something along the lines of why isn't he dead yet? And started asking the questions that were never asked in my last game. We knew from setup speculation that bh was already the jk... Your paranoia was not justified. no. I read that set-up shit. It was possible that there were only 2 blues and no roleblocker. If there was no roleblocker that would have made a fake JK claim far less risky for scum. Scum BH could have been a goon. Fake claimed RB and lied about being roleblocked for eternity. There were no roleblock claims at all. There was no evidence of a scum RB apart from the word of BH. I was very paranoid about it and I am relieved I no longer have to be. This post shows that - Either DP doesn't care about all the work S&B and me have put in to figure out the setup because it shows that he might have read it but not understood our conclusions
- Either DP has understood our conclusions but he doesn't acknowledge them because he cannot afford to recognize that we were actively helping town at that time
Get off your damn High horse. After all that set-up speculation that 'solved' everything you posted this Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 02:20 Djodref wrote:@ S&BWould you agree that if our setup is TTTTT and that BH is SK then he automatically loses this game ? I mean, you have a "confirmed" JK going into MYLO or LYLO, getting role blocked every night with no evidence of any other blue role, then this "confirmed" JK has to go.
BH at LYLO + no other blue (dead or alive) = automatically lynch BH
If people remember this, then we can safely forget the TTTTT setup for the moment Now you are all over me for thinking of something similar and are painting me as scummy for it. You are the biggest hypocrite EVER. Also you are being frivolous with the facts and manipulative.
lol
debears is dead since. I think it was blue so my equation doesn't count anymore.
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I also lied just now. The setup wasn't properly solved until debears flipped. At the time of that post, we hadn't identified a blue that would exonerate BH yet.
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Which part of "no other blue (dead or alive)" do you not understand ?
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On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie.
I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point.
On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo.
On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B
On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now...
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The point is that you had similar concerns to me at similar times DESPITE all your delving into set-up and yet someone who has openly stated to not have closely followed or even cared about that speculation had similar concerns making them scummy.
It is exactly the same to your calling me scum for having a town read not wanting to lynch S&B despite you doing the same thing.
My worries were justified and my obvious ignorance of all that Set-up bullshit should make them even MORE justified.
I refuse to speak more on set-up. It is useless now and It is the only thing djo can really talk about as scum which is why he loves to do so and steers everything towards set-up speculation again and again without fail.
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On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now...
All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up.
This is blatantly scummy.
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On November 22 2012 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:29 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh. If there is a DT you should check BH.
Why did you suggest this dp you had recently had said this just a bit earlier in the thread On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP) Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. You came to this conclusion after long spouting off the bh was scum. Then shortly after you suggested a dt check Whats the deal ? Trying to waste the cops investigations ? I was freaking paranoid about a BH fakeclaim. I am actually relieved in a way that he died tonight because it makes things much simpler. I didn't say anything about it earlier because I wanted scum to kill BH like they are supposed to and not have a situation were BH was alive at MYLO and make us all freak out. If he had not died tonight I would probably have said something along the lines of why isn't he dead yet? And started asking the questions that were never asked in my last game. We knew from setup speculation that bh was already the jk... Your paranoia was not justified. no. I read that set-up shit. It was possible that there were only 2 blues and no roleblocker. If there was no roleblocker that would have made a fake JK claim far less risky for scum. Scum BH could have been a goon. Fake claimed RB and lied about being roleblocked for eternity. There were no roleblock claims at all. There was no evidence of a scum RB apart from the word of BH. I was very paranoid about it and I am relieved I no longer have to be. This post shows that - Either DP doesn't care about all the work S&B and me have put in to figure out the setup because it shows that he might have read it but not understood our conclusions
- Either DP has understood our conclusions but he doesn't acknowledge them because he cannot afford to recognize that we were actively helping town at that time
Get off your damn High horse. After all that set-up speculation that 'solved' everything you posted this Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 02:20 Djodref wrote:@ S&BWould you agree that if our setup is TTTTT and that BH is SK then he automatically loses this game ? I mean, you have a "confirmed" JK going into MYLO or LYLO, getting role blocked every night with no evidence of any other blue role, then this "confirmed" JK has to go.
