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On November 07 2012 04:17 Rad wrote:
@alsn
You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why? Because it just fits? I'm still going to see if there's anything inherently contradictory about it. But the fact remains my suspicions against Cheese were similar to what I felt about you at the time. You were extremely unwilling to vote for anyone of Cheese, debears, Clarity. Two of them are now confirmed to be town, and the last has long been suspected of being scum.
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I don't think that you are town but, right now, the ball is in your court...
You and Rad have a big fight to give to survive. We still have some time so I change still change my mind ^^
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Djo, last time I'll ask, why do you want me to claim?
Alsn please answer my questions on the last page.
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Because you gave strong hints that you are blue, which is something that I cannot believe, being blue myself.
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Again with the blue hunting.....
Please try to think of how your reactions would differ if I claimed: VT, Cop, Doctor or Jailkeeper
Do your reactions differ? I ask again, why do you want me to claim?
Consider this, if I am town I gave hints towards both being VT and blue because I do not want to give scum the ammo. Why do you think I emphasized so much on the possibility of me being VT?
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On November 07 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Alsn
How does Djod's claim make you turn 180 and say that it's Rad and me?
Was your analysis of my possible innocence hinging on Djo being scum? I don't see how my post just above this doesn't explain this question, but ok, I'll bite.
It doesn't hinge on you being scum. But assuming I believe his claim he obviously isn't a likely candidate anymore. So assuming his claim is legit(which I don't have much reason to doubt at this point) you and Rad definitely fit the profile. Like I said, I still want to look at other possibilities, and I will. But for now it seems too good to be true that his claim is fake just to frame the two of you.
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On November 07 2012 04:41 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Alsn
How does Djod's claim make you turn 180 and say that it's Rad and me?
Was your analysis of my possible innocence hinging on Djo being scum? I don't see how my post just above this doesn't explain this question, but ok, I'll bite. It doesn't hinge on you being scum. But assuming I believe his claim he obviously isn't a likely candidate anymore. So assuming his claim is legit(which I don't have much reason to doubt at this point) you and Rad definitely fit the profile. Like I said, I still want to look at other possibilities, and I will. But for now it seems too good to be true that his claim is fake just to frame the two of you.
The reason I ask is because you (maybe not as extravagantly as Rad) argued against Djo, calling out parts of his argument as bogus. You also claimed that it's possible he just has mega confirmation bias. Why do any of these two beliefs diminish, even if marv swooped in and told everyone Djo is Jailkeeper.
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Yes, my reactions are going to differ... I'll have strong suspicions against you in any case but I might be able to believe one of them.
I have no fucking idea why you were so reluctant to give any information. And honestly, the only thing I am waiting from your side right now is to find me someone who is more likely to be scum than you.
You are wasting your time while discussing with me...
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On November 07 2012 04:45 Djodref wrote:
Yes, my reactions are going to differ... I'll have strong suspicions against you in any case but I might be able to believe one of them.
I have no fucking idea why you were so reluctant to give any information. And honestly, the only thing I am waiting from your side right now is to find me someone who is more likely to be scum than you.
You are wasting your time while discussing with me...
On November 07 2012 04:17 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still don't see the reason for claiming, but after him saying he'll wait until I claim to show the flavor of his pm I'm inclined to believe him.
Marv told me that blue roles are not allowed to claim with flavor, only with their vanilla role names, like djo did. I figured I would ask in case he made up something.
Please explain better why you claimed, djo. I don't see "because I was being told I was blue hunting" as a reason.
Why do you want me to claim? and I've already said what I asked marv, why don't you read the damn thread. @ ClarityI've claimed because I wanted some leverage to lynch you. Are you a Regular Fapper ? Are you a blue ? or.. Are you scum ? Do not waste time and go scumhunt (if you are town) because I think that your life depends on this right now...
Which one is it?
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ebwop Or do I misunderstand and you told me to scumhunt in both? I'm super confused.
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I told you to go scumhunt in both...
