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I'll go read pages 36 to 42. Be back later.
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On November 05 2012 10:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:40 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:23 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. If that is not a big scumtell Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all. You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know. Did you consider me scummier than CC at the point where you voted CC over me before the lynch?
I did. I still do. Calling for a VT-rolecall really bugs me.
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@ Clarity
I'm waiting for your case against me ^^
Bring it on !
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So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
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On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Can you quote the post you're talking about here? He was really late to jump on the cheese vote train. At what point do you think he was manipulating people?
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On November 05 2012 11:53 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 10:40 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:23 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. If that is not a big scumtell Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all. You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know. Did you consider me scummier than CC at the point where you voted CC over me before the lynch? I did. I still do. Calling for a VT-rolecall really bugs me.
So you didn't vote for your top scumread when the voting was close? That doesn't make sense
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On November 05 2012 12:10 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Can you quote the post you're talking about here? He was really late to jump on the cheese vote train. At what point do you think he was manipulating people?
His pseudo-claim:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?
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On November 05 2012 12:50 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:10 Rad wrote:On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Can you quote the post you're talking about here? He was really late to jump on the cheese vote train. At what point do you think he was manipulating people? His pseudo-claim: Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?
You don't think this was a good thing for clarity to say? It didn't make any sense for cheese to have claimed VT at that point. That seemed very anti-town and confusing because he wasn't under pressure. Clarity asked for a reason why he claimed VT. I was also wanting to know that reason. Seems like a smart question, or do you not think so?
He didn't actually vote cheese until cheese threw out the wifom defense (which was after debears, djo, and you had all voted cheese).
On November 05 2012 09:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol what do you want me to say, bro?
You should Know i wouldn't do something this stupid as scum xD
On November 05 2012 09:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Please, I had way more pressure as scum last game.
On November 05 2012 09:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
##unvote
##vote Mr. Cheesecake
Your defense is WIFOM?!
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Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch
On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both.
On November 05 2012 09:25 sylverfyre wrote:
Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC.
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese
So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum?
Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time?
On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for.
During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense
On November 05 2012 09:50 sylverfyre wrote:
Stuff to consider for tomorrow:
Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim.
Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake.
It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me?
On November 05 2012 10:03 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote:
Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC? Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now.
When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why?
Town - I have no fucking idea
Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say
On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has.
Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements
Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal
On November 05 2012 09:02 sylverfyre wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote:@AlsnCould you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing. 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:03 sylverfyre wrote:
oOo Rad, it's a list. Some people think those are scummy to post!
Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it.
5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense. 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that.
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though.
Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now)
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies.
BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry.
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What if we had really tried to push Djodref for the lynch on D1 ?
On November 05 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ debears
I have the case in hand, I will post it if it looks like I'll be lynched, otherwise I will post it tomorrow.
Djo was trying to pressure me into posting my case on him, starts adding that he won't be around for lynchtime, that's fine.
I come back, you and him both have cases on me, and turns out Djo is in South Korea(??) so he's not around for 7 hours before lynchtime.
He then points out that I just don't want him to put up a defense, says he's going to bed, replies to my post 10 minutes later emphasizing that if I post a case on him it just means I don't want him to be there to defend himself. I feel set up, but nothing I can do.
I didn't go from "this" to "that". Notice how I said: "Yes Djo my case was going to be about you"
I have not finished reading the thread, but this is exactly the way I feel about Djo's attitude that lynch.
-> He asked to be put on the list of lynch candidates to prove his innocence.
However this comes at 1.11am his time in Seoul, Korea (for those who still don't know. Btw Djo would be good if you could update your profile to show Korea instead of France, I am french as well though showing HK in my profile, we lost too much time with this confusion).
On November 05 2012 01:11 Djodref wrote:I would like sylver to be considered as a lynch candidate for today as well. I have no problem with me being also a candidate (even if I would have preferred to address the possible cases against me not while waking up) because being mislynched last game allowed me to clearly see who was pushing me for bad reasons. I'm confident that you could recognize my innocence this time  And why nobody has yet commented on the newest slip from sylver ?
This is pretty late for him to ask to be put as a lynch candidate and have time to prepare his defense.
He has even used this trick against Clarity, saying he cannot defend himself on a case that is suppose to come.
