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On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:@ daoudYou are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this 
Why do you think you would need more protection than anyone else ? First the medic, now the jailkeeper ?
I feel more concerned about being NKed than you.
People are being suspicious about you, which is good for the scum team if you are town.
I was the one to scream out loud not to lynch CC this way. I had the trauma in my first game when we all decided to lynch austin at the last moment out of more or less nothing. Mementoss did try to save him and got NKed right after.
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I have got work to do ! Anyway the thread is mostly dead at this hour...
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On November 05 2012 16:22 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:@ daoudYou are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this Why do you think you would need more protection than anyone else ? First the medic, now the jailkeeper ? I feel more concerned about being NKed than you. People are being suspicious about you, which is good for the scum team if you are town. I was the one to scream out loud not to lynch CC this way. I had the trauma in my first game when we all decided to lynch austin at the last moment out of more or less nothing. Mementoss did try to save him and got NKed right after.
@ daoud
I'm pretty sure that Clarity is part of the scumteam and I'm obviously going to push for a Clarity lynch tomorrow. If I am right, the mafia team would better do to kill me than letting me alive, even if I'm looking suspicious.
Also, publicly requesting medic or jailkeeper is kind of a bluff. I want the mafia team to eat their part of WIFOM ^^
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On November 05 2012 16:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 16:22 da0ud wrote:On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:@ daoudYou are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this Why do you think you would need more protection than anyone else ? First the medic, now the jailkeeper ? I feel more concerned about being NKed than you. People are being suspicious about you, which is good for the scum team if you are town. I was the one to scream out loud not to lynch CC this way. I had the trauma in my first game when we all decided to lynch austin at the last moment out of more or less nothing. Mementoss did try to save him and got NKed right after. @ daoudI'm pretty sure that Clarity is part of the scumteam and I'm obviously going to push for a Clarity lynch tomorrow. If I am right, the mafia team would better do to kill me than letting me alive, even if I'm looking suspicious. Also, publicly requesting medic or jailkeeper is kind of a bluff. I want the mafia team to eat their part of WIFOM ^^
1) Why so ? Everyone is still putting Clarity as a priority for the lynch tomorrow. Everyone knows you want to put a case on him (and maybe..... someone else - still pending). If you get killed it will be even more obvious to go look after him if he is in the scumteam.
2) Your answer doesnt satisfy me too very much : another time you find a way out to telling you were setting a trap. What about the trap if you say it's a trap.....
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EBWOP : another time you find a way out by telling you were setting a trap
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1) Well, Rad doesn't seem convinced that Clarity is the good target for a lynch, debears looks more interested in sylver, sylver might want to lynch debears, Alsn I don't really. So that's Obzy, you and me for a Clarity lynch so I guess that one of us three is going to get killed. By the way, a lot of thing can happen tomorrow, anyone of us could change his mind.
2) Yeah, speculations about night kill and night actions are usually very WIFOMy. I'm just hoping that we are putting them in the same state of confusion right now 
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While you are here, can you change your profile to "South Korea" ?
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@ daoud
It's done. Did you find someone suspicious enough to deserve a lynch, at the exception of clarity ?
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If a lynch for D2 : I am currently running for yourself (see my case) and Clarity (he knew that non-VT would have the VT role).
I did like Clarity's defense overnight, he sounded pretty honest to me. He has addressed calmly all the points against him. Just this slip is too much. He could be blue though, but I would not think he would have been that condescending if blue.
I still keep Debears somewhere there on top of the list, but he has been consistent in driving town forward. Yet there is a lot of fluff, useless posts ("ugh mispost", etc.). If he is scum we should be able to find some clues with more pieces of information on people's alignment in the near future.
I have a gut feeling on Rad. I will try to put a case on him during D2. If i cannot make a proper case with valid arguments against him, I will let you know why I find him to lay more townie then.
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On November 05 2012 17:28 da0ud wrote:
If a lynch for D2 : I am currently running for yourself (see my case) and Clarity (he knew that non-VT would have the VT role).
I did like Clarity's defense overnight, he sounded pretty honest to me. He has addressed calmly all the points against him. Just this slip is too much. He could be blue though, but I would not think he would have been that condescending if blue.
I still keep Debears somewhere there on top of the list, but he has been consistent in driving town forward. Yet there is a lot of fluff, useless posts ("ugh mispost", etc.). If he is scum we should be able to find some clues with more pieces of information on people's alignment in the near future.
I have a gut feeling on Rad. I will try to put a case on him during D2. If i cannot make a proper case with valid arguments against him, I will let you know why I find him to lay more townie then.
I asked marv about the flavor role PMs way before Cheese claimed. The reason I sounded so "condescending" (as you put it) is because I wanted him to shut up and explain why he claimed, and to try and stop others from claiming, but things went to shit fast. The reason I didn't say this earlier was because I had to check with marv if I was allowed to post this.
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On November 05 2012 16:20 Djodref wrote:
@ daoud
Usually the scum team decides which player is going to carry the night actions. Any of them two could carry the KP but they have to choose one of them.
If there is a framer, could the goon carry the framing action ?
If there is a roleblocker, could the goon carry the RB ?
Framer has to do the framing, same with the roleblocker.
In this setup, scum chooses someone to carry out the kill (sometimes it's factional), but a power role (framer/rber) may use his power and kill on the same night.
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@ Clarity
Why did you keep this information for yourself ?
Now that the thread is calmed down, could you explain in detail why you wanted to lynch Cheese ?
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EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ?
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On November 05 2012 22:14 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Why did you keep this information for yourself ?
Now that the thread is calmed down, could you explain in detail why you wanted to lynch Cheese ?
Because even from the perspective of a VT not knowing others know the flavor, his claim made no sense. After you got all the info (when marv posted everyone knew VT flavor) you didn't switch either, with the exact same information I had.
I didn't tell anyone because I figured scum would try what Cheese looked like he was trying. No point in telling scum that town knows they know about VT flavor.
I'd like to know your reasoning for staying on cheese as well.
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On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ?
Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea.
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On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ? Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea.
So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ?
That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ?
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On November 05 2012 22:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ? Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea. So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ? That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ?
Like I said, it didn't occur to me it might be against the rules until I wanted to post it.
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I'm phone posting now so I'm going to give you only a quick answer for my lynch of Cheese. I've already brought up some elements to explain my failure but what decided me was cheese reaction to Alsn pressure and the fact that his ill-timed claim allowed him to say "clarity confirmed VT btw" which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
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On November 05 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:31 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ? Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea. So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ? That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ? Like I said, it didn't occur to me it might be against the rules until I wanted to post it.
How convenient !
Almost as convenient as suddenly finding Cheese scummy when you are in danger of being lynched
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On November 05 2012 22:39 Djodref wrote:
I'm phone posting now so I'm going to give you only a quick answer for my lynch of Cheese. I've already brought up some elements to explain my failure but what decided me was cheese reaction to Alsn pressure and the fact that his ill-timed claim allowed him to say "clarity confirmed VT btw" which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
But... I didn't say that, he did.
Also which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
What?
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