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On November 07 2012 04:26 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:17 Rad wrote:
@alsn
You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why? Because it just fits? I'm still going to see if there's anything inherently contradictory about it. But the fact remains my suspicions against Cheese were similar to what I felt about you at the time. You were extremely unwilling to vote for anyone of Cheese, debears, Clarity. Two of them are now confirmed to be town, and the last has long been suspected of being scum.
@alsn
I wasn't convinced of who I should vote. I didn't want to vote clarity, for the reasons I stated in the first list I made. I wanted to vote debears but no one else did, so I was questioning myself (also I was considering since he's the most active, I shouldn't vote him). I was also reading sylver as scum but there was no lynch potential on him. So I had clarity (who I was leaning town) or ___? Then the cheese incident happened and everything went into chaos. Because of that chaos, I got 4 reads:
1. Cheese town - his reasons for claiming the first time were clear to me, but he didn't keep it under wraps. He kept spitting it out like VTs didn't notice, and then he straight up spelled it out to debears. This looked genuine to me because I understood his thought process.
2. debears town - his interactions with cheese and his agreeing with sylver being suspicious for not voting him when he still had a chance to be lynched, those things made me realize he was town (VT due to the interactions with cheese)
3. clarity probably town - also due to his interactions with cheese, not as strong, I thought he might be blue but I was leaning VT due to him claiming he PM'd the host.
4. da0ud - town, balls of steel to jump on debears, if debears gets lynched there he and cheese are prime suspects for next 2 lynches. If he's scum, he knows debears is town, so voting cheese is much safer because everyone else is already doing it. This is a main reason I find sylver scummy, for not jumping to debears when he had a chance (because if scum, he knows debears is town, and him staying on cheese is much safer).
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Okay. I am not convinced your claim is legitimate. I'll wait for everyone to post at least once so there is no counter claim.
I will not be claiming for now, I really don't see the reason to. If someone other than Djod believes I should claim because it would help town, please let me know.
I'll be going through filters again. I read Rad as town all game so far, because he's come to my defense, but I'm starting to wonder if he's just defending me because I was likely to get lynched, and it would get him townie points.
Be back with more, later.
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On November 07 2012 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:41 Alsn wrote:On November 07 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Alsn
How does Djod's claim make you turn 180 and say that it's Rad and me?
Was your analysis of my possible innocence hinging on Djo being scum? I don't see how my post just above this doesn't explain this question, but ok, I'll bite. It doesn't hinge on you being scum. But assuming I believe his claim he obviously isn't a likely candidate anymore. So assuming his claim is legit(which I don't have much reason to doubt at this point) you and Rad definitely fit the profile. Like I said, I still want to look at other possibilities, and I will. But for now it seems too good to be true that his claim is fake just to frame the two of you. The reason I ask is because you (maybe not as extravagantly as Rad) argued against Djo, calling out parts of his argument as bogus. You also claimed that it's possible he just has mega confirmation bias. Why do any of these two beliefs diminish, even if marv swooped in and told everyone Djo is Jailkeeper. Because eliminating him as possible scum means someone else must be? How hard is that to grasp? It also lead me to actually pay more attention to what he was actually saying, as opposed to just looking at whether or not he was suffering from confirmation bias/was scum trying to stay consistent.
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Yes I understand that if you work under the assumption that Djo is town, he's not scum. That wasn't what I was saying.
@ everyone
Just please make sure you look at Djo's actual arguments, rather than his opinions.
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On November 07 2012 04:51 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:26 Alsn wrote:On November 07 2012 04:17 Rad wrote:
@alsn
You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why? Because it just fits? I'm still going to see if there's anything inherently contradictory about it. But the fact remains my suspicions against Cheese were similar to what I felt about you at the time. You were extremely unwilling to vote for anyone of Cheese, debears, Clarity. Two of them are now confirmed to be town, and the last has long been suspected of being scum. @alsnI wasn't convinced of who I should vote. I didn't want to vote clarity, for the reasons I stated in the first list I made. I wanted to vote debears but no one else did, so I was questioning myself (also I was considering since he's the most active, I shouldn't vote him). I was also reading sylver as scum but there was no lynch potential on him. So I had clarity (who I was leaning town) or ___? Then the cheese incident happened and everything went into chaos. Because of that chaos, I got 4 reads: 1. Cheese town - his reasons for claiming the first time were clear to me, but he didn't keep it under wraps. He kept spitting it out like VTs didn't notice, and then he straight up spelled it out to debears. This looked genuine to me because I understood his thought process.