-> Moreover, Djo is the one who keeps quoting scum slips here and there subjectively.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:30 sylverfyre wrote:@ObzyI'm casting suspicion with my vote. I find it far more effective than FOS, which can be more difficult to keep track of. Votes, the mod will keep track of for us. I understand he's the most active person. If that was 3 pages of posts with useful content, I'd have no issue. It's like 2 pages of fluff and 1 page of content, and the 1 page of content could be condensed if he didn't jam the "post" button after finishing a sentence, when he fully intends to immediately write another one. @Rad - you were friggin brilliant D2/N2 last game. It's a shame you used your only bullet N1.  @ sylverfyreSo let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire
@ ClarityIt answers your question On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote:
@Djo
What do you think of my points on Sylver? Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 04 2012 02:01 Djodref wrote:I would like to add a point regarding sylver's scumslip. Please take note how he reacted to it. On November 04 2012 01:08 sylverfyre wrote:
/snip
And finally, on your final point:
I'm not saying townies will be more dedicated this game. I'm saying PLAYERS will be more dedicated this game. Why? The game filled up instantly and we don't have anyone from last game who lurked like crazy except for da0ud (who was on vacation, and is presumably more available now. I hope.) We have no Roco69 players this game, even da0ud has posted some content now. I don't think we'll have a day 1 lynch with anything less than 9 votes cast.
Your scumslip is grasping at straws and making up scum tells is really bad for town. Leaving my vote on you.
/snip
He denies the fact that he used the word "townies". In my opinion, a town player would have said "I've used the word townies but I meant players, I've slipped, my bad". Last game, I've accepted my slip and explained why I've slipped. I think it is mafia reaction to deny it like that. He's not denying using the word townies. He's denying the connotation of the word townies. There is no motivation for anyone to outright deny that they used a word, because, well, it's written in stone.On November 04 2012 01:59 debears wrote:
@CC
What do you think of Djo's seriousness attitude this game?
His personality seems different from last game in that regard, where he seemed much more amicable Top scumread atm (Woa, is this last game already?) He's still smileydjo, but seasoned with something I can't recognize this game. He's contradicting his own town play and, previously, trying to nitpick at me for little to no reason. @ CheeseThe word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. On November 04 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 16:27 sylverfyre wrote:
@Obzy - I made a pressure vote. Debears responded to it. We went back and forth at each other for a while. When we started to get into a loop of OMGUS, I was starting to feel like it was a waste of time and space that wasn't bringing a lot to the town, I let the vote drop. Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people.
I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1. @ sylverSo are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ?
-> Finally, Djo as jumped on the case against Cheese as soon as he slept.Not budging from his position. I was wrong saying that Debears sheeped on this one. He votes CC first, fair enough, then Djo voted again.
Here are three of his consecutive posts :
+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 09:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I claimed because the OP isn't indicative of flavor. I assumed Marv made a boo-boo, but apparently not since scum got role PM's too. Debears caught it right away. It also was a moment of fun in this thread xD @ Cheese So, it's ok for you to get the thread derailed for a joke at one hour before the lynch ? Why did you claim, for real ? On November 05 2012 09:03 Djodref wrote:I still want my Clarity lynch by the way On November 05 2012 09:19 Djodref wrote:
WHY DID YOU CLAIM AT THIS MOMENT, CHEESE ?
MOTIVATIONS ?
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese
What happened to you wanting your "Clarity lynch " ?
Conclusion : I think Djo is blending in, attacking people on small things (nitpicking himself while pointing out we should not nitpick in his post), and try to prove his innocence by showing his is able to fight his way against a lynch while bullying people who would actually do it because he won't be here to do so.
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I feel much better about Clarity after his defense. It looked not so very well organized but pretty sincere.
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The lynch of Cheesecake was a stupid mistake, I thought he was scum with Clarity and him claiming VT could allow his partner to claim VT as well and get Clarity off the hook in the process. I should have stayed on Clarity and pushed his lynch, I really regret my decision.
Regarding sylverfyre slips, I'm going to discard them. I don't think they are a good indication of sylverfyre being scum because he does them all the time. I'll try to check his filter last game to see if I can find some matching cases.
Regarding me blending in, I don't think it's true. I've dropped a FoS on Cheese early game that caught a lot of attention and my case on Clarity was not based on nit-picking but on his general behavior.
