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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 07:15 GMT
#2041
On November 16 2012 16:12 debears wrote:
I agree with BH Djo.

Why the fuck would the mafia lynch the godfather and their best player on day 1 with a last minute voteswing when they could easily stay on z-bo?


The thing is it was really safe for a csum BH to switch to Hapa with 8 votes against Z-bo at 5 minutes before lynch.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#2042
And Z-Bo

DP may have a point on Z-Bo. But, i haven't looked into it yet
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#2043
Like, Djo, clearly I'm not convincing you that I'm town, but given that your case is terrible and nobody agrees with you, I don't mind, as long as you continue to contribute. How do you expect us to catch scum or for anyone to get a read on you like this? I respect that you're replacing in for thrawn and you want to just go with some "gut" feeling rather than seriously analyzing my play, reading timestamps, or understanding the claim-- it's not easy to catch up. I probably would have voted for thrawn if he wasn't replaced. You are a replacement, so you get some leeway, even after this catastrophe of a play you've done so far. But we need reads, Djo. We need you to try to take a position.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#2044
On November 16 2012 16:15 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 16:12 debears wrote:
I agree with BH Djo.

Why the fuck would the mafia lynch the godfather and their best player on day 1 with a last minute voteswing when they could easily stay on z-bo?


The thing is it was really safe for a csum BH to switch to Hapa with 8 votes against Z-bo at 5 minutes before lynch.


Do you remember BH asked for FOS's to see who would switch?

There were like 4 of us who said yes. And everyone else was like "yeah we'll vote him"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:17 GMT
#2045
and why wouldn't BH just switch back off hapa then with all the confusion to save his teammate?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 16 2012 07:17 GMT
#2046
On November 16 2012 16:15 debears wrote:
Based on above thought, who does that leave?

Thrawn (Djo)
Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa)
Clarity
SnB

Who has been least helpful while active?

I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town.
Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again.
SnB has done absolutely nothing for town


Another reason to cut Djo some slack is that thrawn might have been unhelpful while active, but he DID end up getting replaced-- so we shouldn't hold that against Djo. Generally replacements should get a day of breathing room.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:18 GMT
#2047
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:19 GMT
#2048
On November 16 2012 16:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 16:15 debears wrote:
Based on above thought, who does that leave?

Thrawn (Djo)
Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa)
Clarity
SnB

Who has been least helpful while active?

I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town.
Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again.
SnB has done absolutely nothing for town


Another reason to cut Djo some slack is that thrawn might have been unhelpful while active, but he DID end up getting replaced-- so we shouldn't hold that against Djo. Generally replacements should get a day of breathing room.


Yeah that's why I'm not gonna bother with looking at thrawn/djo for d2 lynch
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 16 2012 07:20 GMT
#2049
On November 16 2012 16:18 debears wrote:
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT


Another note, it'd probably be an infinitely better strat to do in reverse: Hapa, the godfather, who checks as town, should lynch me and bathe in glory (and he looked better than me at the time) and if anyone checks him, he comes back town.

I'm just not buying it. I'm me, of course, but like it sounds utterly implausible that I'm scum and me and Hapa talked and he was like "yeah man i think it's a good idea for you to lynch me"
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:23 GMT
#2050
On November 16 2012 16:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 16:18 debears wrote:
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT


Another note, it'd probably be an infinitely better strat to do in reverse: Hapa, the godfather, who checks as town, should lynch me and bathe in glory (and he looked better than me at the time) and if anyone checks him, he comes back town.

I'm just not buying it. I'm me, of course, but like it sounds utterly implausible that I'm scum and me and Hapa talked and he was like "yeah man i think it's a good idea for you to lynch me"


exactly. Also, notice how Hapa was there at last second? Why? Cuz scum probably thought they had the lynch in the bag with 8 votes on Z-Bo.

Who else wasn't there? Thrawn and SnB

*I think Clarity was there in the mayhem*
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 16 2012 07:30 GMT
#2051
I think it'll be worthwhile to sit down and reread Hapa and Crossfire's filter and voting patterns and cases with some fresh eyes tomorrow. I'm gonna get some sleep.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 16 2012 08:21 GMT
#2052
I am just as frustrated with BHs play as anyone else. But the fact is that it is unlikely for him to be scum at this point. Impossible? Perhaps not - but still extremely unlikely. He is claimed jk with no counterclaim and there is no easy way to explain the hapa lynch with him being scum - you have to make no assumptions for a JK BH to vote hapa, you have to make tons to have a scum BH vote hapa.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 09:09 GMT
#2053
I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints.
First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ?
Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK.
Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 09:17 GMT
#2054
It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite.
I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all.

It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 09:46 GMT
#2055
On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote:
I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints.
First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ?
Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK.
Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere.


I agree with the bolded.

On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote:
It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite.
I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all.

It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen.


I agree with the bolded.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 09:47 GMT
#2056
EBWOP Shit, hit post by accident, I agree with the bolded on the first quote.

I agree with the bolded of the first post.

On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote:
It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite.
I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all.

It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen.


This logic I do not understand. Do you think he's scum or do you think he's not confirmed town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 09:49 GMT
#2057
I have issues, okay?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 10:00 GMT
#2058
I meant that people that are opposed to a BH lynch are looking at the circumstances to defend him and I understand that you would like to give him town credit for his Hapa lynch and uncontested JK claim but his play indicates that he is not town and it is possible that he is scum despite the circumstances.
His play makes him likely to be scum.
But I understand that it doesn't seem possible for him to be scum. My point is that's just it, it doesn't seem likely!

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 16 2012 10:01 GMT
#2059
I think I have issues as well ^^
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 16 2012 10:10 GMT
#2060
No one except for blazing has been spamming that he's totally town and totally confirmed.
I made a mistake yesterday when I said "there's no way"
I simply believe he is a really bad lynch today, with the main reason being if he's JK he want scum to either kill him or roleblock him.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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