2. debears town - his interactions with cheese and his agreeing with sylver being suspicious for not voting him when he still had a chance to be lynched, those things made me realize he was town (VT due to the interactions with cheese)
3. clarity probably town - also due to his interactions with cheese, not as strong, I thought he might be blue but I was leaning VT due to him claiming he PM'd the host. 4. da0ud - town, balls of steel to jump on debears, if debears gets lynched there he and cheese are prime suspects for next 2 lynches. If he's scum, he knows debears is town, so voting cheese is much safer because everyone else is already doing it. This is a main reason I find sylver scummy, for not jumping to debears when he had a chance (because if scum, he knows debears is town, and him staying on cheese is much safer). Now that's either just a straight up lie. Or you have a very weird definition of what town should do. You are now claiming that you were unsure of who to vote leading up to the lynch, but in point 2) you say you "realised he was town" yet you still voted for him? That makes no sense. I'm thinking you're just lying through your teeth here. You wanted your vote to sit on debears because you wanted to make it look like you believed the people who were wary of a Cheese lynch since you knew he would flip town.
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On November 07 2012 04:59 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:51 Rad wrote:On November 07 2012 04:26 Alsn wrote:On November 07 2012 04:17 Rad wrote:
@alsn
You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why? Because it just fits? I'm still going to see if there's anything inherently contradictory about it. But the fact remains my suspicions against Cheese were similar to what I felt about you at the time. You were extremely unwilling to vote for anyone of Cheese, debears, Clarity. Two of them are now confirmed to be town, and the last has long been suspected of being scum. @alsnI wasn't convinced of who I should vote. I didn't want to vote clarity, for the reasons I stated in the first list I made. I wanted to vote debears but no one else did, so I was questioning myself (also I was considering since he's the most active, I shouldn't vote him). I was also reading sylver as scum but there was no lynch potential on him. So I had clarity (who I was leaning town) or ___? Then the cheese incident happened and everything went into chaos. Because of that chaos, I got 4 reads: 1. Cheese town - his reasons for claiming the first time were clear to me, but he didn't keep it under wraps. He kept spitting it out like VTs didn't notice, and then he straight up spelled it out to debears. This looked genuine to me because I understood his thought process.
2. debears town - his interactions with cheese and his agreeing with sylver being suspicious for not voting him when he still had a chance to be lynched, those things made me realize he was town (VT due to the interactions with cheese)
3. clarity probably town - also due to his interactions with cheese, not as strong, I thought he might be blue but I was leaning VT due to him claiming he PM'd the host. 4. da0ud - town, balls of steel to jump on debears, if debears gets lynched there he and cheese are prime suspects for next 2 lynches. If he's scum, he knows debears is town, so voting cheese is much safer because everyone else is already doing it. This is a main reason I find sylver scummy, for not jumping to debears when he had a chance (because if scum, he knows debears is town, and him staying on cheese is much safer). Now that's either just a straight up lie. Or you have a very weird definition of what town should do. You are now claiming that you were unsure of who to vote leading up to the lynch, but in point 2) you say you "realised he was town" yet you still voted for him? That makes no sense. I'm thinking you're just lying through your teeth here. You wanted your vote to sit on debears because you wanted to make it look like you believed the people who were wary of a Cheese lynch since you knew he would flip town.
@alsn
He was scum hunting when he had a chance to be lynched. I think that's super townie. He wasn't trying to divert attention from himself possibly getting lynched, he was pointing out scummy behavior at a good time when that information was important. It was important to get sylver's response to that asap because it didn't make sense for him to not jump to his biggest scum tell. I threw the idea out there and he confirmed it was suspicious at that moment when it might be bad for him to point it out. I think scum debears ignores my comment about sylver and possibly revisits it later if sylver is town.