BH at LYLO + no other blue (dead or alive) = automatically lynch BH
If people remember this, then we can safely forget the TTTTT setup for the moment Now you are all over me for thinking of something similar and are painting me as scummy for it. You are the biggest hypocrite EVER. Also you are being frivolous with the facts and manipulative.
@ DarthPunk
My post was intended to show that you discarded the following posts in my filter. It means that you are only looking for what is really scummy and not what I have done to actually contribute. I don't understand one single instant how you can be relieved after BH death. Maybe you were afraid that he was going to figure you out ?
What really gave us the setup extrapolation after debears death is in the following spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other blue, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now...
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On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy.
I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events.
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On November 22 2012 14:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:52 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:29 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh. If there is a DT you should check BH.
Why did you suggest this dp you had recently had said this just a bit earlier in the thread On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
I am clearly town and a bigger asset (sorry DP) Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. You came to this conclusion after long spouting off the bh was scum. Then shortly after you suggested a dt check Whats the deal ? Trying to waste the cops investigations ? I was freaking paranoid about a BH fakeclaim. I am actually relieved in a way that he died tonight because it makes things much simpler. I didn't say anything about it earlier because I wanted scum to kill BH like they are supposed to and not have a situation were BH was alive at MYLO and make us all freak out. If he had not died tonight I would probably have said something along the lines of why isn't he dead yet? And started asking the questions that were never asked in my last game. We knew from setup speculation that bh was already the jk... Your paranoia was not justified. no. I read that set-up shit. It was possible that there were only 2 blues and no roleblocker. If there was no roleblocker that would have made a fake JK claim far less risky for scum. Scum BH could have been a goon. Fake claimed RB and lied about being roleblocked for eternity. There were no roleblock claims at all. There was no evidence of a scum RB apart from the word of BH. I was very paranoid about it and I am relieved I no longer have to be. This post shows that - Either DP doesn't care about all the work S&B and me have put in to figure out the setup because it shows that he might have read it but not understood our conclusions
- Either DP has understood our conclusions but he doesn't acknowledge them because he cannot afford to recognize that we were actively helping town at that time
Get off your damn High horse. After all that set-up speculation that 'solved' everything you posted this On November 19 2012 02:20 Djodref wrote:@ S&BWould you agree that if our setup is TTTTT and that BH is SK then he automatically loses this game ? I mean, you have a "confirmed" JK going into MYLO or LYLO, getting role blocked every night with no evidence of any other blue role, then this "confirmed" JK has to go.
BH at LYLO + no other blue (dead or alive) = automatically lynch BH
If people remember this, then we can safely forget the TTTTT setup for the moment Now you are all over me for thinking of something similar and are painting me as scummy for it. You are the biggest hypocrite EVER. Also you are being frivolous with the facts and manipulative. @ DarthPunkMy post was intended to show that you discarded the following posts in my filter. It means that you are only looking for what is really scummy and not what I have done to actually contribute. I don't understand one single instant how you can be relieved after BH death. Maybe you were afraid that he was going to figure you out ? What really gave us the setup extrapolation after debears death is in the following spoiler + Show Spoiler +On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other blue, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now...
No I was not aware he was confirmed in the case of there being 2 blues. I ignored all that set-up bullshit because I was scum hunting. You have not scum hunted. I refuse to discuss set-up with you further.
I was wrong. I did not realise it. That does not make me scum.
The way that you have not scum hunted and that the bulk of your 'contributions' come from set-up speculation/mass claim speculation which is a very safe topic to make 'contributions' on as scum makes you scum however.
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On November 22 2012 14:30 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy. I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events.
I got it wrong. Doesn't make me scum or stop you from being scum.
This discussion is done.
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On November 22 2012 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:30 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy. I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events. I got it wrong. Doesn't make me scum or stop you from being scum. This discussion is done.
I hope that this discussion can help people realize that you are the last scum. I understand that you are that obsessed to lynch me because I figured you out.
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On November 22 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:30 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy. I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events. I got it wrong. Doesn't make me scum or stop you from being scum. This discussion is done. I hope that this discussion can help people realize that you are the last scum. I understand that you are that obsessed to lynch me because I figured you out.
