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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 06 2012 18:52 GMT
#1321
On November 07 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:
More on the interactions between Clarity and Cheese

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 07:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Alsn

I don't think there's a way for me to comment on cheese without screwing myself over. I don't think "staying neutral" is a scum tell on D1, but people clearly think so since it's the lynchpin (lol) of the cases on me.

Don't you see how this post reeks of guiltiness ?

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 07:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that if you were to go on: being neutral and not making points = scum (on day 1) then Cheese would be a good target.
I'm not convinced that it's scummy though, as I think keeping a clear head and taking in as much information as possible is most important day 1. I find there are always people to push information out of others, and I feel that (for me personally) if I push people I tend to get confirmation bias, so I avoid it early.

Please notice how Clarity avoided to push during all this game...

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 07:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
<snip?

Let me rephrase... I don't think that because you're not pushing hard /you're not accusing someone of being scum is being scummy. I actually feel that (WIFOM incoming) scum wants to be active in this format, and gain town favor early, ride that out to a win.

@ Rad

He's being accused of the same things I am, if I argue for/against Cheese it'll all be major WIFOM

If you are town and someone is playing the same way you play and is attacked for the same things that you are attacked. there is no WIFOM. The only thing that you should do is sympathize and defend this guy ![b/]
You're actually quite right in your arguments here. The problem is that at the time, I sympathized with Clarity because I have to admit, if he had agreed with me regarding Cheese it would have made yours and debears' arguments against him stronger.

However, I can definitely see the point where if he was town, he wouldn't worry about what his accusers thought of him. He would worry about what he really thought about my case on Cheese. In the end, he voted Cheese supposedly only on the basis of Cheese claiming. That, if anything, feels pretty scummy to me.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#1322
I'm sorry debears for not protecting you...
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 06 2012 18:57 GMT
#1323
Rad, Clarity, what do you guys think about Djod's claim?
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:57 GMT
#1324
@ sylverfyre

Could you stay for a little while and give us your thoughts on the latest events ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 19:03 GMT
#1325
On November 06 2012 13:35 Djodref wrote:
<skip>

Secondly, my arguments are not stupid. If we assume that we have a town Clarity having a scum read on scum Djodref.
Then, town Clarity is
  • Letting other players putting pressure on scum Djodref, missing the opportunity to assess his innocence to everyone by showing townie behavior
  • Avoiding a golden opportunity to put pressure on scum Djodref
  • The reason that town Clarity gave for this is that he didn't want scum Djodref to have time to prepare his defense against his case, which means that his scumread on me is indeed "stronger and stronger"
  • Town Clarity does not want to post his case against scum Djodref at timing when is sure that scum Djodref cannot prepare his defense
  • Scum Djodref has somehow threatened town Clarity into not posting his case, scum Djodref is proposing himself for the lynch to look town, scum Djodref posts a case against town Clarity and town Clarity reaction to all this is to posts a case against debears, which has turned out to be town. Town Clarity has yet failed to post his case against scum Djodref.
  • Town Clarity doesn't have clear scumreads at the moment




I post my arguments again because I want to promote my lynch target ! Rad had bashed me for these points before...
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
November 06 2012 19:05 GMT
#1326
@alsn

I've been thinking djo was cop since after we had our back and forth for 3 hours after I FoS'd him (thinking he got a red read on clarity, meaning clarity is scum or was framed). This explained his bad arguments on clarity to me (confirmation bias, he thought clarity was scum, then he checked and look he's red! he must have been right all along!), and that's why I told da0ud that i had changed my mind on djo. I don't know what to think about his claim yet, but I'll probably believe it if no one counter-claims.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 19:06 GMT
#1327
And what do you think of Clarity being unable to give me his question to marv in a minute ?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
November 06 2012 19:09 GMT
#1328
@djo

Can you clarify what you're asking?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:11 GMT
#1329
I still don't see the reason for claiming, but after him saying he'll wait until I claim to show the flavor of his pm I'm inclined to believe him.
Marv told me that blue roles are not allowed to claim with flavor, only with their vanilla role names, like djo did. I figured I would ask in case he made up something.

Please explain better why you claimed, djo. I don't see "because I was being told I was blue hunting" as a reason.
Why do you want me to claim? and I've already said what I asked marv, why don't you read the damn thread.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 06 2012 19:12 GMT
#1330
On November 07 2012 03:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Obzy I find strange, because it feels like he was actually MORE active during the night phase than day phase.

You're voting me, but I get the feeling you're listening more to other arguments against me than making any of your own. I'm confused what to think of you until you make a case today. This post feels too much like a subtle "playing the newbie card"


Regarding Night/Day phase - I expected to not be very active due to being at work, but if work is slow for me, I do a lot of reading; and there weren't as many people on so the thread was a lot slower. When the thread is slow enough, it feels like I can take my time to type out my posts without losing a hold of the conversation.