The sylver thing happened after I had my vote on debears, and is the point where it all fit together for me. His interactions with cheese + the sylver comment had me convinced. I didn't switch back to cheese at that point because I still had a higher town read on cheese than debears, due to debears trying to blue hunt which was confusing at that point.
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On November 07 2012 05:09 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:59 Alsn wrote:On November 07 2012 04:51 Rad wrote:On November 07 2012 04:26 Alsn wrote:On November 07 2012 04:17 Rad wrote:
@alsn
You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why? Because it just fits? I'm still going to see if there's anything inherently contradictory about it. But the fact remains my suspicions against Cheese were similar to what I felt about you at the time. You were extremely unwilling to vote for anyone of Cheese, debears, Clarity. Two of them are now confirmed to be town, and the last has long been suspected of being scum. @alsnI wasn't convinced of who I should vote. I didn't want to vote clarity, for the reasons I stated in the first list I made. I wanted to vote debears but no one else did, so I was questioning myself (also I was considering since he's the most active, I shouldn't vote him). I was also reading sylver as scum but there was no lynch potential on him. So I had clarity (who I was leaning town) or ___? Then the cheese incident happened and everything went into chaos. Because of that chaos, I got 4 reads: 1. Cheese town - his reasons for claiming the first time were clear to me, but he didn't keep it under wraps. He kept spitting it out like VTs didn't notice, and then he straight up spelled it out to debears. This looked genuine to me because I understood his thought process.
2. debears town - his interactions with cheese and his agreeing with sylver being suspicious for not voting him when he still had a chance to be lynched, those things made me realize he was town (VT due to the interactions with cheese)
3. clarity probably town - also due to his interactions with cheese, not as strong, I thought he might be blue but I was leaning VT due to him claiming he PM'd the host. 4. da0ud - town, balls of steel to jump on debears, if debears gets lynched there he and cheese are prime suspects for next 2 lynches. If he's scum, he knows debears is town, so voting cheese is much safer because everyone else is already doing it. This is a main reason I find sylver scummy, for not jumping to debears when he had a chance (because if scum, he knows debears is town, and him staying on cheese is much safer). Now that's either just a straight up lie. Or you have a very weird definition of what town should do. You are now claiming that you were unsure of who to vote leading up to the lynch, but in point 2) you say you "realised he was town" yet you still voted for him? That makes no sense. I'm thinking you're just lying through your teeth here. You wanted your vote to sit on debears because you wanted to make it look like you believed the people who were wary of a Cheese lynch since you knew he would flip town. @alsnHe was scum hunting when he had a chance to be lynched. I think that's super townie. He wasn't trying to divert attention from himself possibly getting lynched, he was pointing out scummy behavior at a good time when that information was important. It was important to get sylver's response to that asap because it didn't make sense for him to not jump to his biggest scum tell. I threw the idea out there and he confirmed it was suspicious at that moment when it might be bad for him to point it out. I think scum debears ignores my comment about sylver and possibly revisits it later if sylver is town. The sylver thing happened after I had my vote on debears, and is the point where it all fit together for me. His interactions with cheese + the sylver comment had me convinced. I didn't switch back to cheese at that point because I still had a higher town read on cheese than debears, due to debears trying to blue hunt which was confusing at that point. Now you're deliberately misunderstanding me. You lied because:
You say you didn't want to vote for debears because you thought debears was town. Yet you voted for debears. You voted for someone you at the time claim you thought was town
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@alsn
At the point I voted for debears, I thought cheese was town, and I still had a scum read on debears. I did not think his interactions with cheese alone necessarily confirmed him VT to me. When da0ud came in and voted debears, I saw that as a better candidate than cheese because I still considered him scum. It was the sylver comment that pushed it over the edge and everything made sense to me. Even then, I had a higher town read on cheese due to debear's blue hunting being confusing as hell, so I stuck with my vote.
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@ Rad
You had town reads on both so you voted for the lesser townread?
Why didn't you switch to me or Djo?
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