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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 17:40 GMT
#2761
ebwop: That was about kickstart, since I didn't actually name him in my post.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 18 2012 17:42 GMT
#2762
On November 19 2012 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay Djo, I just wanted to make sure, thanks.

@ debears


Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 23:57 debears wrote:
On November 16 2012 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
So what you're saying is.

Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk

All of these people are confirmed town?


Let me help you out

Town:
Me
Iamp
Kickstart
Dp
Zbo

2 scum voted zbo. He's town.
<snip>

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:06 debears wrote:
Clarity, which has less assumptions?

Scum voting for hapa:
Wanted to bus their active, best player and godfather for town cred d1 on a last minute voteswing
Wanted to bus said player over zbo, who had 8 votes on him on a last minute voteswing
Wanted to depend on crossfire and himself to carry the team. Lol

*remember how hapa said he was afk? Why would scum do that if hapa wasnt in the thread and couldnt talk himself out of being lynched? So dumb*

Scum voting not hapa:
Easy lynch on Zbo
<snip>

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote:
On November 17 2012 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
The two people that were lynch candidates at the very end were Hapa and Zbo.
Hapa and crossfire voted zbo.
Conclusion, zbo is town?!?


Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1


And all of that led to.....

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote:
##unvote
##vote zbo


1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game
2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads
3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike.
4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me
5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first

Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone


"Zbo you are a liability and more likely scum than snb"

?????? I don't understand.


Read points 1thru 5 ffs. It's right there in your quote
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 17:43 GMT
#2763
Those are points that you could've made when you said he was town though.
You call him town like five times, and then you make a case off of stuff that's already been discussed for you, and you think he's suddenly scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 17:44 GMT
#2764
In fact, I even pointed out that you calling zbo town because he had both cross and hapa on him was dumb, and you responded like this:
On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
The two people that were lynch candidates at the very end were Hapa and Zbo.
Hapa and crossfire voted zbo.
Conclusion, zbo is town?!?


Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 18 2012 17:44 GMT
#2765
On November 19 2012 02:33 strongandbig wrote:
It depends on how Keirathi resolved one-shot roles.

If he just turned them into VTs, then BH would say that the setup is TTMVVDC or TTMVVDD, and that he's still "confirmed jailkeeper" but there were no other blues.

If Keirathi either (a) turned one-shot roles into full roles, or (b) re-rolled any setup that had one-shot roles in it, then yes I agree, a serial killer automatically loses at LYLO when there are no more blue roles.


@ S&B

Well then I hope that we could get our answer from Keir then. For me, the (b) solution was making a lot of sense so I automatically assumed it to be true. Thanks for your input.
I'll try to stop to speculate too much on the setup from now on even if I enjoy it very much. I'll come back to it if we get the answer from Keir or if the blues decide to claim tonight.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 18 2012 17:54 GMT
#2766
I need to get some sleep noaw...
I hope to see some posts from DP, Hopeless and Kickstart when I wake up ^^

Game is not over yet guys !
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 17:55 GMT
#2767
I have high hopes that we'll get an answer from Keirathi, he told us the thing about the probabilities, plus the thing about C9++ is that you know what the possible setups are even though you don't know what the specific setup is, that's why it's "semi-open."
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 17:59 GMT
#2768
What do we get out of it though. Say the odds are 60-20-20 to whatever setups are still possible with our current info. What does that gain us?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 18 2012 18:01 GMT
#2769
By the way, I think that the blues should wait for Keir input before going for the mass claim plan or not.
Its efficiency is going to depend on how the one-shot roles are handled. If they are removed, we are nit going to get valauble information imho.
Night all !
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:05 GMT
#2770
I categorically reject any situation in which you "auto-lynch" me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:05 GMT
#2771
And like, god, can we talk about things that aren't freaking setup speculation
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:11 GMT
#2772
Hey guys I found something as useful as setup speculation



enjoy
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 18 2012 18:11 GMT
#2773
On November 19 2012 01:40 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 01:37 Blazinghand wrote:
snb y u so mad didue u gotta chill out is that dota screencap fake or what


no its not fake

i have no idea what iamperfection was talking about, i've been assuming he has some kind of point and he'll get to it eventually

as for "y u so mad didue u gotta chill out" all i have to say is, I guess your plan to discredit me by insulting me and getting me angry is working.

how did you snipe me thats all i want to know.

i was f5'ing like crazy and somehow you sniped me with your lol. I thought you said you were playing dota.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 18 2012 18:14 GMT
#2774
@bh heres something to talk about

say hypothetically that djo is scum how does he win if he gets his mass claim strategy to go through?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 18:17 GMT
#2775
On November 19 2012 03:11 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 01:40 strongandbig wrote:
On November 19 2012 01:37 Blazinghand wrote:
snb y u so mad didue u gotta chill out is that dota screencap fake or what


no its not fake

i have no idea what iamperfection was talking about, i've been assuming he has some kind of point and he'll get to it eventually

as for "y u so mad didue u gotta chill out" all i have to say is, I guess your plan to discredit me by insulting me and getting me angry is working.

how did you snipe me thats all i want to know.

i was f5'ing like crazy and somehow you sniped me with your lol. I thought you said you were playing dota.


meh idk,

I probably looked over and saw "oh it's 3am and my antimage died, I might as well check if there's a flip yet," then got lucky with when I happened to click "next page"

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:17 GMT
#2776
Um.. the same way anyone wins, really. Tonight he RBs + shoots me then 8 players are left, tomorrow night he RBs the claimed blue and shoots hopeless, and then 6 players are left, or vice versa, then night 5 shoots the last blue then we're at a 4-player mylo in a typical clusterfuck with only 2 nights of blue check from the investigative blue (who is now dead), no confirmed townies, etc.

The fact that he personally isn't in a great position doesn't mean much for his plan being bad-- it wouldn't make him any worse off as scum. S&B # 1 lynch for tomorrow imo though, Drojef apparently has a tunnelling jubjub meta so what are you gonna do
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:19 GMT
#2777
Like, it's hard for ANY player to win as scum at this point because tomorrow we go into the day with 7 town, 1 scum. Yeah it's also hard for djodref to win too, but his mass claim plan isn't bad because he's suggesting it or whatever, it's bad because it needs to be up to the last blue whether he claims or not. For what it's worth, he's come around to my way of thinking and now believes the last blue should make this decision-- this is correct.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 18:23 GMT
#2778
Blazing you really think scum is going to shoot you? They'll just roleblock you and shoot someone else. That way they have an earlier chance at killing our possible cop.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 18 2012 18:24 GMT
#2779
Yeah or that, but after the mass claim I'm confirmed town, and they need to start shooting confirmed townies. I suppose logically they could also block me, shoot hopeless, then after the blue claims, block me, shoot the blue, then block me, shoot me. The order doesn't matter a huge amount.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 18:26 GMT
#2780
Like I said. They want the cop dead ASAP. You are no threat since you'll just get perma roleblocked.
The order does matter. I'd be shocked if the scum shoots you or hopeless.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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