And... I'm having doubts about voting you. Nobody feels suspicious or cares. It feels like CC again in a way, but CC flipped town. I'll remove the vote for now, because I think my reasoning is kind of stupid. I was thinking that if you were scum, the scumteam was Djo/you. If Djo is the jailkeeper [and I don't see any reason to disbelieve this unless another jailkeeper emerges], I have no idea who your scumbuddy is. All of that was based on "if Clarity is town"; comma, "who is left"? - Unless Djo can be shown to be lying or something, I think I'll go back to thinking blindly that Clarity was scum as I had been doing the other day pre-CC lynch. I will try to put together a case for Clarity later today, but if it feels sort of half-assed and empty like my case against you felt then I'm not sure what to think and will have to re-evaluate again.

I wish debears had been able to post his case before dying. ^^;

##Unvote
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 19:13 GMT
#1331
Ok, I've done all this because I don't believe him when he tells us about the PM he has sent to marv.
He was retaining information to prevent "blue-hunting"

Now that I have outed myself, I want him to claim his role and to give us the exact question he has asked to marv.

And the more time it takes, the more suspicious I am (if it's even possible)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:14 GMT
#1332
That's still not a reason, it's just you wanting me to claim.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 06 2012 19:15 GMT
#1333
On November 07 2012 04:12 Obzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 03:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Obzy I find strange, because it feels like he was actually MORE active during the night phase than day phase.

You're voting me, but I get the feeling you're listening more to other arguments against me than making any of your own. I'm confused what to think of you until you make a case today. This post feels too much like a subtle "playing the newbie card"


Regarding Night/Day phase - I expected to not be very active due to being at work, but if work is slow for me, I do a lot of reading; and there weren't as many people on so the thread was a lot slower. When the thread is slow enough, it feels like I can take my time to type out my posts without losing a hold of the conversation.

And... I'm having doubts about voting you. Nobody feels suspicious or cares. It feels like CC again in a way, but CC flipped town. I'll remove the vote for now, because I think my reasoning is kind of stupid. I was thinking that if you were scum, the scumteam was Djo/you. If Djo is the jailkeeper [and I don't see any reason to disbelieve this unless another jailkeeper emerges], I have no idea who your scumbuddy is. All of that was based on "if Clarity is town"; comma, "who is left"? - Unless Djo can be shown to be lying or something, I think I'll go back to thinking blindly that Clarity was scum as I had been doing the other day pre-CC lynch. I will try to put together a case for Clarity later today, but if it feels sort of half-assed and empty like my case against you felt then I'm not sure what to think and will have to re-evaluate again.

I wish debears had been able to post his case before dying. ^^;

##Unvote
Bolded by me for emphasis.

I think that's because scum are most worried right now about figuring out how to discredit Djod's wish to lynch Clarity. Assuming he's correct about Clarity/Rad but at this point it's looking pretty likely.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
November 06 2012 19:17 GMT
#1334
@alsn

You think it's pretty likely, do you? Can you explain why?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:17 GMT
#1335
@ Alsn

How does Djod's claim make you turn 180 and say that it's Rad and me?
Was your analysis of my possible innocence hinging on Djo being scum?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 19:17 GMT
#1336
On November 07 2012 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still don't see the reason for claiming, but after him saying he'll wait until I claim to show the flavor of his pm I'm inclined to believe him.
Marv told me that blue roles are not allowed to claim with flavor, only with their vanilla role names, like djo did. I figured I would ask in case he made up something.

Please explain better why you claimed, djo. I don't see "because I was being told I was blue hunting" as a reason.
Why do you want me to claim? and I've already said what I asked marv, why don't you read the damn thread.


@ Clarity

I've claimed because I wanted some leverage to lynch you.

Are you a Regular Fapper ?
Are you a blue ?
or..
Are you scum ?

Do not waste time and go scumhunt (if you are town) because I think that your life depends on this right now...
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:18 GMT
#1337
WHY do you want me to claim? If you are so certain I am scum, why does it matter what/if I claim?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:19 GMT
#1338
Also, why does being blue give you more leverage than just being unconfirmed? (and by no means are you confirmed)
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 19:24 GMT
#1339
@ Clarity

My claim makes sense and I hope to be considered as confirmed town soon. With this statis, my opinions carry more weight because other town players can fully trust me.

Don't you see how much I have committed to lynch you ? I hope I can move people with my commitment !
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 06 2012 19:25 GMT
#1340
On November 07 2012 04:24 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

My claim makes sense and I hope to be considered as confirmed town soon. With this statis, my opinions carry more weight because other town players can fully trust me.

Don't you see how much I have committed to lynch you ? I hope I can move people with my commitment !


I don't think anyone was questioning your commitment to get me lynched.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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