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On November 05 2012 13:22 debears wrote:Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:25 sylverfyre wrote:
Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC.
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for. During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:50 sylverfyre wrote:
Stuff to consider for tomorrow:
Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim.
Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake. It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:03 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote:
Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC? Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now. When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:02 sylverfyre wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote:@AlsnCould you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing. 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:03 sylverfyre wrote:
oOo Rad, it's a list. Some people think those are scummy to post!
Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it.
5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense. 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that.
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though.
Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now)
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies.
BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry.
No. I didn't have a you/djo scumteam theory. I had a you OR djo scumteam. I didn't think it was both of you.
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Rad, it was the first part "I don't wanna pay for no porn, man" that I was reading into - from the VT PM (which we now know, per mod announcement, we all know)
I'm focusing on his choice of action before mod announcement. His action was basically claiming VT while at the same time trying to question Cheesecake - almost like he's distancing himself from CC (questioning) while at the same time doing the same action (claiming VT).
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Work tomorrow, can't be as active, but I'll be around for daystart.
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On November 05 2012 14:18 sylverfyre wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 13:22 debears wrote:Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:25 sylverfyre wrote:
Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC.
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for. During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:50 sylverfyre wrote:
Stuff to consider for tomorrow:
Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim.
Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake. It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:03 sylverfyre wrote:On November 05 2012 10:02 debears wrote:
Didn't you say you found me more scummy than CC? Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now. When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote:
So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game)
FOS: Clarity
Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off.
FOS Debears.
Strong Town read on Rad.
Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:02 sylverfyre wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote:@AlsnCould you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing. 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:03 sylverfyre wrote:
oOo Rad, it's a list. Some people think those are scummy to post!
Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it.
5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense. 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that.
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though.
Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move. 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 01:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.
I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)
Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now)
Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O
I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)
His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies.
BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game. What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry. No. I didn't have a you/djo scumteam theory. I had a you OR djo scumteam. I didn't think it was both of you.
Eh. you are speaking the truth on the djo/me scumteam part. I thought you did considering how often you mentioned us two acting together
On November 04 2012 07:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Well let's see. There was a 2 person bandwagon on me, awfully early after my first post. Debears and Djod. I find it interesting. By accusing me, he quickly jumped to the defense of debears. Why?
On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense.
Saying we aren't independently finding someone scummy would mean we are collaborating, in other words, a scumteam. Perhaps I just misinterpreted it.
What do you have to say about not voting your top scumread?
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On November 05 2012 07:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
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@ Rad
He's being accused of the same things I am, if I argue for/against Cheese it'll all be major WIFOM
Just a remark, if you accuse someone for doing the same thing that you are doing. It's not WIFOM, it's being a hypocrite and having double standards.
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On November 05 2012 14:27 sylverfyre wrote:
Rad, it was the first part "I don't wanna pay for no porn, man" that I was reading into - from the VT PM (which we now know, per mod announcement, we all know)
I'm focusing on his choice of action before mod announcement. His action was basically claiming VT while at the same time trying to question Cheesecake - almost like he's distancing himself from CC (questioning) while at the same time doing the same action (claiming VT).
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Work tomorrow, can't be as active, but I'll be around for daystart.
Why would he distance himself from cheesecake if he knew cheesecake was town? Wouldn't he only distance himself from cheese if he thought cheese was scum?
I didn't take it as claiming VT. I took it as he already knew what cheese was referencing and was confused that cheese was claiming. He could have realized that as any role, because every role knew that line. He even stated that we "can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior" which in this case is true. The host didn't put the info in the OP and the assumption that Regular Fapper was only known by the Regular Fappers was incorrect.
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@Rad and Djo
What do you think of the mini case I recently made on Sylver for not voting his top scumread?
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@debears
I like it. I'd also like you to go after someone else now because sylver has just stated that he won't be back until day start. We won't get much more out of him until then I'd think.
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On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?
On November 05 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:
To stop any shenannies - every player in the game knows the VT role PM.
On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.
I don't like Clarity early reaction to Cheese claim. Among Rad, debears and Clarity, he is the only one to doubt Cheese's claim before Marv post. I think that Clarity is mafia and had the information beforehand (the information that the VT role PM was dispatched to everybody).
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