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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 13:47 GMT
#1061
ebwop: I re-read your post, it makes more sense to me now. You're saying he looked scummy because he "confirmed" me as VT, when you had preconceptions of me being scum. Disregard my previous post.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:06 GMT
#1062
On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.


@ Clarity

What did you think of this post ?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:08 GMT
#1063
I think with the information he had at the time, he believed I was confirmed town.
I'm the one who said "let's not make assumptions" a bit before that though. I am not confirmed town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#1064
Indeed, you are not confirmed town.

What did you think of this post at the moment when he posted it ?

marv, it is against the rules to ask Clarity what he asked you exactly and when and also is it ok for him to answer this question?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 14:20 GMT
#1065
On November 05 2012 17:28 da0ud wrote:
If a lynch for D2 : I am currently running for yourself (see my case) and Clarity (he knew that non-VT would have the VT role).

I did like Clarity's defense overnight, he sounded pretty honest to me. He has addressed calmly all the points against him. Just this slip is too much. He could be blue though, but I would not think he would have been that condescending if blue.

I still keep Debears somewhere there on top of the list, but he has been consistent in driving town forward. Yet there is a lot of fluff, useless posts ("ugh mispost", etc.). If he is scum we should be able to find some clues with more pieces of information on people's alignment in the near future.

I have a gut feeling on Rad. I will try to put a case on him during D2. If i cannot make a proper case with valid arguments against him, I will let you know why I find him to lay more townie then.


@Everyone

Can we stop with the whole fluff nonsense? If you bother to actually read my fucking filter, there are plenty of good posts. This whole fluff argument is lingering wayyyyyyyyyy too long

@Djo

Here was my inital reaction to Clarity's reactions to the CC claim

On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


@Clarity

On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here
1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims
2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims
3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia.

Which makes sense? Point 3
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:26 GMT
#1066
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 14:26 GMT
#1067
@Everyone

One more thing on Sylver:

After reading through his filter, during the claim time, there's one thing really apparent:

he did not care that cheese was getting lynched. He hardly talked about whether we should believe cheese or not. His whole time was spent painting targets on the back of me and clarity
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 14:27 GMT
#1068
On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.


On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Now, you're lieing. That's a claim
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#1069
Well, I didn't want to say it like this but that's it ^^
We're going to avenge you Cheese
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#1070
On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.


Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Now, you're lieing. That's a claim


It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 14:31 GMT
#1071
On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.


On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Now, you're lieing. That's a claim


It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right?


Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here
1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims
2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims
3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia.

If you were blue, you would have shared the info thru marv
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:31 GMT
#1072
Which one of us is your partner in crime Clarity ?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:35 GMT
#1073
On November 05 2012 23:31 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.


On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Now, you're lieing. That's a claim


It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right?


Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here
1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims
2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims
3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia.

If you were blue, you would have shared the info thru marv


I didn't tell town because I didn't want scum to know I knew. This way when scum tries to fake claim VT I can call them out on it. I didn't expect a townie to make a shitty claim, why would he?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 05 2012 14:35 GMT
#1074
On November 05 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote:
Indeed, you are not confirmed town.

What did you think of this post at the moment when he posted it ?

marv, it is against the rules to ask Clarity what he asked you exactly and when and also is it ok for him to answer this question?


You can ask him what and when he asked me, but no copy/pastes/screenshots/exact wordings from me.

This issue is one where the basic idea is that what he asked / what I said is not 'confirmable' by any means.

That's the general idea behind the not posting host PM rule.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:39 GMT
#1075
Guys I've been holding out on doing groceries for an hour or so now. Within 30 minutes I'll have to leave to do them and some chores, and I will be back in 2 ish hours. So if you have any questions you want answered NOW, please ask them.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 14:45 GMT
#1076
@clarity

I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:45 GMT
#1077
On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity

I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research


I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 05 2012 14:50 GMT
#1078
Okay. I'm sorry Djo if you're currently typing a question, you'll have to wait a bit for my answer. Be back soon. I hope to get some input from everyone else.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 05 2012 14:55 GMT
#1079
On November 05 2012 23:26 debears wrote:
@Everyone

One more thing on Sylver:

After reading through his filter, during the claim time, there's one thing really apparent:

he did not care that cheese was getting lynched. He hardly talked about whether we should believe cheese or not. His whole time was spent painting targets on the back of me and clarity


I said what I thought about cheese at the time. His move looked scummy. You trying to squeeze through a VT mass claim very late into the situation (well after anyone else) I found even more scummy.

On November 05 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Ok. Let's try this

Who didn't know about everyone having the role pm?

debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#1080
On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity

I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research


I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea.


Yeah i got the memo. It came late though
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