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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:34 GMT
#2121
On November 16 2012 23:01 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote:
It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite.
I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all.

It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen.


Are you sure you aren't scum?


Again, poor wording from my part. I understand why you don't consider likely for him to be scum given the circumstances. But I want you to focus on his play rather than the circumstances because he looks very scummy apart from this.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#2122
On November 17 2012 00:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think we're at 9v1 with no SK, and setup speculation says there's at least 1 more blue besides myself, Z-bo and BH (assuming we're all telling the truth). Yes, I count miller as a blue.

Unless a townie claims the block on BH, it means scum have Kamek remaining and C9++ requires 0, 1, or 2 "T's" to have Goon, Roleblocker, Godfather (and possible SK). That means 5 'rolls' went towards blue's. I don't know how that ends up working out since Vig's are all one-shot and doctors are JK's instead, but I think there is at least 1 unclaimed blue.

I don't want to mass claim because its not likely to get us much more to work with. I'm pissed that I can't ask thrawn why he was being un-thrawny. He specifically referenced the fact that Hapa and Marv should have been on his case and now they're all gone. I need djo to get off of BH for a moment and find scum elsewhere. He seems to be barking at clarity for the moment, so I'll see how that goes.


My point is that we don't know how many "T's" we have got for this specific game but that the mafia team would have had a better idea of it given their roles. I can imagine that a fake jailkeeper claim is less risky from a goon if the mafia team is goon, goon, godfather.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
November 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#2123
On November 17 2012 00:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think we're at 9v1 with no SK, and setup speculation says there's at least 1 more blue besides myself, Z-bo and BH (assuming we're all telling the truth). Yes, I count miller as a blue.

Unless a townie claims the block on BH, it means scum have Kamek remaining and C9++ requires 0, 1, or 2 "T's" to have Goon, Roleblocker, Godfather (and possible SK). That means 5 'rolls' went towards blue's. I don't know how that ends up working out since Vig's are all one-shot and doctors are JK's instead, but I think there is at least 1 unclaimed blue.

I don't want to mass claim because its not likely to get us much more to work with. I'm pissed that I can't ask thrawn why he was being un-thrawny. He specifically referenced the fact that Hapa and Marv should have been on his case and now they're all gone. I need djo to get off of BH for a moment and find scum elsewhere. He seems to be barking at clarity for the moment, so I'll see how that goes.

Sk is still possible isn't it?

Double stack or holding shots.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:40 GMT
#2124
If there is an SK and it's not hopeless then it would be weird for him to withhold a shot, seeing as we lynched scum D1. Double stack is possible, but would an SK shoot cross?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
November 16 2012 15:41 GMT
#2125
On November 17 2012 00:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
If there is an SK and it's not hopeless then it would be weird for him to withhold a shot, seeing as we lynched scum D1. Double stack is possible, but would an SK shoot cross?

i have never played sk so i dont really know how they think. I was killed by one once didnt really know what in that instance either.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
November 16 2012 15:42 GMT
#2126
On November 17 2012 00:41 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
If there is an SK and it's not hopeless then it would be weird for him to withhold a shot, seeing as we lynched scum D1. Double stack is possible, but would an SK shoot cross?

i have never played sk so i dont really know how they think. I was killed by one once didnt really know what in that instance either.

ebwop didn't know why in that instance
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:42 GMT
#2127
I think that if you're playing to your win condition and town lynches scum D1 you'll try to shoot a townie. Could be wrong.
I actually didn't consider an SK trying to shoot marv, that's an interesting thought.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
November 16 2012 15:44 GMT
#2128
On November 17 2012 00:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that if you're playing to your win condition and town lynches scum D1 you'll try to shoot a townie. Could be wrong.
I actually didn't consider an SK trying to shoot marv, that's an interesting thought.

well yeah that would be the general idea i would think. There not pro town or pro scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:44 GMT
#2129
I think we should not speculate too much over the possibility of an SK until we see 2 kills during one night.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:45 GMT
#2130
On November 17 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:
I think we should not speculate too much over the possibility of an SK until we see 2 kills during one night.


Yeah I'm pretty sure we were done. =]
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:46 GMT
#2131
But I would like to add that a SK would definitively be anti-town right now because it would be a 8vs1vs1 situation
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:47 GMT
#2132
Ehhhh, crazy thought, how certain are we that there are 3 scum? I don't see it in the OP.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:48 GMT
#2133
[QUOTE]On November 16 2012 22:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

This is your second game right ? So we just have your previous scum game for comparisons
I had a slight town read on you because you don't have the same behavior than last game, I've mentioned it in this post [spoiler][QUOTE]On November 16 2012 13:20 Djodref wrote:
Let me start with some quick post about my town reads.

<snip>[/QUOTE]

@ Clarity

Can you confirm me that is it indeed your second game and explain me why you don't like last minute shenanigans ?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:50 GMT
#2134
They don't end well. I like sticking to solid logic rather than let emotions make decisions for you, and last minute shenanigans are just that, emotional decisions.

This would be my third game, kinda. I got modkilled for sending Rad a PM in my first game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
November 16 2012 15:51 GMT
#2135
On November 17 2012 00:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhhh, crazy thought, how certain are we that there are 3 scum? I don't see it in the OP.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

There cant be more than 3 scum. Also if we take the blues word there isn't two scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:52 GMT
#2136
On November 16 2012 22:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

This is your second game right ? So we just have your previous scum game for comparisons
<snip>


@ Clarity

Can you confirm me that is it indeed your second game and explain me why you don't like last minute shenanigans ?


And regarding the fact that we have 3 scums, I'm pretty sure that it's the standard for this setup. It's a very safe assumption which we can work with ^^
Regarding the 8vs1vs1thing, this is the main reason why I would have difficulties to believe in a SK Hopeless.

Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 15:53 GMT
#2137
On November 17 2012 00:51 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhhh, crazy thought, how certain are we that there are 3 scum? I don't see it in the OP.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

There cant be more than 3 scum. Also if we take the blues word there isn't two scum.


Thanks.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 15:57 GMT
#2138
On November 17 2012 00:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
They don't end well. I like sticking to solid logic rather than let emotions make decisions for you, and last minute shenanigans are just that, emotional decisions.

This would be my third game, kinda. I got modkilled for sending Rad a PM in my first game.


Yeah but this creates confusion and it can be a great opportunity to catch scum. I think it would have been more difficult to find you last game if not for the Cheesecake situation which was also last minute. I think it's difficult for scum to fake emotional last minute decisions (I personally think that intuition and rationality still take a small part).
How do you think we found you last game ?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 16 2012 15:57 GMT
#2139
I'm out for a while, swamped at work.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 15:58 GMT
#2140
On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:08 debears wrote:
On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night.


Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets.

Djo I find you town


@ debears

Even if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon.

Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ?


Who would be sure? All I knew is that 3/4 others said they were down to switch right away and we all did immediately.
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