How exactly did you figure me out. Because I have a town read on S&B? the same S&B that you were wishy-washy as shit on until called out for your position which was then a town read. Despite parking your vote on him most of the previous cycle?
Or is it because I said you have not done any scum hunting (which you haven't) and that you think that is not a good enough reason to lynch you (it is.)
Your case on me was AFTER I called you out. Before that you were supposedly building a case on CLARITY.
Also I hammered and called out HAPA day one. Your vote was parked uselessly on the Lynch scum was pushing day one.
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On November 22 2012 14:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:30 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy. I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events. I got it wrong. Doesn't make me scum or stop you from being scum. This discussion is done. I hope that this discussion can help people realize that you are the last scum. I understand that you are that obsessed to lynch me because I figured you out. How exactly did you figure me out. Because I have a town read on S&B? the same S&B that you were wishy-washy as shit on until called out for your position which was then a town read. Despite parking your vote on him most of the previous cycle? Or is it because I said you have not done any scum hunting (which you haven't) and that you think that is not a good enough reason to lynch you (it is.) Your case on me was AFTER I called you out. Before that you were supposedly building a case on CLARITY. Also I hammered and called out HAPA day one. Your vote was parked uselessly on the Lynch scum was pushing day one.
I was building my case on Clarity when I have noticed the post where he said that it would be a smart move for the last scum to keep S&B alive if he was town. So then I've noticed that you were the only one of us with a town read on S&B which you based on meta only.
Also, I found the way you overreacted to my early doubts about you startling.
That;s when I decided to build a case against you instead. And that case holds...
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On November 22 2012 14:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:30 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG.Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed ! Which makes THIS a fucking lie. I stated that Hopeless and BH were 100% confirmed in this post after debears death. And this was the natural follow-up of all our setup extrapolation. And I have blamed S&B for his vote against BH early D3 because it should have been the only possible conclusion for both of us at this point. On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...
On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.
But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo. On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B On November 19 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On November 19 2012 22:46 strongandbig wrote:On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.
I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die. If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately. @ S&BWell, these are good reasons for putting your vote on someone but that's not going to happen and we have to play to win. There is no other blue in my opinion. Another Jailkeeper would have counterclaimed BH in ages. A Town RoleBlocker would have blocked someone. Another Vigilante would mean MCCVVVV which is unlikely as hell Another Cop would mean MCCCCVT which is also quite unlikely, without adding the fact that we have no sign of an SK and that another Cop with 2 possible checks would solve us the game right away. There is no other, the time for speculation is over. The setup is MVCCDTT, there is no SK and Hopeless is 100% confirmed Luigi the Vig and Blazinghand is 100% confirmed JailKeeper. And the fact that they are 100% confirmed is great and that's what all this setup speculation gave us. So, yes, it is useful ! You should get your vote off BH's back now... All you do is talk about set-up. Because it allows you to act like you are contributing when you are in fact not. Even when this speculation is obsolete you return to it. Every discussion you steer back to set-up. This is blatantly scummy. I'm not talking about the setup here. I'm showing everybody that you called me a liar by twisting the timeline of the events. I got it wrong. Doesn't make me scum or stop you from being scum. This discussion is done. I hope that this discussion can help people realize that you are the last scum. I understand that you are that obsessed to lynch me because I figured you out. How exactly did you figure me out. Because I have a town read on S&B? the same S&B that you were wishy-washy as shit on until called out for your position which was then a town read. Despite parking your vote on him most of the previous cycle? Or is it because I said you have not done any scum hunting (which you haven't) and that you think that is not a good enough reason to lynch you (it is.) Your case on me was AFTER I called you out. Before that you were supposedly building a case on CLARITY. Also I hammered and called out HAPA day one. Your vote was parked uselessly on the Lynch scum was pushing day one.
I showed that your vote switch from Z-Bo to Hapa was not natural. You were certainly bussing him or preparing for a bus day 2 because people were getting suspicious of him and Hapa would have been lynched anyway because not night killed by the mafia.
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